Iran to supply Russia with “hundreds” of Drones

[drmeson]

And iran selling drones to Russia is some sort of a joke to me

Egyptian forces with their amazing record are a joke to me too.

It is educational to read comments by various members...

To a Turk: Iranian drons are garbage....may be because Iran does not use all imported components like they do

To an Egyptian: Iranian drones are some kind of a joke....may be because we did not buy them from France or US or China like they do and so proud of it..!!!

I never remember a time when we made such comments about their assembled drones in Turkey or purchased Drones in Egypt!!!

Meanwhile

To a Russian: can we have a whole bunch of your Drones...we have a war to win.!

Most of them are just jealous and insecure teenagers (or adult men with small brains, incel life) who grew up thinking oh Iranians are nothing because they are Shias/Iranians/10 different reasons. You wont find sensible people from these countries trolling here. Do we have GOMIG or CABALTI here to discuss technicalities ? no, Just a 2-3 stupid teens who I am reporting for trolling/derailing in iranian section.

You do it even now as you speak. Our drones are not assembled they’re battleproven Nato standart state of the art unlike your north korean ali express drones.

Bayraktar TB-2 has recently made a world record of being the single most shot down UAV in the history of armed drone warfare. I am not even joking here, its an actual record that no UAV has ever touched before. 9-10 have been shot down by Russians in Ukraine so far. Russians are claiming 10 while 9 are confirmed with wreckage and serials. If Ukraine deploys them more, they will be shot more. I suspect Ukraine will pull them out of the conflict zone because they may cause morale degradation among Ukrainians forces.

https://eurasiantimes.com/bayraktars-are-falling-turkeys-much-hyped-tb2-drones-are-losing-stream/

Remember when the West ganged up on Iran to erase its foothold ìn Syria, deliberately destabilizing the region by propping up the most extreme rebel groups with all kinds of weaponry?

Time for Iran to return the favour.

More west corners these countries more they get aligned. The Bear, The Lion, The Dragon ...

to be fair chinese raped all turks in 8th century so we are superior

Khan of Heaven - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

better learn to speak chinese cos ur DNA is chinese boy

oh P.S did u know first Japs were from China anyways?

You are mistaking Anatolians for actual Turkic. People who call themselves as Turkish now are not Turkics. That's an adapted false identity that has been genetically debunked by some 30 separate genetic studies conducted on Turkish population in bulk, published in peer-reviewed research articles in SJR recognized international journals. Some even by Turkish geneticists themselves like the second Autosomal Plot of 1700 x Turkish men and women. Actually they are one of the most genetically analyzed people on earth because of a strong contrast between their blood and adapted false identity. Turkish are like 80-82 % just Anatolians who have been historically colonized by Romans, Persians, Medes, Grecos, Byzantine, Actual Turkic, Armenians etc. So they genetically cluster with none other but these native West Asian groups like Levantine Syriacs, Armenian (Armenian genocide was one type of greco-armenian murdering another Armenian), and Iranic Medes groups like NW Persians, Kurds, Tats, Talysh etc. Turkish nations' Turkic identity is as big a lie as lochness monster. People want to believe its real but who has got the proof it exists?

Science >>>>> Myths

 

[Akritas]

The Iranians are using reverse engineering and Chinese help to build their own UAV's.
e.g. Saegheh is a copy of the US Sentinel, Fotros and Shahed are a copies of the US Predator,

However, if Russia needs Iranian help in the supply of medium-large UAVs/UCAVs, this may be indicative of the difficulties it faces in mass-producing them in wartime.

 

[Hack-Hook]

if the air defense turn its radar , about you forget one thing our Bavar-373 have more than 200km range , and our 3rd of khordad can knock out target from the sky without even turning on its RADAR and if akinci carry those cruise missile then it can't carry the rest of those armament .
by the way what is the range of Russians S-400 and S-500

 

[Hack-Hook]

The Iranians are using reverse engineering and Chinese help to build their own UAV's.
e.g. Saegheh is a copy of the US Sentinel, Fotros and Shahed are a copies of the US Predator,

However, if Russia needs Iranian help in the supply of medium-large UAVs/UCAVs, this may be indicative of the difficulties it faces in mass-producing them in wartime.

the difficulty is that Russia never invested in UAVs , iran did since 1982 with its first UCAV, Mohajer-1.

