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On an interview aired by IRIB2, defense minister stated that by order of president Bavar 373 will be tested on a ballistic missile, possibly by this Persian year end.
Ballistic missile? So they are so confident of this system that they are going to test it on a ballistic missile? Can you post the source here please. Doesn't matter if it is in Persian. Thanks!
 
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Bavar-373 (Iranian domestic made S-300)
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Note more info & discussion on this system is within the Iranian section of the forum

Pictures pls. So its not Iran made but rather assembled it Whats the specs?
This variant is made domestically within Iran (from a reverse engineered Belarusian S-300 launcher) not an assembly with foreign parts.
the iranians just received the russian S-300 a few weeks earlier
 
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excellent acheivement, even if it is a Russian import and just modified by Iranians (which i feel is not the case) it is still a great acheivement. I hope they can add two more missiles to the carrier and make it a 4 missile vehicle.
will really appreciate some radar and missile specs if possible
 
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After 7 years almost of developpment iran keept his promise and developped a vertical SAM system, they told would be equal to S-300 PMU-1.

With this system + the PMU-2 "upgraded" a super super killer what about israel dream to deprive iran of its nuclear program?

Comments please
Well done Iran.:tup:
Can we have the specs as well along with radar & tracking info.
 
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Hi Guys, I though I translate the following analysis from Mashregh for those who can't read Farsi:

http://www.mashreghnews.ir/fa/news/621265/باور-ایرانی-یک-سر-و-گردن-بالاتر-از-اس-300-روسی-کشف-سه-اتفاق-مهم-در-شاهکار-متخصصان-دفاعی-کشور-عکس

Iranian Bavar: Three significant breakthroughs:

After a long wait, finally Bavar 373 system was revealed on Aug 21st, 2016 (which is the "Defense Industry Day") in the presence of Iran's President. It took almost 10 years for this project that started with Supreme Leaders's command to come to turn into a reliable and proud product.

Where did Bavar 373 come form?

According to general Esmaili, Iran's head of air defense division, in the very first days that there were talks bout purchase of S300 and our troops were still being trained in Russia, Supreme leader commanded us to start a national project for air defense. Since then, this was entered into the formal plan and conceptual design started in defense industry, Khatam al anbia base and some of universities.

He also noted that 373 is one of Prophent Mohammed's titles in "Abjad" and Bavar means belief.

4 systems were revealed

The following four systems were revealed during the ceremony and as usual, no technical details were publicized.

One of the systems was the command and control post which is responsible for receipt and processing all the data and information from sensors and radars, choosing the targets and firing the missiles:

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Othere system was Meraj 4 fire control radar that according to existing news, is a phased array radar. This radar is responsible for supplying Bavar system with target related data like speed, altitude and direction and helps the system with choosing and locking on the target.

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There was a smaller radar shown in the back ground of one of the pictures:

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That radar looks like Bavar tracking radar of which pictures leaked during Larijani's (Iran parliament head) visit to Iran's defense products exhibition:

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This is the a medium to high rage tracking radar which is tasked with tracking ballistic missiles or air crafts. This radar was also shown earlier mounted on Zafar tractor about two years ago.

Launchers, what makes Bavar different:

But the most attractive and different part of Bavar is its launchers. Previously and since Bavar had been introduced as an Iranian version of S300, everyone was anticipating a tube shape launcher like that of S300. But after revealing below pics, some interesting points were noticed:

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Judging by their look, these launchers reminds us of Mark 41 launchers more than anything else and shows Iranian designers, were after using all international practices without any insistence on S300 to introduce a local product.

Mark 41 launcher:

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In this US system, the launchers are positioned vertically next to each other in a vessel. This way of design shows that Iranian engineers have moved towards a different pattern in this section and basically, due to impossibility of any cooperation with those countries in this section, we are facing a totally native design. This should rule out any suspect in the independence of design process of Bavar System.

On the other hand, the fact that the tubes are vertical shows we are looking at a vertical launch system which in turn means gaining an important new technology. Vertical launchers need less area and thus in a limited space, more of them can be installed.

The fact that all of these systems are mobile, shows that mobility is a principle in Iran's defense strategy.

