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Lets say that he made good money and was rich.... so rich people dont have any motives to murder??
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Lets say that he made good money and was rich.... so rich people dont have any motives to murder??
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یادتون هست خطر برنامه هسته ای عربستان رو می گفتم؟ برنامه هسته ای عربستان روز به روز داره پیشرفته تر می شه تا جایی که صدای اسرائیل رو هم درآورده و اونهام احساس خطر کردن. چینی ها کمک بسیاری دارن به برنامه هسته ای و موشکی عربستان می کنند و تکنولوژی رو به اونها انتقال می دن. در کنارش اوکراین هم هست. دقیقاً همون کاری که ما به کمک چینی ها، روس ها و اوکراینی ها 10 تا 30 سال پیش کردیم، منتهی بدون اینکه زیر تحریم باشیم رو عربستان داره بدون دردسر و حتی با پشتیبانی آمریکا انجام می ده. گویا همین عربستان زپرتی الان 3 تا پایگاه موشکی زیرزمینی به لطف چینی ها داره
امارات هم به کمک کره جنوبی و چین و روسیه داره برنامه هسته ای اش رو گسترش می ده. با اسرائیل هم که روابطش رو عادی کرده
اگر نتونیم به زودی به موتور توربوفن سنگین دست پیدا کنیم یا یک خرید خیلی خوب از روسیه بکنیم (که شانس اش واقعاً کم هست)، بازدارندگی خودمون در برابر ترکیه و عربستان رو به خاطر نداشتن نیروی هوایی کارآمد از دست می دیم و عملاً به حاشیه رونده می شیم و باید فقط نظاره گر رویدادهای آینده منطقه باشیم
امارات هم به کمک کره جنوبی و چین و روسیه داره برنامه هسته ای اش رو گسترش می ده. با اسرائیل هم که روابطش رو عادی کرده
اگر نتونیم به زودی به موتور توربوفن سنگین دست پیدا کنیم یا یک خرید خیلی خوب از روسیه بکنیم (که شانس اش واقعاً کم هست)، بازدارندگی خودمون در برابر ترکیه و عربستان رو به خاطر نداشتن نیروی هوایی کارآمد از دست می دیم و عملاً به حاشیه رونده می شیم و باید فقط نظاره گر رویدادهای آینده منطقه باشیم
Undercover ISIS Cell Apprehended By Syrian, Iranian Forces In Deir Ezzor
On September 5, Syrian and Iranian forces apprehended and undercovered ISIS cell in Deir Ezzor’s southern countryside, according to the...
southfront.org
On September 5, Syrian and Iranian forces apprehended and undercovered ISIS cell in Deir Ezzor’s southern countryside, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR).
The cell’s members were wearing Iranian military uniforms and driving a vehicle with pro-Iranian slogans in the city of al-Mayadin when they were arrested by a joint force of the Syrian Military Intelligence Directorate, the National Defense Forces and the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC).
The joint force arrested five members of the cell after stymieing them in al-Mayadin’s market. The terrorists didn’t show any resistance.
According to the SOHR, the same terrorists entered al-Mayadin before to buy supplies for their comrades in the Homs desert.
The Homs desert, which lays between Deir Ezzor and Homs, became a stronghold for ISIS cells in central Syria in the last few years. Hundreds of terrorists are reportedly taking shelter there.
Over the last few months, ISIS terrorists launched dozens of attacks on government forces in Homs, Deir Ezzor, Hama and Raqqa from their hideouts in the Homs desert. The Syrian Arab Army and the Russian Aerospace Forces are now taking measures to contain the group’s threat.
Just murdering someone, and joining a riot, murdering a Basij (politically motivated murder) is not the same thing yeah?
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If we were to believe propaganda spread by the exiled Iranian opposition and their western-/zionist-/Saudi-controlled media, as well as by "human rights groups", every person sentenced for whatever crime in Iran is potentially innocent.
We shall leave aside the fact that coming from monarchists in particular, outcry about an Iranian wrestler being sentenced to death for murder has a sad irony to it, given how they are quick to forget the case of jahān pahlevān Takhti, one of the most famous javānmard champions in modern Iranian wrestling history, whom the shah's own sister Ashraf Pahlavi is said to have had killed for lowly reasons.
Let's also leave aside arguments about the person's possible motives in relation to his wealth, since:
- Professional wrestlers don't really earn that much to begin with. They're usually in the middle income layers of society. It's not as if they were premier league football stars with indecent salaries.
