Iranian border guards on the Pakistan border.

[بلندر]

Brave soldiers guarding the border.
Source : farsnews.com

Last picture looks fearsome why no fence ?

18 year old Solder ... the main weapon of our brave Generals .... :facepalm

 

[bozorgmehr]

It's criminal how these young conscripts armed witth AK-47s, sitting in the back of pick up trucks are thrown in front of well trained organized terrorist groups whose only activity is to lie in wait and pounce to kill as many Iranians as possible.

It's really criminal on the part of Iranian governments to do that. After 30 years, they've learned nothing. They have absolutely zero regard for their lives and safety. It makes me ashamed as an Iranian....

 

[thrilainmanila]

the Iranian army is garbage, they have nothing, they have more money then Pakistan, but even the paramilitary service of Pakistan are better equipped.

 

[bozorgmehr]

the Iranian army is garbage, they have nothing, they have more money then Pakistan, but even the paramilitary service of Pakistan are better equipped.

Spoken like a genuine idiot.... Iran has enough to protect itself and deter other states from attacking it and in fact bringing the only superpower of the world to the negotiation table.

For whatever reason they're refusing to fortify this border with Pakistan... That's more of a political decision than a military one genius..

 

[Imran Khan]

lets start joint patrol and save the border of both side from terrorists and smugglers . pakistan did not have any enmity or any problem from iran .

 

[Madali]

Guys, stop being childish. What's the length of the border between the two countries? Do you think it's 50 meters?

It's 909 kms!

How far is that? Imagine Tehran to Shiraz which takes you 9 hours. How much equipment and best weapons can you send for 900 kms? It will be our full budget.

Here some other random distances that are between major cities and not borders!. Driving from Paris to Frankfurt is 571 km. Istanbul and Sofia is 502. Hamburg to Prague is 443. Dammam to Bahrain is 95.

In total, Iran has a lot of land borders. Iran has 7 land borders with a total of 5440 km!

 

[bozorgmehr]

Guys, stop being childish. What's the length of the border between the two countries? Do you think it's 50 meters?

It's 909 kms!

How far is that? Imagine Tehran to Shiraz which takes you 9 hours. How much equipment and best weapons can you send for 900 kms? It will be our full budget.

Here some other random distances that are between major cities and not borders!. Driving from Paris to Frankfurt is 571 km. Istanbul and Sofia is 502. Hamburg to Prague is 443. Dammam to Bahrain is 95.

In total, Iran has a lot of land borders. Iran has 7 land borders with a total of 5440 km!

I'm sorry Madali jan. But your argument just doesn't hold water. The Chinese built a 8,851 km long wall in mountainous terrain by carving and putting one stone over another thousands of years ago. You wanna tell me we can't build one with today's technology, at least in the flat areas?

The first and foremost responsibility of any government is to ensure the security of its citizen, especially against external threat. If government is consistently sending lightly trained young conscripts sitting in the back of pickup trucks to areas where everybody knows it's only a question time before another deadly attack takes place, then I call that criminally negligent.

I really don't understand your point! Shall we just do nothing because the border is 909 km long? Shall we stop protecting our country because it's just too hard?!

 

[Godman]

I'm sorry Madali jan. But your argument just doesn't hold water. The Chinese built a 8,851 km long wall in mountainous terrain by carving and putting one stone over another thousands of years ago. You wanna tell me we can't build one with today's technology, at least in the flat areas?

The first and foremost responsibility of any government is to ensure the security of its citizen, especially against external threat. If government is consistently sending lightly trained young conscripts sitting in the back of pickup trucks to areas where everybody knows it's only a question time before another deadly attack takes place, then I call that criminally negligent.

I really don't understand your point! Shall we just do nothing because the border is 909 km long? Shall we stop protecting our country because it's just too hard?!

Chinese didn't have to pay for thousands to millions of forced workers and slaves, in the modern world you are forced to pay and feed the workers
And the wall is useless if the smugglers and terrorists use tunnels

The best thing to do now is create a chain small border guard bases near the border and a few IRGC and army bases

Use UAVs and UGVs to constantly patrol the border, manned patrols need to be given armoured vehicles. Iran should try to get some of BPM-97 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

On our side we have Frontier Corps;

 

[bozorgmehr]

Chinese didn't have to pay for thousands to millions of forced workers and slaves, in the modern world you are forced to pay and feed the workers
And the wall is useless if the smugglers and terrorists use tunnels

The best thing to do now is create a chain small border guard bases near the border and a few IRGC and army bases

Use UAVs and UGVs to constantly patrol the border, manned patrols need to be given armoured vehicles. Iran should try to get some of BPM-97 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well if we can't afford to build a rather low-tech wall, requiring only internal manpower, in our own country, we might as well close shop and hand over the keys!

And yes, they might burrow under the wall. Let them endanger their lives tunneling under the wall. That's still better than them strolling right through the border. And there are things that can be done about that too, like seismic and sound detectors that can pick up repetitive underground activities.

Also they wouldn't be able to drive through the tunnel with their vehicles to commit their crimes and then get away with them. And even if the vehicles could somehow be arranged on the other side of the border, it would be much harder for them to locate their tunnels and get away, with Iranian forces in their hot pursuit.

And I'm not suggesting a wall is the end-all and be-all of border security. The border will obviously need to be properly manned and operated. But the wall will make it just that much harder for these scum to stroll right through, set up their trap at their leisure, kill a few people and then run back to their safe haven in Pakistan, while the Iranian authorities are twiddling their thumbs. After 30 years of going through this, there's simply no excuse anymore.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Like this one?

