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This Turk vs Persian is so silly..

DNA wise Turks are us (Persians+Azaris) with a slightly higher greek DNA in them.. they just happen to speak Turkish..some Persian also speak "non Farsi" language ..They are called "Azaris".. I am one of them "Farsi +Azari" mixed ..
SO: We are all part of same tribe of "Aryans" who came and settled in Iranian Plateau and fanned around into present Tukiyeh and Indus valley all they way to Baharat and got mixed with indigenous population there..

We Persians living on Iranian Plateau were the original seed that made it all happen..If you travel to Turkey you will see how close we are related..:undecided::undecided:
You know what? I would be much more pro-Iran if I haven't met your compatriots on this forum. Atatürk is the founder of Turkey and a national hero. Your people openly insult him and are shocked when I tell them to eat shit.

Many of you have Turkish blood but you say nothing when these people are openly racist against Turks.
 
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Please do not insult Turkey in this section and then ask for moderation when people come on here to defend it. I'll close the thread the next time and wait till people post responsibly.
This is also the chill thread, yet we have full blown discussions on war....
 
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Please do not insult Turkey in this section and then ask for moderation when people come on here to defend it. I'll close the thread the next time and wait till people post responsibly.
This is also the chill thread, yet we have full blown discussions on war....
Can you explain who insulted who first, and in which section?

Does responsibility for that lie with Turks who come to another country's section and insult them, or with the Iranians in their own section responding to unprovoked attacks for Turks in the Iranian section?

If a bunch of Iranians started opening insulting and troll threads in the Turkish section, spamming insults in their section, inviting a response from the Turkish members, I really doubt you would call on the Turks there not to insult Iranians.
 
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At this point maybe Iranian officials are right when they say their air defense systems are best in the world. Russia is struggling to protect their bases, maybe they should order some Iranian SHORADs (Mersad, Zubin, tactical Sayyad, 9 dey, etc)

This latest attack was when a navy ship and Kilo sub were docked. Supposedly Storm Shadow cruise missiles supplied by UK were used.
 
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At this point maybe Iranian officials are right when they say their air defense systems are best in the world. Russia is struggling to protect their bases, maybe they should order some Iranian SHORADs (Mersad, Zubin, tactical Sayyad, 9 dey, etc)

This latest attack was when a navy ship and Kilo sub were docked. Supposedly Storm Shadow cruise missiles supplied by UK were used.
Its so hard to counter drone swarm.
No one can completely stop drone swarm attack now.
 
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At this point maybe Iranian officials are right when they say their air defense systems are best in the world. Russia is struggling to protect their bases, maybe they should order some Iranian SHORADs (Mersad, Zubin, tactical Sayyad, 9 dey, etc)

This latest attack was when a navy ship and Kilo sub were docked. Supposedly Storm Shadow cruise missiles supplied by UK were used.
Who said that Iranian airdefense system is best is the world you joker?
 
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One of best airdefenses in the world is correct
He is undermining Russian assets by indirectly mocking them calling Iranian airdefense best in the world. Actually mocking Iran and Russia at same time.

This American joker lives in this section like a worm. Many of us don't have much time to recognize elements like this. But fortunately, they spill the beans at right moment.
 
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Its so hard to counter drone swarm.
No one can completely stop drone swarm attack now.


Such an explosion cannot be from Ukrainian kamikaze drones with payloads less than 20kg.

It was likely storm shadows + space based ISR that waited for Russian rotation of radiation exposure (radar’s on/off).

With Space based ISR you can locate AESA (and other actively transmitting radars) based on the radiation they emit when they are on. Then by mapping this over the course of months you can understand when they are on/off and even the schedule changes of shifts of crews. It’s a very powerful tool. Patarames has talked about throughout the course of the war. More importantly you can see gaps in coverage and exploit them similar to what Iran did in the Saudi Amarco attack.

If NATO uploaded latest telemetry mapping data then the cruise missile could hug the ground much closer than usual making it harder to detect.

Russian has formidable radars, air defense systems, and trained crews. The issue is understanding why these attacks are getting thru. What blind spots exist or is ECM based or is space based ISR.
 
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I think the real question is why Iran decided to threaten Azerbaijan,

Naturally I thought they wanted to intimidate Azerbaijan but recently I've heard rumors that the real intention was to pull Armenia away from the west which sounds plausible but also foolish.

Why would you want to anger Turkey which you have much bigger economic ties with and a real strategic actor in your region in hopes that Pashinyan government would stop sucking American cock.