Vertical Launch, cold or hot? this is the question

There are two ways to launch a missile vertically, cold and hot. In a hot launch, missile's engine starts inside the launcher and the resulted gas are exhausted through the holes on the body of the launcher. This type of launch needs material that are resilient to very high temperature.

In cold launch, like S300, missiles is thrown out in the first stage using a gas generator system and then missile engine starts. These launchers are heavier and more expensive compared to Hot launchers.

Bavar pictures empowers the theory of using hot launch system. Gap between bottom of the launcher and ground and the two holes on the upper part are probably for facilitating the exhaust of the missile's engine gas.

The other important point is that in comparison to other Talash launchers, the length and size has significantly increased, which mean a bigger missile with larger range:

Talash system with Sayad 2 system:

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Bavar's next probable destination: Iran's naval fleet:

Even though, nothing has bee said about this so far, with some changes, Bavar launchers can be used on Navy's heavy vessels.

If that ever materializes, it means that our navy can now easily defend itself against any air raid.

In addition, the old allegation of attributing Iran's achievements to copying Chinese or Russian systems is ruled out with this new system and Iran now formally joins very few countries that can build sophisticated AA missile systems.
 
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:rolleyes:

o_O

In addition to Henry's pictures:

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Does anyone need any more evidence?

I've shown TELs, transport trucks, 3 different types of missiles, several different radars, and a command and control post.

If anyone thinks this is an S-300 copy... well... :crazy:

Well done Iran.:tup:
Can we have the specs as well along with radar & tracking info.

We only have official specifications of one of the fire control radars, which has a range of 450 km and tracks over 100 targets. The Bavar-373 will be integrated into the national Integrated Air Defence Network.

We can guess by the size of the 3 different missiles that the Sayyad-2 (RIM-66 like missile, last photo) has a range of about 80 km, based on the official designation as a "mid-range" missile.

The Sayyad-3 (the red missile) is speculated to have a range of up to 200 km.

The large white missile is thought to have a range of some 300 km, with anti-ballistic capability. In fact, the President has asked the military to test the Bavar-373 on a ballistic missile.
 
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but according to every source i have seen this system is a S-300 base.

There is not a single source online that has claimed Bavar is based on s-300 after if was unveiled. The only thing they have said is that Bavar started when s-300 deal went sour.

Lets forget all that, you can visually see Bavar and s-300 are completely different. Everything from radar, missile, truck, launch canister etc. How do you not see this friend?

S-300 launcher:

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Bavar launcher:
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S-300 radar:
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Bavar radar:
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S-300 missile:
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Bavar missile:

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Want more?

I mean seriously, how does one even for a second try to link these two obviously different systems together? only thing they have in common is that they're both long range air defence.

So lets be done with this ridiculous attemps to link two obviously different systems to each other.
 
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Yes, I had hoped for the thread to be closed not merged. @waz bro, is it possible to de-merge the threads and simply close the one that was made in wrong section? combining them now has meant there are pages of mostly useless pages. Thanks bro.

I'm sorry bro I made a mistake. I thought I was doing you guys a favour by merging the thread, I only just read the content. I will make sure no one trolls on here if that helps.
 
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S-300 missiles reverse engineered years ago ... If you take a look at N.korean system you will understand !

But new laws demand iranian engineers to design new systems ... most of the reverse engineered products entered service years ago !

We don't need to show a jumping cold launch missile to prove our capabilities !

Do you really think americans are unable to make cold launch systems !?



You can't compare B-373 with patriot system !

Different categories ...

S-400 is better than B-373 ... but i am completely sure B-373 is better than S-300 !



Probably better than the PMU-1, friend YES, but better than the super killer PMU-2 ... its doubtful !

Anyway its only the begining, the first iteration .. we should expect improvement years after years

Hi Guys, I though I translate the following analysis from Mashregh for those who can't read Farsi:

http://www.mashreghnews.ir/fa/news/621265/باور-ایرانی-یک-سر-و-گردن-بالاتر-از-اس-300-روسی-کشف-سه-اتفاق-مهم-در-شاهکار-متخصصان-دفاعی-کشور-عکس

Iranian Bavar: Three significant breakthroughs:

After a long wait, finally Bavar 373 system was revealed on Aug 21st, 2016 (which is the "Defense Industry Day") in the presence of Iran's President. It took almost 10 years for this project that started with Supreme Leaders's command to come to turn into a reliable and proud product.

