Iranian Air Defense Systems

[TrMhMt]

Is there any success firing test videos? At least a demonstration video.?

 

[Rukarl]

This system is clearly hot launched guys, I don't see any benefit of it being cold launch anyway. Cold launch is something which provides no added benefit but instead makes it more expensive, heavy and increases probability of something going wrong. Hope to see this bad boy used on naval vessels in future.

Is there any success firing test videos? At least a demonstration video.?

This exhibition just showed its components for the first time, no video of testing so far. However, the president ordered them to do a test on a ballistic missile as that is one of its purposes, so maybe the first test they will show will be against a missile. The system is still not fully ready for delivery, one more year till then, by then, vids of variety of tests will be shown.

 

[Army research]

This system is purely indigenous, heck it does not even look like any other system.



Isreal does not have long range air defence developed by themselves, their anti ballistic missile shield are made with help from US. As for England, what long range air ground based defence do they have? Don't they rely on the patriot?

Sir I was just saying that it does not matter even if does look like any other system when I said this I was not addressing respectable members but the hundreds of trolls sitting out there sir

 

[rayanBis123456789]

The best part of it is no one know what this system is capable of , westerns had access to S300 and studied it but no one knows anything about Bavar.



As I said many of these countries have enjoyed technical helps from outside ...
Italy, France and England have Aster AD and now are cooperating on Aster 30 Block ....

Western had access to old S300 familly ... not the newer PMU-1 and certainly not PMU-2 since none of them had it !!! first point.

Second point, there is now way GREECE will allow israel to traine with their PMU-1, no way greece defense minister STRONGLY denbied no country in the world allow intrusion in their vital defense systems.

If the PMU-2 was that easy to defeat netanyahu wouldn't have make 12 trips to moscou, only about s300 issue !!!

 

[raptor22]

Western had access to old S300 familly ... not the newer PMU-1 and certainly not PMU-2 since none of them had it !!! first point.

Second point, there is now way GREECE will allow israel to traine with their PMU-1, no way greece defense minister STRONGLY denbied no country in the world allow intrusion in their vital defense systems.

If the PMU-2 was that easy to defeat netanyahu wouldn't have make 12 trips to moscou, only about s300 issue !!!

Israel trained against Russian-made air defense system in Greece: sources

 

[rayanBis123456789]

Israel trained against Russian-made air defense system in Greece: sources

GUY what sources? israelnews ? JPOST , have u noticed that each time iran, or another coutnry in ME get powerful and reliable system, 2 minutes later israelis news, rush to dismiss this as "nothing burger" or a "surmontable challenge" do u know of a single country that let another, test its own system (and share with turkey in israHELLI case)?

Greece minsister strongly denied, and franckly he doesn't need. that the first point.

Second, Greece had the old version, iran has the newest and yet even then, it got a "serious upgrading" according TO RUSSIAN's SOURCES

Get serious guy don't buy ZIONISTS bulshit, and even if they trained with the PMU-2, then what ? does it mean they automatically defeat it ? do you think russia 's air space is defensless BECAUSE ISRAHELL trained with greece ?

Israel's so vaunted "HIGHT TECH" was even not able to shoot down a slow flying drone a month ago. Their so called "invisible" corvette was disasble by an old and cheap AS missils, their "nothing can stop that" merkava 3/4 were stoped 125 times, 52 severly damaged, and 5 100% destroyed. their arrow 3 system, they boast about failled, to hit a 60's scud type missile WITH PREDETERMINED TRAJECTORY on 2 occasion

And the list go on, their so called "advanced weapons" proved effective only against palestinians childrens or against arabs bedwins (soldiers IN NAME ONLY....)

Do u think beacause israel defeated arabs armies, it mean anything in this WORLD ? there is nothing easier to defeat than arabs in this world !!

C'mon GUY i

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/breaking...wn-for-first-time.445324/page-6#ixzz4IGp8gJsx

 

[AmirPatriot]

This system is clearly hot launched guys, I don't see any benefit of it being cold launch anyway. Cold launch is something which provides no added benefit but instead makes it more expensive, heavy and increases probability of something going wrong. Hope to see this bad boy used on naval vessels in future.




This exhibition just showed its components for the first time, no video of testing so far. However, the president ordered them to do a test on a ballistic missile as that is one of its purposes, so maybe the first test they will show will be against a missile. The system is still not fully ready for delivery, one more year till then, by then, vids of variety of tests will be shown.