As for Hakan Fidan's statement. It doesn't even need to be said. Iran or any other country interferes in Azerbaijan, we will go to war. Everybody knows that. I've said the same thing many times on this forum.

I think he just wanted to reassure Azerbaijan.


At this point maybe Iranian officials are right when they say their air defense systems are best in the world. Russia is struggling to protect their bases, maybe they should order some Iranian SHORADs (Mersad, Zubin, tactical Sayyad, 9 dey, etc)

This latest attack was when a navy ship and Kilo sub were docked. Supposedly Storm Shadow cruise missiles supplied by UK were used.


I don't believe that the solution for Russia lies in buying SHORAD systems from Iran. The problem is simply that Russia is a vast country, and potentially every point could be targeted by these drones. There are too many points to defend in the largest country on Earth in terms of area. SHORAD systems have a range of a few kilometers against very low-flying objects, making them effective within that range, but also revealing their weakness. When you consider how many other crucial areas need protection

– units on the frontlines, logistics and headquarters in the hinterland, important bridges, railway stations, and inland routes, key buildings in major cities up to St. Petersburg, vital gathering points, barracks, fuel depots, and strategic industries, oil facilities, refineries, and much more –

it becomes clear that there are likely thousands of points that need simultaneous defense, and they are geographically dispersed. This presents a significant challenge. We must assume that Russia doesn't always have all its systems available everywhere at all times. Therefore, Ukraine needs to determine where there are currently no systems available. Theoretically, Ukraine has access to the entire intelligence and reconnaissance apparatus of NATO, so they are not lacking in information. It's just a matter of striking at the right time and place.

There are also other psychological factors at play, such as the readiness of local air defense units. I don't know how they are organized in Russia, but I suspect that it's a challenge to identify a target only 30 seconds or a minute before it arrives and then react, especially if your anti-aircraft gun hasn't detected anything for months or even never before. Routine and habit can set in. Perhaps false alarms are generated so often that they start to lose their effectiveness.

There are four points that, in my opinion, clearly pose a problem, as found in military literature in this case:

1. Stratagem 23: Creating Something from Nothing:
- This includes generating constant false alarms, leading to decreased alertness or long periods of inactivity among troops.
- It involves creating illusions for tactical advantage or altering the enemy's disposition.
- Note: This stratagem is used to combat the enemy and is typically applied in situations where direct confrontation or open hostilities should be avoided or when a subtler approach is necessary. Geographically and logistically, Russia faces challenges, making the next stratagem related to geography a strategy of victory while, on the front, it is used because Ukraine is too weak to win.

2. Stratagem 22: Making a Noise in the East, Striking in the West:
- This tactic involves diverting the enemy's attention through feigned attacks, compelling them to allocate resources where they are not needed, leaving other areas vulnerable.
- Note: This is a strategy of victory and is usually applied during a conflict or confrontation to secure victory or strengthen one's position. It is used in various situations, such as in this case during a protracted conflict to test and weaken the enemy's endurance.

3. Information:
- The enemy has very good information in this area and knows their adversary well. Sun Tzu said, "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles." Ukraine clearly knows its enemy well in this regard.

4. Sun Tzu's Quote: "(...) When he seeks to concentrate, prepare against him; where he is strong, avoid him. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected."

Possible Solutions:

Drawing from Sun Tzu:

Quote: "The greatest victory is that which requires no battle. The next best is to win without shedding blood. The next is to defeat the enemy in battle, but without great slaughter. The worst policy is to besiege walled cities."

1. Thwarting the Enemy's Plans:
- Meticulous Surveillance:
Invest more resources in radar systems, intelligence gathering, information acquisition, and in-depth analysis of the enemy's behavior, observing their actions and forcing them to expose themselves.
- Counter-Deception: Use counter-deception tactics to confuse enemy strategies, including providing false information.
- Resource Allocation: Russia must allocate more resources to install SHORAD systems in sufficient quantities across the country.

2. Preventing Enemy Unity:
- Neutralizing Threats:
Prevent the deployment and use of Ukrainian cruise missiles and drones through proactive measures.
- Disrupting Supply Routes: Disrupt the supply routes of these weapons to limit their effectiveness.