Where did Bavar 373 come form?

According to general Esmaili, Iran's head of air defense division, in the very first days that there were talks bout purchase of S300 and our troops were still being trained in Russia, Supreme leader commanded us to start a national project for air defense. Since then, this was entered into the formal plan and conceptual design started in defense industry, Khatam al anbia base and some of universities.

He also noted that 373 is one of Prophent Mohammed's titles in "Abjad" and Bavar means belief.

4 systems were revealed

The following four systems were revealed during the ceremony and as usual, no technical details were publicized.

One of the systems was the command and control post which is responsible for receipt and processing all the data and information from sensors and radars, choosing the targets and firing the missiles:

1811596_475.jpg


Othere system was Meraj 4 fire control radar that according to existing news, is a phased array radar. This radar is responsible for supplying Bavar system with target related data like speed, altitude and direction and helps the system with choosing and locking on the target.

1811597_921.jpg


There was a smaller radar shown in the back ground of one of the pictures:

1811598_175.jpg


That radar looks like Bavar tracking radar of which pictures leaked during Larijani's (Iran parliament head) visit to Iran's defense products exhibition:

1811617_525.jpg


This is the a medium to high rage tracking radar which is tasked with tracking ballistic missiles or air crafts. This radar was also shown earlier mounted on Zafar tractor about two years ago.

Launchers, what makes Bavar different:

But the most attractive and different part of Bavar is its launchers. Previously and since Bavar had been introduced as an Iranian version of S300, everyone was anticipating a tube shape launcher like that of S300. But after revealing below pics, some interesting points were noticed:

1811599_940.jpg


1811621_103.jpg


Judging by their look, these launchers reminds us of Mark 41 launchers more than anything else and shows Iranian designers, were after using all international practices without any insistence on S300 to introduce a local product.

Mark 41 launcher:

1811600_313.jpg


In this US system, the launchers are positioned vertically next to each other in a vessel. This way of design shows that Iranian engineers have moved towards a different pattern in this section and basically, due to impossibility of any cooperation with those countries in this section, we are facing a totally native design. This should rule out any suspect in the independence of design process of Bavar System.

On the other hand, the fact that the tubes are vertical shows we are looking at a vertical launch system which in turn means gaining an important new technology. Vertical launchers need less area and thus in a limited space, more of them can be installed.

The fact that all of these systems are mobile, shows that mobility is a principle in Iran's defense strategy.

Vertical Launch, cold or hot? this is the question

There are two ways to launch a missile vertically, cold and hot. In a hot launch, missile's engine starts inside the launcher and the resulted gas are exhausted through the holes on the body of the launcher. This type of launch needs material that are resilient to very high temperature.

In cold launch, like S300, missiles is thrown out in the first stage using a gas generator system and then missile engine starts. These launchers are heavier and more expensive compared to Hot launchers.

Bavar pictures empowers the theory of using hot launch system. Gap between bottom of the launcher and ground and the two holes on the upper part are probably for facilitating the exhaust of the missile's engine gas.

The other important point is that in comparison to other Talash launchers, the length and size has significantly increased, which mean a bigger missile with larger range:

Talash system with Sayad 2 system:

1811610_287.jpg


Bavar's next probable destination: Iran's naval fleet:

Even though, nothing has bee said about this so far, with some changes, Bavar launchers can be used on Navy's heavy vessels.

If that ever materializes, it means that our navy can now easily defend itself against any air raid.

In addition, the old allegation of attributing Iran's achievements to copying Chinese or Russian systems is ruled out with this new system and Iran now formally joins very few countries that can build sophisticated AA missile systems.


HOT launch, i pretty sure!!! because it has the metalic protect the FRENCH SAMP-T has to prevent crater, its called "déflécteur de G", on the groud:


 
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Probably better than the PMU-1, friend YES, but better than the super killer PMU-2 ... its doubtful !

Anyway its only the begining, the first iteration .. we should expect improvement years after years




HOT launch, i pretty sure!!! because it has the metalic protect the FRENCH SAMP-T has to prevent crater on the groud:



I think hot lunch is cheaper .... Anyway , after developing and produce enough of these systems , then we can work on cold lunch feature ( if it's necessary )
 
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