Iranian Chill Thread

[Hack-Hook]

More importantly, any military action taken versus imperialist powers during the Rohani years was the IRGC's work and had not been ordered by Rohani but by the Islamic Republic's security establishment, Leadership first and foremost, against the declared position and wishes of the liberal, western-appeasing Rohani administration. All credit goes therefore to the IRGC and Leadership, not to Rohani.

if you believe rouhani is outside the establishment and its security loop

"No to Gaza, no to Lebanon" has been one of the most shouted slogans by supporters and voters of liberal administrations in Iran for the past fifteen years practically.

by protesters who were tired of the situation

Except for reactions that would risk triggering all out war, described by yourself as counter-productive and irrational. And I concur.

except unless there be response to enemy provocation , they become bolder and bolder and bolder

Also as promised, here some assessments as to whether zionist strikes on Syria frequently martyr Iranian forces, and as to whether Iran is somehow wary of news about casualties getting public.

Safe to say that this perfectly echoes my reminder about the scarcity of Iranian fatalities in zionist attacks, as well as bogus Isra"el"i propaganda to the contrary.

i never said the martyrdom is a frequent thing , but before this Israel was careful not to target Iranian , this time they target Iranian, there must be a different scale of response is needed
i don't say attack inside Israel to escalate the situation , they attacked us in Syria , then we must retaliate by attacking them in Syria and i don't care if anybody consider Golan height as part of Israel , in my book its part of Syria and we can respond to them there, they must understand there is a limit to what they are allowed to do

 

[SalarHaqq]

if you believe rouhani is outside the establishment and its security loop

I know he's opposed to Iran's regional policy, like the rest of the liberals, something that's amply documented. If they had their way, Iran wouldn't be fighting zionism in the first place, let alone retaliating against their provocations.

by protesters who were tired of the situation

Protesters backed by reformists, whose agenda the slogan is thus reflecting.

except unless there be response to enemy provocation , they become bolder and bolder and bolder

You confirmed Iran has retaliated in the past. And now it would appear that she did as well, with the rocket barrage from Lebanon.

i never said the martyrdom is a frequent thing

Nor did I. But others have suggested so. It seemed important to me to clear this up.

but before this Israel was careful not to target Iranian , this time they target Iranian, there must be a different scale of response is needed

The zionist modus operandi has not changed so far: as a general rule they refrain from striking Iranian forces, but have done so on very rare occasions (T4, IRGC officers accompanying shahid Jihad Mughniya, and the recent attack).

i don't say attack inside Israel to escalate the situation , they attacked us in Syria , then we must retaliate by attacking them in Syria and i don't care if anybody consider Golan height as part of Israel , in my book its part of Syria and we can respond to them there, they must understand there is a limit to what they are allowed to do

Rockets have just been fired at Occupied Palestine from Lebanon. To me that's as good as Occupied Golan, the aggressor was responded to.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Well, rockets were just fired at Occupied Palestine from Lebanon. To me that's as good as Occupied Golan.

not in response of Israel provocation against Iran , but in response to its savagery in Masjid-Al-Aqsa.

Nothing's changed so far in the zionist modus operandi: as a general rule they refrain from striking Iranian forces, but have done so on very rare occasions (T4, IRGC officers accompanying shahid Jihad Mughniya, and the recent attack).

its more than a year there is no response to Israel attacks. and its not just one attack.
there must be ab answer with equal magnitude otherwise Israel thinks Iranian forces are free game and there is no consequence for its action.
also Netanyahoo also think we are afraid of him.

 

[SalarHaqq]

not in response of Israel provocation against Iran , but in response to its savagery in Masjid-Al-Aqsa.

It served as both and came about as a result of the martyrdom of the IRGC members.

its more than a year there is no response to Israel attacks. and its not just one attack.

What other zionist attacks took place against Iranian forces in Syria over the past year?

there must be ab answer with equal magnitude otherwise Israel thinks Iranian forces are free game and there is no consequence for its action.
also Netanyahoo also think we are afraid of him.

That's not what you were saying before. Your quotes are here to see. What was good then, is good now.

 

[Hack-Hook]

It can serve as both.

we knew what its about why fool ourselves just to feel better

What other zionist attacks took place against Iranian forces in Syria over the past year?

march 2022

Iran Guards general killed in Syria: state media

TEHRAN: A general of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) has been killed while “on a mission” in Syria, Iranian state media reported on Tuesday. “General Abolfazl Alijani, a member of the IRGC’s ground forces who was on a mission in Syria as a military adviser, was martyred on...

www.arabnews.com

the general is not the one i mean , in the article mention about march 2022 that two irgc member died as result of Israel bombing

 

[SalarHaqq]

we knew what its about why fool ourselves just to feel better

A look at the facts will suggest otherwise.

Indeed, zionists have been storming the Al-Aqsa Mosque regularly, yet this was rarely if ever met by rocket fire from Lebanon.

Case in point:

* July 2018 : zionist soldiers storm Masjid ul-Aqsa, no rockets fired from Lebanon.

