Iran to supply Russia with “hundreds” of Drones

[ESAx]

AESA radar on the drone is irrelevant as that covers the skies. Not the ground.

Turkish GaN based AESA Radar has also air to ground functions including ground moving target indication and tracking

Maybe up to frigate class ships yes. Destroyer and above depends on situation and if missile can overcome the defenses of destroyer. UAV itself will be shot down, but it should be able to get off a few missiles.

Frigates have no chance against Turkish UCAVs

even Indian Navy KOLKATA class Destroyer armed with only 32 x BARAK-8 air defense missiles ( range of 70-100 km )

if 10 Turkish UCAVs fire 80 KUZGUN-TJ missiles from 200 km away for swarm attack on a Destroyer .. and game over

 

[ESAx]

as i said Systems like Majid air defense eat it alive for breakfast m lunch and dinner

AKINCI UCAV can eat Majid air defense System for breakfast
Majid air defense System can hit targets up to 8.000 m altitude while AKINCI UCAV has operational altitude of 12.000 m


also Majid air defense System has radar with range of 12-30 km to detect UCAVs and Missiles

AKINCI UCAVs to carry 40-150-250 km missiles ....


Dont compare Turkish AKINCI UCAV with American MQ-9 which is armed with only 12 km HELLFIRE Missiles

 

[ESAx]

Iran philosophy is build low observable cheap long range 1000KM suicide drones and flying wing drones for such roles. Less fire power, but ability to build 100s as a swarm.

Turkiye also developed 1.000 km KARGI anti-radiation Drone with superior technology ( RF Seeker, Datalink , SATCOM and home-of-jam capability )

even İsraeli HAROP doesnt have this technology

also 200 km SIMSEK turbojet engined Kamikaze Drone and KARGU - ALPAGU suicide drones for swarm attack

Türkiye , İsrael and İran rules Kamikaze Drones in the region , even in the world

 

[Hack-Hook]

AKINCI UCAV can eat Majid air defense System for breakfast
Majid air defense System can hit targets up to 8.000 m altitude while AKINCI UCAV has operational altitude of 12.000 m


also Majid air defense System has radar with range of 12-30 km to detect UCAVs and Missiles

AKINCI UCAVs to carry 40-150-250 km missiles ....


Dont compare Turkish AKINCI UCAV with American MQ-9 which is armed with only 12 km HELLFIRE Missiles

Noob, Majid air defense is designed to protect assets against loitering ammunition , cruise missile and big suicide drone .
it protect 3rd of khordad against such threat. 3rd of khordad hit Akinci at the range of 120km with the help of radar or 75km without even turning on its radar and you can fly at the altitude of more than 27km for that it won't help you that altitude also is covered.

 

[Shawnee]

Turkiye also developed 1.000 km KARGI anti-radiation Drone with superior technology ( RF Seeker, Datalink , SATCOM and home-of-jam capability )

even İsraeli HAROP doesnt have this technology

Türkiye , İsrael and İran rules Kamikaze Drones in the region , even in the world

Developed??
Or developing??
Do you mean Kargu rotary quadcopter with 5 km range and 30 minutes duration?

You cannot just claim.
Source?

Source for Functional Turkish Turboprop?

 

[kingQamaR]

Early detection would be the best defense against the Drone if you could pick it up on some kind of very low band radar and get it before it gets too close to doing any damage I think that'd be the best way to take care of it

 

[drmeson]

well my theory is that air force see kowsar-I as trainer , and plan to invest in kowsar-II and for that our (Turbofan Engine must become ready. i think turbo fan engine go into Kowsar-II not Kowsar-III)

by the way FJ-44 engine is more efficient than OWJ but not more powerful than OWJ so it can't go into kowsar-II , it only can be used as a replacement of owj in kowsar-I our engine for big UAV's or private jets for corporations. but for an interceptor it won't cut it

Only a fool will have ~70 trainers for 7.5-9 million each. You dont put this heavy radar and avionics on LIFTS. Kowsar-I is the most advanced F-5E/F derivative design that has ever existed and by electronics the most advanced aircraft in IRIAF currently. Its better than MIG-29 9.12 ans F-14AM both in that domain. Actually by empty weight it could easily be the most advanced aircraft in its category. It fits right into IRIAF strategy and local infrastructure too.

Kowsar has a T/W ratio of 0.72 with 2 x OWJ Turbojets which give it 10000 lbs and we have a single crystal turbofan equivalent to FJ-33, called Jahesh-700. Thats what we have in our hands.