TB-2 is the best combat proven hunter killer Drone in the World and dozens of Countries buys Turkish Drones

Because TB-2 Drones destroyed thousands of AFVs,IFVs,Tanks,Howitzers,MLRS also Air Defense and EW Systems in Syria,Libya,Karabakh and in Ukraine



Turkiye has great technology as like USA and İsrael

American MALD
İsraeli TALD
Turkish GOKSUNGUR

300 km GOKSUNGUR supersonic Drone to be programmed in advance and is launched to enemy air defense positions before an air attack, deceiving the enemy air defense systems, reducing the casualties of friendly aircraft and allowing them to operate in survivability

to carry by UCAVs for Suppression of Enemy Air Defense (SEAD) missions
View attachment 861120


Good luck to Enemy Air Defense Systems , They will need it

MMM, again at we great , we ...... first field the equipment then talk about it. at least you can learn this from us

 

[drmeson]

The Iranians are using reverse engineering and Chinese help to build their own UAV's.
e.g. Saegheh is a copy of the US Sentinel, Fotros and Shahed are a copies of the US Predator,

However, if Russia needs Iranian help in the supply of medium-large UAVs/UCAVs, this may be indicative of the difficulties it faces in mass-producing them in wartime.

Will you please provide proof of "reverse engineering" ? You are seeing a system from the outside and because shapes are similar so they seem reverse engineering to you. That's not how military hardware works. Chinese, FC-31 resembles F-35, F-15 resembles MIG-25, It does not mean manufacturers were reverse engineering each others systems.

Here is my claim. Shahed 171/191 have indigenous engine systems and SAR radars, armaments with nothing to do with RQ-170. I can prove it with the names of systems but I will wait for your proof of reverse engineering first.

 

[ESAx]

first field the equipment then talk about it. at least you can learn this from us

are you blind ?

300 km GOKSUNGUR

200 km SIMSEK

First go and destroy thousands of AFVs,IFVs,Tanks,Howitzers,MLRS also Air Defense and EW Systems in Syria,Libya,Karabakh and in Ukraine , at least you can learn this from Turkish Drones

 

[drmeson]

the difficulty is that Russia never invested in UAVs , iran did since 1982 with its first UCAV, Mohajer-1.

MMM, again at we great , we ...... first field the equipment then talk about it. at least you can learn this from us

You are wasting time on MMM's sock account, trolling in Iranian section with parrot like copy-pasting of Akinci Pakinci spacecraft, with erdogan missile with 50000 KM range, single crystal donar kebab, Mehmet Istanbulu Hurjet etc etc etc. Ctrl +C ... Ctrl V lol

I have reported the trolling, flaming, and derailing of thread by these 2 Turkish trolls in the Iranians section. Hopefully, @waz @Irfan Baloch clean the thread so we can discuss what is happening here, are we getting something in return for Mohajer-6 or whatever they chose from the arsenal or this is once again just another military favor in return for political gain.

 

[drmeson]

Well not really.
Some above items are not for sale and under no circumstances Russia sells those to even it's closest allies.Because russia wants to maintain its superiority. Even the S-400 Russia sells it's a downgraded export version. The S-400 Russia use is more potent than the export version.
Iran is in no position to dictate Russia arms sales. Russia is going to win in Ukraine one way or another. With or without Irani drones doesn't matter.

Airforce procurement without TOT is useless for us. History taught us that. You can have 100 x F-22 but if the supplier blocks the parts because of political de-alignment that can happen anytime, the fleet becomes useless unless you have a local assembly line. Because of our strong reverse engineering history of American stuff like F-5E, RQ-170, AIM-54, Hawks etc. I suspect no manufacturer company of combat aircrafts will ever give Iran anything which is one of the reasons we see no procurement. There is another reason and thats war doctrine. Iranian planners have seen Iraqi airforce (worlds fourth largest at that time) getting massacred on ground and air. They rejected the plan of countering the enemy in enemy's domain of strength. Rather they focussed more on BM/CM, Ambush Air-defence, e-warfare, large and diverse UCAV fleet, Naval forces etc. Even if you have 500 SU-35S, you will still not match the combined air power of NATO and their allies. So why present them a juicy target ? why not destroy the bases they fly from.

Iran won't ask for S-400 ever because that will be stupidity. We have local production of Ambush LORADS. Bavar-373 system is a long-range TVC-controlled AD that works in our GWACS network through long-range Search and AESA track radars, its e-warfare system is very strong. We produce it locally and it's constantly being improved so there is no need for foriegn procurement there, rather more focus is own improving the range from 230 KM to 300-400 KM at least. There was even a report few weeks ago that Bavar-373 might have been deployed in Ukraine.

 

[Hack-Hook]

200 km SIMSEK

wonder what a target drone has to do with discussion , by the way systems like Majid airdefence eat these big drones for break fast , launch and dinner if you!!!!!!!

TAI Şimşek - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

00 km GOKSUNGUR

in developement

 

[drmeson]

the difficulty is that Russia never invested in UAVs , iran did since 1982 with its first UCAV, Mohajer-1.