Cold launch is often used for large missiles because it enables the rocket motor to be fired outside of the canister. This means the canister doesn't have to withstand the rocket motor, therefore reducing the cost of the materials. Furthermore, in the event of a failure, the missile would be expelled out of the canister already, thus increasing safety.

 

[Rukarl]

Cold launch is often used for large missiles because it enables the rocket motor to be fired outside of the canister. This means the canister doesn't have to withstand the rocket motor, therefore reducing the cost of the materials. Furthermore, in the event of a failure, the missile would be expelled out of the canister already, thus increasing safety.

A hot launched system points to a more advanced system. Given more advanced technology, missile can be become smaller. For example, look at the size of sayyad 3 missile it has a range of around 200km but it is relatively small. This point that Iran is highly advanced in the SAM engineering.

In terms of safety, if you look at s-300 fails, you can see the missile go out fail to ignite and fall back on the truck, usually they got lucky it did not explode. If that happens in a hard launch system, the damage is less, however if an explosion is involved it does not matter if it hot or cold launch, either way tremendous damage will be done, thus the safety point is quite moot. Furthermore, given that there is a higher probability of something going wrong in a cold launch (as it relies on 2 mechanism ejection+ignition) system, it actually means a cold launch is less safe, in theory.

Cold launch is only an advantage if the nation is not advanced enough to make a hard launch system. Because as you said, they may not have the technology for smaller missile or metallurgy of the canisters etc.

GUY what sources? israelnews ? JPOST , have u noticed that each time iran, or another coutnry in ME get powerful and reliable system, 2 minutes later israelis news, rush to dismiss this as "nothing burger" or a "surmontable challenge" do u know of a single country that let another, test its own system (and share with turkey in israHELLI case)?

Greece minsister strongly denied, and franckly he doesn't need. that the first point.

Second, Greece had the old version, iran has the newest and yet even then, it got a "serious upgrading" according TO RUSSIAN's SOURCES

Get serious guy don't buy ZIONISTS bulshit, and even if they trained with the PMU-2, then what ? does it mean they automatically defeat it ? do you think russia 's air space is defensless BECAUSE ISRAHELL trained with greece ?

Israel's so vaunted "HIGHT TECH" was even not able to shoot down a slow flying drone a month ago. Their so called "invisible" corvette was disasble by an old and cheap AS missils, their "nothing can stop that" merkava 3/4 were stoped 125 times, 52 severly damaged, and 5 100% destroyed. their arrow 3 system, they boast about failled, to hit a 60's scud type missile WITH PREDETERMINED TRAJECTORY on 2 occasion

And the list go on, their so called "advanced weapons" proved effective only against palestinians childrens or against arabs bedwins (soldiers IN NAME ONLY....)

Do u think beacause israel defeated arabs armies, it mean anything in this WORLD ? there is nothing easier to defeat than arabs in this world !!

C'mon GUY i

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/breaking...wn-for-first-time.445324/page-6#ixzz4IGp8gJsx

The zionists are too puny to threaten Iranian airspace. These air defence development are being made to nullify potential airstrike from regional usa forces from the carriers etc and not against zionists. Iranian air defence even back in 2010 could have easily dealt with the zionists. They are simply too weak to threaten Iran.

 

[Rukarl]

@Henry ME 95

It seems our other comments was deleted. Anyway I asked you to present me with sources and evidence that anyone claims Bavar is based on s-300 and you resorted to some mainstream media sources. Forgetting the fact mainstream media are hardly worthy sources, you posted sources that were 2-3 years old. Do I need to remind you that Bavar has only been revealed 2-3 days ago? One of the sources you used was RT i.e the Russia today. Since you seem to use that source, here is a Russia today on Bavar from 3 days ago after Bavar was revealed:

Bavar-373 is the country’s first air defense system, manufactured solely by local specialists. It was commissioned back in 2010 following a suspended deal with Moscow on the delivery of similar S-300 defense systems due to nuclear sanctions adopted by the UN over Iran’s nuclear program.

“We did not intend to make an Iranian version of the S-300 – we wanted to build an Iranian system, and we built it,” Iran’s Minister of Defense Hossein Dehghan said on Saturday as quoted by The Times of Israel. The weapon was first time successfully test-fired in August of 2014.

https://www.rt.com/news/356677-iran-defense-air-bavar/

As you can see, nowhere do they make the claim Bavar and S-300 are related in terms of hardware. Reason is quite clear, as I even showed you in 2 pages ago, these two system are completely different in terms of just about everything, only thing they have in common is both are long range air defence systems. You failed to back up your claims using even an iota of hard evidence, and how can you? Claiming Bavar and s-300 are related is like saying Pak-FA and F-22 are related, you would be right to some extent as both are 5th gen fighter planes, however in terms of hardware they are completely designed independently.