Just like FJ-33's larger version FJ-44-4A (20-21 Inches dia, 53 Inches length, dry thurst of 3600 lbf) Jahesh-700 can have larger Version Jahesh-X with 20-21 inches same as J85/OWJ, 50-55 inches length, dry thurst of 3600-3800, Afterburner 7500lbf, which means the aircraft will have 15000 lbf thrust. Thats a T/W of 1.2 with full internal fuel. Such an aircraft with Kowsar's current avionics, FBW, radar etc will become one hell of a fighter. That also solves the F-5E's inherent problem of losing energy at turns.

So same dia, much less length, Jahesh-X version will be almost interchangeable with OWJ J-90. Its reduced length will also make much more room for more advanced avionics in the future or maybe some additional 600 ltr internal fuel for additional range. So with just enlargment we are getting a 4+ gen fighter with AESA radar, HOTAS, datalink etc. Whats so bad about it ?

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[ESAx]

Developed??
Or developing??
Do you mean Kargu rotary quadcopter with 5 km range and 30 minutes duration?

I am not talking about KARGU Kamikaze Drone

I am talking about KARGI anti-radiation Drone and Turkiye has developed it
1.000 km range and 6+ hours of operation capability

 

[Shawnee]

I am not talking about KARGU Kamikaze Drone

I am talking about KARGI anti-radiation Drone and Turkiye has developed it
1.000 km range and 6+ hours of operation capability

Ok.
Still never seen a battle unlike its Iranian equal that has been used against KSA for 5 years.

 

[ESAx]

Noob, Majid air defense is designed to protect assets against loitering ammunition , cruise missile and big suicide drone .
it protect 3rd of khordad against such threat. 3rd of khordad hit Akinci at the range of 120km with the help of radar or 75km without even turning on its radar and you can fly at the altitude of more than 27km for that it won't help you that altitude also is covered.

Majid air defense system can not engage on AKINCI
even TB-2s can destroy Majid air defense system as like Russian PANTSIR and BUK

only will try to intercept Turkish missiles if outdated radar detect stealth SOM or supersonic TRLG-230 missile


120 km range is not enough to hit AKINCI which can fire missiles from 150-250-275 km away

 

[drmeson]

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Lol MMM made a sock account so that he can Spam the Iranian threads with copy-paste BS and derail the thread. If mods ban this account he can still post from his original account. Smart boi but caught instantly.

 

[ESAx]

Ok.
Still never seen a battle unlike its Iranian equal that has been used against KSA for 5 years.

in a war everybody will see it , dont worry

Do you have a source for turboprop?

Turkish TB-3 , ANKA-S and AKSUNGUR UCAVs to use indigenous TEI PD-170 Turbodiesel Aviation Engine , not turboprop

Turkiye has developed TEI TS-1400 turboshaft gas turbine engine for Helicopters

and to convert turboshaft engine to turboprop engine from core engine

 

[Hack-Hook]

Only a fool will have ~70 trainers for 7.5-9 million each. You dont put this heavy radar and avionics on LIFTS. Kowsar-I is the most advanced F-5E/F derivative design that has ever existed and by electronics the most advanced aircraft in IRIAF currently. Its better than MIG-29 9.12 ans F-14AM both in that domain. Actually by empty weight it could easily be the most advanced aircraft in its category. It fits right into IRIAF strategy and local infrastructure too.

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Kowsar has a T/W ratio of 0.72 with 2 x OWJ Turbojets which give it 10000 lbs and we have a single crystal turbofan equivalent to FJ-33, called Jahesh-700. Thats what we have in our hands.

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Just like FJ-33's larger version FJ-44-4A (20-21 Inches dia, 53 Inches length, dry thurst of 3600 lbf) Jahesh-700 can have larger Version Jahesh-X with 20-21 inches same as J85/OWJ, 50-55 inches length, dry thurst of 3600-3800, Afterburner 7500lbf, which means the aircraft will have 15000 lbf thrust. Thats a T/W of 1.2 with full internal fuel. Such an aircraft with Kowsar's current avionics, FBW, radar etc will become one hell of a fighter. That also solves the F-5E's inherent problem of losing energy at turns.

So same dia, much less length, Jahesh-X version will be almost interchangeable with OWJ J-90. Its reduced length will also make much more room for more advanced avionics in the future or maybe some additional 600 ltr internal fuel for additional range. So with just enlargment we are getting a 4+ gen fighter with AESA radar, HOTAS, datalink etc. Whats so bad about it ?

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i don't now about these . but i knew one thing
J-85 : 3,600 lbf (16 kN) dry thrust / 5,000 lbf (22 kN) afterburner thrust
FJ-44: 3,600 lbf (16 kN) thrust dry
they have the same trust , what make you think FJ-44 with afterburner produce more power than OWJ
and using afterburner is not pretty solution : 1.24 lb/(lbf⋅h) or 35 g/(kN⋅s) dry thrust / 2.13 lb/(lbf⋅h) or 60 g/(kN⋅s) afterburner thrust
using it regularly will negate all the benefit of turbofan.
now let see what in F-20 was used. F404-GE-100 afterburning turbofan engine, 11,000 lbf (49 kN) thrust dry, 17,700 lbf (79 kN) with afterburner thats 1.5 time dry thrust and twice thrust with after burner thats why i say no FJ-44 is not enough for Kowsar-II if you use it in that airplane , it will be another underperforming light fighter - Trainer.