- A person can have literally dozens if not hundreds of possible motivations for killing another person. I don't understand how people can question this without even bothering to at least have a look at official Iranian press releases first.
- Being relatively wealthy (and a sportsman too) does not necessarily preclude a person from committing murder. The story of American former football professional Orenthal Simpson provides an illustration.
In the fantasmagoric and hollywoodesque universe of oppositionists, "evil evil mullahs" and "villain Basijis" roaming the streets of Iranian cities, towns and villages every so often proceed to randomly pick out some ordinary citizen, grab them by the collar, invent accusations out of the blue and for no reason against them and finally have them imprisoned or executed.
Of course nobody within the brainwashed audience of anti-IR media, ever asks themselves how a state acting as irrationally and outlandishly as this can possibly survive more than 40 years amidst the most hostile environment.
Hardly anyone among the opposition asks themselves what sense it would make for the IR to deliberately punish random people completely disconnected from what they are accused of, whilst in place of perfect innocents, it could as well sanction a wide range of identified opponents albeit under exaggerated accusations - in this way, it would at least get rid of some opponents rather than alienating more people.
And so it is that anti-IR oppositionists might end up defending bona fide criminals, or even ISIS terrorists.
Here's an example from a few years ago, when human rights and foreign-based opposition media set out to campaigning in favor of a Kurdish Iranian citizen of Sunni obedience, who according to them had been imprisoned "solely" for "peaceful religious activities"... Also were they claiming that the prisoner was awaiting execution after being handed an "unjust" death sentence by the Iranian judicary.
The shameless collection of utter lies, incidentally designed to feed the hollow takfiri narrative according to which the Islamic Republic is supposedly hostile to Sunni Muslims due to "sectarianist" prejudice and therefore "persecutes" or "wages war" on the latter, instantly crumbled when it appeared that the person in question was not only freed from prison, but also that he turned out to have then joined ISIS in Iraq, where he enthusiastically participated in public beheadings of Iraqi Muslims in the (Sunni-majority) city of Mosul, using a knife, with ISIS publicizing the event in videos published online.
It also turned out that the so-called "harmless religious activist jailed by the Islamic Republic" which opposition groups pressured to have released - in fact a dangerous ISIS-sympathizer who after his release from prison ended up joining the terrorist grouplet and committing war crimes, was eliminated by the forces of the Resistance during their battles in Iraq, as confirmed by ISIS-supporting "social media" accounts themselves.
Moral of the story: never trust the anti-IR media hype, since said sources are known for producing disinformation, bogus claims and fabricated stories on a massive scale. Always conduct independent research first, prior to suspecting foul play or jumping to baseless conclusions.
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Some additional details to take into account concerning the Navid Afkari affair:
* I'm not sure where the information that the murder victim was a Basij member stems from, but according to Iranian media reports, he was an employee of the Shiraz water company.
Pictures of the mid-aged man can be seen in the reports below: he does not look like a member of Basij security forces (he can be seen clean shaven and wearing a suit much like an average office employee).
* This affair seems unrelated to recent politically / economically driven riots.
Not only did the murder occur at night, outside of any demonstration or public gathering, the accused also claimed in his confession that he was motivated by a personal dispute with the victim.
The Iranian media reports below don't expound on the specifics of the dispute. I believe they should, as this would contribute to neutralizing any baseless accusation from Iran's enemies.
* Even if the victim was a security guard as foreign media claim he was (his physical profile does not seem to have corresponded to such a job), he was still employed by an urban management company, not tasked with confronting protesters or rioters.
* Hundreds were temporarily arrested during the 2018 riots in which Afkari is said to have participated. According to what criteria would the Islamic Republic pick him over others for punisment? Foreign and opposition media provide no explanation.
If the Islamic Republic sentenced an innocent man as foreign media suggest, with the express purpose of deterring the population from protesting or rioting, why would he then be accused of a crime completely unrelated to the riots?
Why would authorities not rather choose someone who effectively resorted to violence against security forces, of which there were quite a few, and for which there exists film material that authorities could use to bring their point accross?
* This is while a token number of individuals were actually sentenced to capital punishment for crimes committed during the 2018 riots.
And Iranian law enforcement and judiciary back then had no problem declaring them guilty of just that - why would they, in Navid Afkari's case, prefer to invent an accusation unrelated to the events? Here again, foreign and opposition media provide no explanation and don't even evoke questions like these.