Israeli forces storm Al-Aqsa Mosque with tear gas, stun grenades

Israeli police close Al-Aqsa’s gates after firing tear gas and stun grenades at worshipers gathered for Friday prayers.

www.aljazeera.com

* August 2019 : zionist settlers trespass into Al-Aqsa, no rockets fired from Lebanon.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/over-1-700-settlers-storm-al-aqsa-mosque/1555098

* January 2020 : zionist police storm Al-Aqsa complex, no rockets fired from Lebanon.

Israeli forces storm Al-Aqsa Mosque

Hundreds of Palestinians perform morning prayers to affirm devotion to Al-Aqsa, reject Israeli incursions - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

* May 2021 : zionist police storm Al-Aqsa, no rockets fired from Lebanon.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...aeli-settlements-ahead-of-jerusalem-day-march

Today's reaction from Lebanon is an exception to the rule. Also its scope greater than anything since the 2006 war, which again does not square with the above listed precedents.

Zionists will be analyzing what differed this time around, and the answer is that Tel Aviv caused the martyrdom of two IRGC forces only days ago.

march 2022

Sudden spike in attacks on zionist elements one or two weeks later across the West Bank, causing the most casualties since the Second Intifada in fact.

Also we're talking about event which took place over a year ago. A single such strike per year causing two casualties. My definition of emboldened would be different.

 

[tsunset]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1643957565074677762

According to Israel’s army radio, 30 rockets were fired from southern Lebanon into Israel. The reports claimed that the Iron Dome intercepted 15 rockets, while several others landed in several locations across northern Israel. Footage shows material damage and smoke rising from several sites. Three Israelis have been reported injured.

No groups have claimed responsibility for the attack. Israeli media outlet Channel 12 claimed that the rocket attacks were coordinated between Hezbollah, Hamas, and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ).

“The barrages toward the north lasted for about half an hour with a break of a few minutes … it is likely that Hezbollah is now waiting to see how Israel will react,” Israeli journalist Tal Levram said via Twitter.

“It is likely that the security establishment will point to … Hamas of Lebanon as being behind the rocket-fire … It is illogical that this took place without Hezbollah’s approval and coordination,” Levram said.

Other Israeli media personalities, including Ynet news’ military correspondent, Yoav Zitun, expressed a similar sentiment.

“The security establishment … will quickly point to Palestinian elements in southern Lebanon and only them as being responsible … [in order] to explain the limited and contained response that will come,” Zitun said.

Israel’s high-level security cabinet will convene on Thursday evening following an assessment of the situation between Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Israeli defense officials.

The attack was reportedly launched in response to Israel’s brutal raids of the Al-Aqsa Mosque over the past two days.

 

[HGV]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1643957234336972803

https://twitter.com/x/status/1643974386498834435

https://twitter.com/x/status/1643958008098050048

 

[HGV]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1644046941423271936

https://twitter.com/x/status/1644024053450022937

 

[tsunset]

 

[HGV]

Iran Oil Snapped Up by Chinese Private Refiners as Market Shifts​

Private refiners in China, the largest crude importer, are snapping up more Iranian oil as competition for supplies from Russia rises.

So-called teapots are prioritizing the flows, with Russian supplies getting more pricey as mainstream buyers such as state-owned Chinese refiners and Indian processors take a greater share, according to analysts and trade data.

In March, China’s imports of Iranian crude and condensate jumped 20% month-on-month to 800,000 barrels a day, and are on track to extend gains in coming months, according to Emma Li, analyst with data intelligence firm Vortexa Ltd.

Most Iranian oil used to go to state-owned refineries but “the private refiners in Shandong especially are now running the show,” said Homayoun Falakshahi, senior crude oil analyst at Kpler, the data and analytics firm.

Iranian oil exports to China rose to almost 1.2 million barrels a day in February, second-highest pace since start of 2017, according to Kpler figures. As it takes at least a month for Iranian exports to reach China, additional cargoes may show up in China’s imports in March and April.

Iranian oil for May arrival is being sold at about $12-a-barrel discount to ICE Brent on a delivered basis, while Russia’s Urals is being offered at no more than $10 below the same benchmark and ESPO at a discount of $6 a barrel discount. Given that disparity, teapots are choosing Iranian oil over Russian supplies, according to traders who participate in the market.

Independent refiners in Shandong, which account for 20% of China’s refining capacity, or about 3.7 million barrels a day, are almost solely relying on sanctioned oil due to its deep discounts. Supplies from Iran, Russia, and Venezuela compete for sales to users in the province.

Chinese majors and Indian refiners are increasingly scrambling for Russian ESPO crude, which used to be the teapots’ long-time favorite grade, according to Vortexa’s Li. That means Iranian crude and condensate will continue to expand market share among the teapots, she said.

Source: Bloomberg

 

[HGV]

Even the Zionists, who are famously desperate to link everyone who sneezes in their direction to Iran in their global and incessant campaign against Iran, are not linking these rockets fired by Palestinians from Lebanon to Iran.