The reason is simple. Russians believed in their manned airpower (3rd largest fleet in the world) like today Iran is believing in its unmanned airpower (Worlds 3rd largest fleet of Armed UCAVS). They neglected their unmanned domain like we are cutting IRIAF budgets because we see it as an interceptor force. Why are we not seeing 200 Kowsar-I already, why just 18-24? If we can turn an enemy into a toast with Fakour-90 LRBVR at 150 Km why is not Fatter being turned into a BVR-IR package for Kowsar-I? Why have not they unvieled Kowsar-II yet. I mean the ingredients are there already. We are making the full airframe, FBW, Nav-comm, e-warfare, J-85-II, Grifo-346, AIM-9P, AIM-54 all at home so how difficult it would be to convert this into a 2xFJ-44, Grifo-E, AIM-9X blkIII, PL-15/R-77M for the nation that ranks 9th in the STEM R&D by SJR ? Countries forget the balance and then pay the price in wars. I am glad they did not neglect the air defense. So at Atleast a force of 200 4th generation interceptors will have to do 25 % of the job while 75 % can be taken by the multi-layered Ambush SAMS.

 

[NotSure]

TB-2 is the best combat proven hunter killer Drone in the World and dozens of Countries buys Turkish Drones

Because TB-2 Drones destroyed thousands of AFVs,IFVs,Tanks,Howitzers,MLRS also Air Defense and EW Systems in Syria,Libya,Karabakh and in Ukraine

No, Millions or even Billions!

Especially in Ukraine the TB-2 destroyed at least few Million tanks etc. but Kiev is hiding all the videos and has instead published how many examples of successful TB-2 strikes?

20? 30? Maybe 50 or in other words less successful strikes than Kiev received TB-2 in total. In other words your superduper TB-2 are dropping like flies and Pantsir-S1 is the main fly swatter here.

You are acting here like the typical negative cliche about oriental people: Big mouth to brag about the own success, even if it's a lie, a fantasy.

Americans on the other hand are smarter, they don't even try to sell their UCAVs to ukraine, because the will be downed in a very short time frame.

No, not because the TB-2 is a bad turkish design, or the Predator a bad american design. No, because this class of drones simply can't survive against a competent airdef. Especially the TB-2 with their very short range weapons and very slow speed. And even if the TB-2 had the VLO of a F-35, because of the short range weapons, they have to be within the tracking range or in other words stealth can't even work at such short distances. And the TB-2 is not even LO, so there is no way to hide from radar.

 

[Kedikesenfare2]

All in all, billions of USDs in exports to dozens of governments all around the globe are a living and undeniable proof of the quality and reliability of Turkish drone systems. It's just a fact. Money counts as we all know.

There was a time when Iran, indeed, was ahead of Turkey in this field of military technology but even third party experts will agree that Turkey has basically overtaken the Persians.

Missile tech is the last area of expertise where the Iranians are still ahead of us but given the recent breakthroughs I doubt that Iran is capable of keeping up with Turkey in the long term.

The Iranians should ask their mullahs how this is possible and perhaps invest their oil money in Iranian tech instead of in militias who are killing their own people in Yemen, Syria and Iraq. That would be a nice change for once.

Good night, my Ayrans.

 

[ESAx]

wonder what a target drone has to do with discussion , by the way systems like Majid airdefence eat these big drones for break fast , launch and dinner if you!!!!!!!

Now 275 km SOM stealth Cruise Missiles can eat all İranian Air Defense Systems for breakfast
also soon AKINCI UCAV to carry 8 x 250 km KUZGUN-TJ missiles with IIR seeker

not target Drone but Kamikaze Drone with warhead to hit targets from 200 km away
SIMSEK Kamikaze Drone has warhead similar to MAM-L guided Bomb's warhead

Turkiye turned SIMSEK target Drone into a turbojet engined Kamikaze Drone

 

[Stryker1982]

Now 275 km SOM stealth Cruise Missiles can eat all İranian Air Defense Systems for breakfast
also soon AKINCI UCAV to carry 8 x 250 km KUZGUN-TJ missiles with IIR seeker

not target Drone but Kamikaze Drone with warhead to hit targets from 200 km away
SIMSEK Kamikaze Drone has warhead similar to MAM-L guided Bomb's warhead

You wanna stop derailing the thread?

 

[ESAx]

You are acting here like the typical negative cliche about oriental people: Big mouth to brag about the own success, even if it's a lie, a fantasy.

only watch and see how TB-2 UCAVs destroyed İranian ,Syrian Regime soldiers - military equipment and Hezbollah in Idlib/Syria