I think people like you are confused. You are confused because Iran had said Iran will build an Iranian S-300 alternative and you mistook that for Iran saying it will build a S-300. Those whom speak Persian know right from the beginning they were saying they are building a purely indigenous system and it will have nothing to do with s-300.

I hope this clears things up for you.

 

[AmirPatriot]

Given more advanced technology, missile can be become smaller

That would be because it would be using a more energetic fuel, therefore making it burn with more power and still damage the canister. This would limit the canister to a small number of launches before having to be replaced.

As for launch failures, there are a number of scenarios which might happen. For example, the rocket may tend to go wildly off course due to a storage or production error. In a cold launch system, the rocket would fly away from the TEL instead of into it, increasing safety. Or, if a hot launch missile fails to ignite altogether, it is stuck inside the canister - there, canister useless. But if it is ejected out of the canister, it may fall, as you said, on a truck or on the ground. The truck would still be usable.

There are other contingencies, but its late and I can't think of any.

 

[Rukarl]

As for launch failures, there are a number of scenarios which might happen. For example, the rocket may tend to go wildly off course due to a storage or production error. In a cold launch system, the rocket would fly away from the TEL instead of into it, increasing safety. Or, if a hot launch missile fails to ignite altogether, it is stuck inside the canister - there, canister useless. But if it is ejected out of the canister, it may fall, as you said, on a truck or on the ground. The truck would still be usable.

There are other contingencies, but its late and I can't think of any.

We can create as much hypothetical scenario we like, but nothing will change the fact there is more probability of going wrong in a cold launch system vs hot launch, this is pure common sense as cold launch involves a whole extra stage during firing. The missile firing going off course is not something that is really relevant in this discussion as that is discussing what happens after the missile ignites, whereas the problem we see is that in cold launch system, the missile is expelled before ignition and it fails to ignite, it falls back and damages the launching systems. Problems with after ignition effect both hard and cold launches.

You said the truck would still be usable during the scenario, however it, along with missile itself and what ever else are in the surrounding are still damaged, such as the other canisters which means potential damage to other missiles. One can see that from below video:

Whereas if a hard launched missile fails to ignite, nothing of sort will happen.

Either way, there is zero evidence of advantage of cold launch, negatives such as more cost etc exist however.

 

[Army research]

Why don't Pakistan and Iran have good defence relations ?? Now that sanctions lifted Pakistan can offer cheap fighters eg jf 17 , weapons guided bombs tot apcs etc and Iran can offer sam etc they have common problems eg Baluchistan and pipeline on between and cultural links and for Iran this is second largest shia population (if that interests them) then why ? Is it Indian meddling ( just asking) because look in past we helped each other before and after 79 and pak was first to recognize Iran new gov in 79 Pakistan can help them in their aviation missilr heck even nuclear programs then WHY

 

[SOHEIL]

Why don't Pakistan and Iran have good defence relations ?? Now that sanctions lifted Pakistan can offer cheap fighters eg jf 17 , weapons guided bombs tot apcs etc and Iran can offer sam etc they have common problems eg Baluchistan and pipeline on between and cultural links and for Iran this is second largest shia population (if that interests them) then why ? Is it Indian meddling ( just asking) because look in past we helped each other before and after 79 and pak was first to recognize Iran new gov in 79 Pakistan can help them in their aviation missilr heck even nuclear programs then WHY

We need customers not suppliers !

But interested to know , what exactly pakistan can offer ?

 

[Army research]

We need customers not suppliers !

But interested to know , what exactly pakistan can offer ?

We can buy sams ships etc from you you can buy manpads ANZA upgraded g3m and g3s sniper , AL Khalid tank which is equivalent to t90 m1a1 , APC TALHA AND SAAD , JF17 fighter as cheap planes to support superior sukhoi Iran will buy mushak propeller trainer and K8 jet trainer , guided munitions etc POF EYE ibms and and loads of other stuff while Pakistan can buy sams and other indigenous Iran stuff if they pass test and provide financing etc

 

[SOHEIL]

manpads

Iran is one of the leading countries in manpads !

AL Khalid tank

APC TALHA AND SAAD

JF17 fighter as cheap planes to support superior sukhoi Iran will buy

We are developing a homemade fighter jet & currently we demonstrated jet engine technology !

mushak propeller trainer and K8 jet trainer