* Foreign and opposition media once again are staying silent on the fact that the execution of any death sentence against the accused hinges upon the decision of the victim's close relatives, whom by Iranian law are granted the power to pardon, since this is a case of ghesās.
It is therefore puzzling why anti-IR media are concentrating criticism on the Islamic Republic, when in fact the murder victim's family plays an equal role in any decision to carry out or not capital punishment.
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* I'm not sure where the information that the murder victim was a Basij member stems from, but according to Iranian media reports, he was an employee of the Shiraz water company.
Pictures of the mid-aged man can be seen in the reports below: he does not look like a member of Basij security forces (he can be seen clean shaven and wearing a suit much like an average office employee).
* This affair seems unrelated to recent politically / economically driven riots.
Not only did the murder occur at night, outside of any demonstration or public gathering, the accused also claimed in his confession that he was motivated by a personal dispute with the victim.
The Iranian media reports below don't expound on the specifics of the dispute. I believe they should, as this would contribute to neutralizing any baseless accusation from Iran's enemies.
* Even if the victim was a security guard as foreign media claim he was (his physical profile does not seem to have corresponded to such a job), he was still employed by an urban management company, not tasked with confronting protesters or rioters.
* Hundreds were temporarily arrested during the 2018 riots in which Afkari is said to have participated. According to what criteria would the Islamic Republic pick him over others for punisment? Foreign and opposition media provide no explanation.
If the Islamic Republic sentenced an innocent man as foreign media suggest, with the express purpose of deterring the population from protesting or rioting, why would he then be accused of a crime completely unrelated to the riots?
Why would authorities not rather choose someone who effectively resorted to violence against security forces, of which there were quite a few, and for which there exists film material that authorities could use to bring their point accross?
* This is while a token number of individuals were actually sentenced to capital punishment for crimes committed during the 2018 riots.
And Iranian law enforcement and judiciary back then had no problem declaring them guilty of just that - why would they, in Navid Afkari's case, prefer to invent an accusation unrelated to the events? Here again, foreign and opposition media provide no explanation and don't even evoke questions like these.
* Foreign and opposition media once again are staying silent on the fact that the execution of any death sentence against the accused hinges upon the decision of the victim's close relatives, whom by Iranian law are granted the power to pardon, since this is a case of ghesās.
It is therefore puzzling why anti-IR media are concentrating criticism on the Islamic Republic, when in fact the murder victim's family plays an equal role in any decision to carry out or not capital punishment.
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Some additional details to take into account concerning the Navid Afkari affair:
* I'm not sure where the information that the murder victim was a Basij member stems from, but according to Iranian media reports, he was an employee of the Shiraz water company.
Pictures of the mid-aged man can be seen in the reports below: he does not look like a member of Basij security forces (he can be seen clean shaven and wearing a suit much like an average office employee).
* This affair seems unrelated to recent politically / economically driven riots.
Not only did the murder occur at night, outside of any demonstration or public gathering, the accused also claimed in his confession that he was motivated by a personal dispute with the victim.
The Iranian media reports below don't expound on the specifics of the dispute. I believe they should, as this would contribute to neutralizing any baseless accusation from Iran's enemies.
* Even if the victim was a security guard as foreign media claim he was (his physical profile does not seem to have corresponded to such a job), he was still employed by an urban management company, not tasked with confronting protesters or rioters.
* Hundreds were temporarily arrested during the 2018 riots in which Afkari is said to have participated. According to what criteria would the Islamic Republic pick him over others for punisment? Foreign and opposition media provide no explanation.
If the Islamic Republic sentenced an innocent man as foreign media suggest, with the express purpose of deterring the population from protesting or rioting, why would he then be accused of a crime completely unrelated to the riots?
Why would authorities not rather choose someone who effectively resorted to violence against security forces, of which there were quite a few, and for which there exists film material that authorities could use to bring their point accross?
* This is while a token number of individuals were actually sentenced to capital punishment for crimes committed during the 2018 riots.
And Iranian law enforcement and judiciary back then had no problem declaring them guilty of just that - why would they, in Navid Afkari's case, prefer to invent an accusation unrelated to the events? Here again, foreign and opposition media provide no explanation and don't even evoke questions like these.
* Foreign and opposition media once again are staying silent on the fact that the execution of any death sentence against the accused hinges upon the decision of the victim's close relatives, whom by Iranian law are granted the power to pardon, since this is a case of ghesās.
It is therefore puzzling why anti-IR media are concentrating criticism on the Islamic Republic, when in fact the murder victim's family plays an equal role in any decision to carry out or not capital punishment.