It's disappointing to see the lack of armoured vehicles, these pickup trucks might as well be made of paper.

 

[Dominance]

Chinese didn't have to pay for thousands to millions of forced workers and slaves, in the modern world you are forced to pay and feed the workers
And the wall is useless if the smugglers and terrorists use tunnels

The best thing to do now is create a chain small border guard bases near the border and a few IRGC and army bases

Use UAVs and UGVs to constantly patrol the border, manned patrols need to be given armoured vehicles. Iran should try to get some of BPM-97 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The main problem is the mindset of commanders not the equipments.

 

[Madali]

I'm sorry Madali jan. But your argument just doesn't hold water. The Chinese built a 8,851 km long wall in mountainous terrain by carving and putting one stone over another thousands of years ago. You wanna tell me we can't build one with today's technology, at least in the flat areas?

The first and foremost responsibility of any government is to ensure the security of its citizen, especially against external threat. If government is consistently sending lightly trained young conscripts sitting in the back of pickup trucks to areas where everybody knows it's only a question time before another deadly attack takes place, then I call that criminally negligent.

I really don't understand your point! Shall we just do nothing because the border is 909 km long? Shall we stop protecting our country because it's just too hard?!

Okay, let me try to clarify my point more for you & for others in this thread.

First thing we need to understand is that in any country or situation (business, personal, etc), resources are limited, whether they are financial, human, time, etc. A top manager or leader needs to decide which expenditure of certain resources brings the highest benefit. The average person looks at his surrounding and wonders, "Why can't they fix this road, why can't they build a mosque, why can't they pay us higher, why can't they reduce tax, why can't they save the environment" and so on. But any expense means you are spending less on something else. The question is, which would be the best use of the resources?

Fortifying a 900+ km in mountainous terrain is extremely resource-heavy. Let's use the USA-Mexican barrier as an example. For almost the same amount of length, the project cost USA $2.4 billion! And while it brought down illegal immigration, it didn't make it zero. In 2010, there was still almost 463,000 illegals entering!

Now let's look at the problems we face with the border. Each countries border situation is different. We don't face a immigration problem (Berlin Wall made to prevent people going out, Mexican-USA border made to prevent people coming in). Pakistanis aren't illegally coming to Iran to find work nor are we having a problem of Iranians going to Pakistan to find work. Nor are we at war, like Koreans with their DMZ.

Our situation is two-folded,
1) Illegal Trade - Smuggling, Drugs, etc
2) Terrorist actions by Sunni Extremists from Pakistan

And I will propose that both situations have better solutions than pouring money into border control, which I personally believe never address the actual problem. Israel's wall doesn't address the actual problem of their situation with Gaza. Berlin Wall didn't address the shitty situation East Germany was in. And so on.

So, let's start with Illegal Trade

I knew Baluchis who would travel between the two countries. There are special drivers who know the mountainous terrain with their eyes closed. And I mean, literally with their eyes closed, because these guys drive at night, with their lights switched off. They do this so they won't be seen by patrols. Can you imagine how hard it is to even notice a car in 900 km border that is driving in the dark at high speed without any lights? This is why with USA's high budget, personnel (21,000 men and women!), and technology, they still have around half a million people entering per year.

Instead of spending millions on the border, use the money this way instead:
1) More campaigns in Iran to discourage people from using drugs
2) More camps for people who want to quit
3) Coordinate with Pakistani & Afghani government to see if it is possible to buy the raw drugs (such as opium) to use in legal medicines (such as codeine). Let farmers benefit more than the legal trade than the illegal one
4) Study if possible to legalize certain illegal drugs, and then discouraging traders to import it legally
5) Regarding smuggling of goods, look at better streamlining the customs procedures. Tariffs should be heavily reduced on goods between Pakistan & Iran to make smuggling pointless.

Now, let's talk about Sunni Extremists. Again, I find the money that could be used for border control can be used for the root of the problem.

Keep in mind our main objective should not be how to prevent Sunni extremists coming in to harm us, but how to reduce the tension in the first place!

The money can be used for:
1) Make the Iranian Sunni Borders an example of prosperity! Let the people from the other side of the borders see that a few kms away, their neighbors are living well under the Islamic Republic. Any of them from the Pakistani border who sits with his friend from Iranian border and talks about "Shia Iran", the Iranian Sunni will compare their two lives, and realize that he is much better off, and won't take his talks seriously.
2) Have lots of Sunni-Shia conferences and gatherings between the two countries. Let the two sides sit and talk and have events together. The best way to fight ignorance is through building relationships.
3) Spend money in Pakistan border cities. Build Iranian hospitals and clinics. Make wells for villages. Send free Iranian made farm machines. The extremist preacher who insults Iran at the friday mosque in a village, one day will be sick, and he will go to the Iranian hospital in the village, and this alone will make him look like a fool. And don't go to Pakistan to build Husseiniyas. The last thing a Sunni wants to see is Iranian government building a Hosseiniya in their city.

If we attack roots of the problems, we solve the problem. Walls have never solved any problem.

 

[Xenophon]

Look noob

 

[haman10]

On our side we have Frontier Corps;

on your side you've got nothing .none . all of your soldiers are indian border or afghanistan border

besides ,they have been very efficient in preventing terrorists in building a safe heaven for themselves inside pakistan .

Saudi soldier :

^ I shit better performance than all these incompetent niggaz .

meanwhile our normal conscript soldiers are more than capable of keeping Iran safe .