Majid air defense system can not engage on AKINCI
even TB-2s can destroy Majid air defense system as like Russian PANTSIR and BUK

only will try to intercept Turkish missiles if outdated radar detect stealth SOM or supersonic TRLG-230 missile


120 km range is not enough to hit AKINCI which can fire missiles from 150-250-275 km away

as I say noob.
3rd of Khordad hit those drones , Majid hit whatever they fire. but you probably don't knew the different between 3rd of khordad and buk
and as i said finding 3rd of khordad is your problem as it work with its radar off up to 75km. so there won't be any radiation for you.
and your drones will be detected the second they take off from their base as Sepehr Radar have 3000km of range

in a war everybody will see it , dont worry




Turkish TB-3 , ANKA-S and AKSUNGUR UCAVs to use indigenous TEI PD-170 Turbodiesel Aviation Engine , not turboprop

Turkiye has developed TEI TS-1400 turboshaft gas turbine engine for Helicopters

and to convert turboshaft engine to turboprop engine from core engine

please don't talk about engines last time we talked , it was me who point to you each of your drone use what type of engine
and you produced one or two of those Tei TS-1400 and it was so underperforming that you went back and start import engine for the rest of the helicopters.

and please first produce a single TB3

 

[925boy]

But Russia will not provide those top-notch technologies.

Even during wartime? hmmm!

or perhaps Russia investment in north south corridor , Iran become a hub for exporting Russians goods , the money that bring it Iran is more lucrative than buying some weapon , that made it possible it for us to put more money on the Research and development and diversify our economy more.

But Iran CAN have its cake and eat it here - Export and transport Russian, Central Asian and Indian goods via INSTC AND sell weapons to Russia.

I think Iran will sell alot of loitering and stealth suicide drones. US govt got uneasy about it.....WHERE ARE THOSE PDFers that said Iranian weapons are fake??

 

[drmeson]

i don't now about these . but i knew one thing
J-85 : 3,600 lbf (16 kN) dry thrust / 5,000 lbf (22 kN) afterburner thrust
FJ-44: 3,600 lbf (16 kN) thrust dry
they have the same trust , what make you think FJ-44 with afterburner produce more power than OWJ
and using afterburner is not pretty solution : 1.24 lb/(lbf⋅h) or 35 g/(kN⋅s) dry thrust / 2.13 lb/(lbf⋅h) or 60 g/(kN⋅s) afterburner thrust
using it regularly will negate all the benefit of turbofan.
now let see what in F-20 was used. F404-GE-100 afterburning turbofan engine, 11,000 lbf (49 kN) thrust dry, 17,700 lbf (79 kN) with afterburner thats 1.5 time dry thrust and twice thrust with after burner thats why i say no FJ-44 is not enough for Kowsar-II if you use it in that airplane , it will be another underperforming light fighter - Trainer.

You can not compare OWJ, a turbojet and JAHESH-700's larger, a sophisticated single crystal turbofan with generations apart between them. Both are Iranian jet engines but they are different machines.

the general rule of thumb is that modern turbofans usually have afterburner thrust some 1.6-1.7 times higher than dry thrust. If Jahesh-700's/FJ-33's larger version produces as much thrust as FJ-44 dry i.e. 3600 lbs then its afterburner thrust will be 1.7 x 3600 = 6120 lb or ~12250 lbs for 2 engines. Now with full internal fuel, that's a T/W ratio of 0.93, which is still very good. For a 4.3 ton fighter that's actually a very T/W ratio.

... That if we assume They are just gonna Turn Jahesh-700 into FJ-44 equivalent. What if they come up with even larger design with 5000 dry thrust and 8-9K lbs afterburner thrust.

The biggest Advantage of using a FJ-44 equivalent Jahesh is the fact that its just 52 inches compared to OWJ which is atleast 110-115 inches long. So you get like 60 more inches free for more avionics. What if they try to turn Kowsar-II/III into a supersonic unmanned fighter in the future with internal bays ? or let's keep it simple, what if they want a fully dedicated E-warfare + ELINT platform using Kowsar-I which is being produced right now, you can put all those extra jammers, IRST, ECCM in that space. Or maybe 600-800 ltr of additional fuel for CAP with F-14 AM and MIG-29. Also, MTBO reduces like hell as well.

Last but not least OWJ Turbojet and Jahesh-700 Turbofans are in our hands, F404 is not.