Conclusion:
While the potential import of Iranian SHORAD systems may play a part in the overall solution, it's evident that a comprehensive strategy is needed. Ukraine's actions can be likened to persistent body blows in a boxing match or low kicks in Muay Thai – they may not knock out the opponent, but over time, they accumulate damage and cause significant pain. To effectively counter this evolving threat, Russia must invest in surveillance, counter-deception, intelligence utilization, and enhance the responsiveness and detection capabilities of its air defense units. Success in this conflict demands adaptability and a dynamic approach that considers the evolving nature of warfare and the characteristics of the adversary.
 
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Can you explain who insulted who first, and in which section?

Does responsibility for that lie with Turks who come to another country's section and insult them, or with the Iranians in their own section responding to unprovoked attacks for Turks in the Iranian section?

If a bunch of Iranians started opening insulting and troll threads in the Turkish section, spamming insults in their section, inviting a response from the Turkish members, I really doubt you would call on the Turks there not to insult Iranians.
It doesn't matter who insulted whom 'first' (kindergarten anyone?). Don't insult others. PERIOD. Every time some troll visits and throws a turd--try not to pick it up. They intend that you pick it up--which you habitually do. Now wash your hands and start over. @waz: the trolls also need to be managed as this forum is understandably a target. The trolls are often organized and moderators need to focus on fora like ours that get targeted in an organized way.
 
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It doesn't matter who insulted whom 'first' (kindergarten anyone?). Don't insult others. PERIOD. Every time some troll visits and throws a turd--try not to pick it up. They intend that you pick it up--which you habitually do. Now wash your hands and start over. @waz: the trolls also need to be managed as this forum is understandably a target. The trolls are often organized and moderators need to focus on fora like ours that get targeted in an organized way.

Some Possible facts about Spammer, Trolls and Insulters: Psychological Approach

Best Practise Strategy is: Ignoring and taking your time when giving an answear

1. Personality Type and Background of Trolls:


It's important to note that trolls, spammers, or harassers can have diverse backgrounds and personality types. However, there are some common characteristics that indicate the motivation behind their behavior:

- Narcissism: Some trolls exhibit narcissistic traits and seek admiration and attention, even when they receive it in the form of negative reactions.

- Lack of Empathy: Trolls may have difficulty empathizing with others and understanding the impact of their words on others.

- Frustration or Boredom: Some trolls engage in trolling out of boredom or frustration, using the internet as an outlet for their negative emotions.

- Anonymity and Distance: The anonymity of the internet allows perpetrators to feel more detached from the consequences of their actions.


2. Child Psychology and Possible Causes:

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- Lack of Attention or Validation: A lack of positive attention or validation during childhood could lead to a need for attention that manifests later in trolling behavior.

- Social Isolation: Some trolls may have experienced social isolation during childhood, leading them to seek social interactions on the internet, even if they are negative.

3. Emotional States of Trolls:

Trolls can experience a range of emotional states, including:

- Frustration: Frustration over personal problems or failures can amplify trolling behavior.

- Boredom: Boredom can lead individuals to engage in negative activities on the internet.

- Sense of Power: Some trolls may feel a sense of power or control when provoking or insulting others.


4. Why Ignoring Can Be Effective:

Ignoring trolls can be effective for various reasons:

- Attention Withdrawal:
Trolls often seek attention and reactions. When they do not receive these, it can reduce their motivation.

- De-escalation: Ignoring prevents conflicts from escalating as it prevents the perpetrator from continuing to write provocative comments.

- Reduction of Reward: Trolls often respond positively to the negative emotions they trigger in others. When these reactions are absent, the reward for their behavior can diminish.


Conclusion:
The person we are dealing with can be a frustrated Narcistic person wich had problems in his childhood and actually today. All in all in his personal life he can be considered as a lonley Looser.
 
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Did Iran tell Azerbaijan to invite Zionists on its soil?
Did Iran tell Azeribajian to deface Persian era monuments?
Did Iran tell Azeribajian to undergo “Ukrainian-Zation” and erase history to their motherland (Iran)?
Did Iran tell tell them to elect a Facist who says south Azeribajan belongs to them, when Iran pre-dates the artificial state of Azeribajian by 3000+ years?
Did Iran tell Azerbaijan to allow Israel to fly a drone to Iran’s Natanz nuclear plant years ago?

Iran and Azerbaijan coincidentally had no major problems since 1980’s till maybe 10 years ago. The rise of fake pan-Turkic nationalism and a budding relationship with an apartheid state is only a recent phenomenon.
They just conveniently ignore the numerous statements about their territorial ambitions against Iran. It's not even impressive gaslighting.
 
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