Yet some would have us believe that the firing of those rockets by Palestinians from Lebanon, which did not kill any Zionist settlers, is Iran's official response to Israel directly striking IRGC targets inside Syria, killing 2 Iranian IRGC members. Even if those rockets were fired by Palestinians inside Lebanon at Iran's behest (obviously you have to be a mental patient to believe this), there are two reasons why it still wouldn't suffice as an appropriate response:

(1) Israel directly attacked (and killed) Iranian targets and forces. Only a direct response from Iran itself is a suitable, proportional and appropriate response, not a response from Palestinian proxies, which only shows that Iran lacks the courage/ability to respond directly.

(2) Israel killed 2 Iranians. This supposed Iranian-orchestrated response did not kill any Zionist settlers. So either this is a woefully inadequate response to Israel killing 2 Iranians, or the Zionist regime values settlers' lives much more than the IRI values Iranian lives, since the loss of life by an enemy force is only a redline for them and not for us.

 

[tsunset]

Iran ready to bolster Syrian air defense capabilities

https://thecradle.co/article-view/23322/iran-ready-to-bolster-syrian-air-defense-capabilities

 

[SalarHaqq]

Even the Zionists, who are famously desperate to link everyone who sneezes in their direction to Iran in their global and incessant campaign against Iran, are not linking these rockets fired by Palestinians from Lebanon to Iran.

Desperate to link everything to Iran except when they do not think it's in their interest to respond. In that case denial is their usual reaction.

Yet some would have us believe that the firing of those rockets by Palestinians from Lebanon,

Nobody can fire this many rockets from south Lebanon without HezbOllah's consent.

which did not kill any Zionist settlers, is Iran's official response to Israel directly striking IRGC targets inside Syria, killing 2 Iranian IRGC members.

Casualties can't be predicted.

Even if those rockets were fired by Palestinians inside Lebanon at Iran's behest (obviously you have to be a mental patient to believe this),

No, not really. All one needs is basic knowledge and the ability to put two and two together.

(1) Israel directly attacked (and killed) Iranian targets and forces. Only a direct response from Iran itself is a suitable, proportional and appropriate response, not a response from Palestinian proxies, which only shows that Iran lacks the courage/ability to respond directly.

What it shows is that Iran is the single most courageous government on planet earth, since no other than Iran can muster enough bravery and fortitude to fight both the zionists and the Americans.

Zionists won't be oblivious to the party behind the operation, so who pulled the trigger is secondary. The message got through.

(2) Israel killed 2 Iranians. This supposed Iranian-orchestrated response did not kill any Zionist settlers. So either this is a woefully inadequate response to Israel killing 2 Iranians, or the Zionist regime values settlers' lives much more than the IRI values Iranian lives, since the loss of life by an enemy force is only a redline for them and not for us.

Or the zionist regime has no choice but to always try and resort to disproportionate military action because its population is very limited, it lacks geographic depth and its viability as a colonial settler entity hinges upon its fabricated image of "invincibility", compounded by the political instrumentalization of the Holocaust which creates unusual expectations on the part of its conditioned constituency.

It has strictly nothing to do with valuing lives. No rational decision maker will sacrifice geostrategic gains for the sake of avenging individual casualties. As an example, many hundreds of US occupation troops were killed by advanced Iranian-supplied IED's in Iraq, yet not a single one of these dead Americans prompted any retaliatory attack from Washington. Not a single one.

 

[HGV]

What it shows is that Iran is the single most courageous government on planet earth, since no other than Iran can muster enough bravery and fortitude to fight both the zionists and the Americans.

You mean Palestinians and Lebanese are the bravest, since they are the ones actually firing rockets into Israel (from their own territory). You are, quite disgustingly, taking credit for that (in a pathetic attempt to disguise the IRI's lack of ability/will to respond directly in a suitable manner to acts of aggression that kill its people).

Zionists won't be oblivious to the party behind the operation, so who pulled the trigger is secondary. The message got through.

Apparently they are not getting the message, since they are growing bolder with their more frequent attacks, not the opposite.

Or the zionist regime has no choice but to always try and resort to disproportionate military action because its population is very limited, it lacks geographic depth and its viability as a colonial settler entity hinges upon its fabricated image of "invincibility", compounded by the political instrumentalization of the Holocaust which creates unusual expectations on the part of its conditioned constituency.

If a state lacks depth and must maintain an image of invincibility (an old trope), then it should be more cautious, not less. The reality is more simple: it is stronger and more willing to attack than its enemies, and has levers to pull that its enemies do not.

It has strictly nothing to do with valuing lives. No rational decision maker will sacrifice geostrategic gains for the sake of avenging individual casualties. As an example, many hundreds of US occupation troops were killed by advanced Iranian-supplied IED's in Iraq, yet not a single one of these dead Americans prompted any retaliatory attack from Washington. Not a single one.

Iranian lives are not pawns in your geopolitical games. If Iran cannot retaliate against acts of aggression that kill its people without sacrificing its gains then one has to question the strength of these gains.

Using America as an example to show how your/IRI's view of Iranian lives is not warped was a very stupid idea. I would rather not elaborate, it doesn't make for pleasant reading.