آپارات - سرویس اشتراک ویدیو
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So now you see why I did not buy the story that a wrestling champion with a good job just randomly joined a riot and murdered a Basij?
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What wrestling championship did he win and what was his good job?
You do know that even world champion wrestlers dont make amazing mony, right?
You do know that even world champion wrestlers dont make amazing mony, right?
I dont watch wrestling so I dont know anything about that. I know he was working as an instructor and taekwondo instructors make good money for Iranian standards (my brother is a taekwondo instructor), so it is fair to assume that a wrestling champion who works as an instructor makes at least as much.
People who hate the government and Basij are usually the poor and those who suffer right? It just didn't make sense to me that a wrestling champion with a decent job should risk everything he has, by joining a riot and murdering a Basij to gain nothing and lose everything. If it was a poor unemployed random man, then I wouldn't even think twice about it.
I dont get why asking questions is met with so much toxicity in this section of PDF.
Anyways, turns out he didn't actually kill a Basij, so my instinct was right.
People who hate the government and Basij are usually the poor and those who suffer right? It just didn't make sense to me that a wrestling champion with a decent job should risk everything he has, by joining a riot and murdering a Basij to gain nothing and lose everything. If it was a poor unemployed random man, then I wouldn't even think twice about it.
I dont get why asking questions is met with so much toxicity in this section of PDF.
Anyways, turns out he didn't actually kill a Basij, so my instinct was right.
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Not gonna waste more time replying
Not that you had anything to contribute with anyway
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A wrestler or wrestling instructor's income level is usually in the mid-/lower mid-range.
No. Among the people who hate the Basij and the Islamic Republic in general, most hail from the wealthy and upper middle classes, not from the poor at all. In fact the IR's support base is mostly popular (i. e. less materially fortunate), consisting of the mostazafin, who always formed the backbone of the Islamic Revolution.
Just recently, the reformists who represent the political faction most distant and critical towards Basij and IRGC, were setting up working groups to determine how to increase the number of their low income voters in working class neighborhoods of Tehran.
This should actally be no secret to any Iran observer.
The exact same is the case in Venezuela, where the divide between supporters and enemies of the Bolivarian Revolution and government runs exactly along the economic wealth line, with the minority rich being loyal almost exclusively to the US-backed opposition (currently led by Guaido) and popular classes overwhelmingly to president Maduro.
A similar picture could already be witnessed earlier in places like Cuba (where the divide between working class and peasants vs exiled Miami bourgeoisie exemplified by the Baccardi owners, overlaps with the pro-castrist / anti-castrist divide).
By this logic, a person with a "decent job" would never commit a crime (unless that person is not only wealthy but enjoying exceptionally powerful connections too, allowing him to be above the law). However, this isn't systematically true.
While most people who directly engage in stark acts of political violence do not enjoy a very elevated social-economic standing indeed, there are exceptions to the rule (like doctors reportedly involved in bombing attempts in the UK, for instance : http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/03/world/europe/03iht-britain.5.6476485.html
So one cannot draw definitive conclusions based on such a consideration. This, and the fact that wrestlers are not really high income citizens to start with.
Your assumption was correct, not the reasoning leading up to that assumption. It's not that being a wrestler makes it impossible for someone to kill a Basij member (and such a hypothetical act itself may have different reasons, not all of which must necessarily be political); it's just that anti-IR media probably added this wrong detail into their usual stream of misinformation in accordance with their own, foreign-backed agenda. No more and no less.
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so it wasn't an airstrike yet you want to build second one in "the heart of the mountains" for production, 
our officials are dum or they think we are.
and why do you say thing like that so that every kid with satellite imagery can see it and go look for it ???
can mountains protect us from sabotage ??? dum dum dum
Iran says it has started to build a hall for production of advanced centrifuges in "the heart of the mountains" around Natanz
www.nytimes.com
our officials are dum or they think we are.and why do you say thing like that so that every kid with satellite imagery can see it and go look for it ???
can mountains protect us from sabotage ??? dum dum dum
Iran says it has started to build a hall for production of advanced centrifuges in "the heart of the mountains" around Natanz
Iran Building New Production Hall for Centrifuges in Mountains Near Natanz
Iran has begun to build a hall in "the heart of the mountains" near its Natanz nuclear site for making advanced centrifuges, Iran's nuclear chief said on Tuesday, aiming to replace a production hall at the facility hit by fire in July.
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