Iran summons Pakistan envoy over massacre of border guards

[El Sidd]

We do have a very pro-pakistan mindset among Iranian politicians. the same security issues we face today from Pakistan, was our problem with kurd terrorists in west and Iranian government had a merciless operation launched and ended the violance along the border with Iraq once and for all.

we bombed the shizzam out of Iraqi side of the border. now, of course, this was coordinated with Iraqi government

the Iraqis told us that they have many security issues (like Pakistan does) and cannot deal with the border situation anytime soon, so in return they granted us the permission to launch our attacks along Iraqi border and we cleared and secured the border by ourselves.

we acted like 2 adult friend countries. now brother, let me ask you this:

the border situation cannot be tolerated by any country in this world right? so now there are some options to deal with it:

1-Pakistani army launches an operation inside Pakistani territory and clears this mess in its side of the border

2- we launch a joint attack on the terrorists

or 3-Pakistan grants us the permission to do cross-border attacks.

we cannot tolerate anything less than this 3 options and i believe as a fair person you also confirm that only these options are available and nothing less can be tolerated by us.

So tell us why is Pakistan not agreeing to any of these options?

what should Iran do now? just sit there like a duck and get hit again?

Let Pakistanis do a combing operation in and around Chahbahar since Pakistan has suffered most from that area.

Agree?

 

[idune]

Is it another desperate indian act to show india has more terrorists and more kulbhashan type terror network to create rift between Iran and Pakistan. Iranian leadership statement seems to sense that.

 

[Fledgingwings]

Situation has started to mess up on Irans border as well.

 

[haman10]

Let Pakistanis do a combing operation in and around Chahbahar since Pakistan has suffered most from that area.

Agree?

So you read what you post? Or no you just type whatever the F that comes to your brain?

 

[Kabira]

We do have a very pro-pakistan mindset among Iranian politicians. the same security issues we face today from Pakistan, was our problem with kurd terrorists in west and Iranian government had a merciless operation launched and ended the violance along the border with Iraq once and for all.

we bombed the shizzam out of Iraqi side of the border. now, of course, this was coordinated with Iraqi government

the Iraqis told us that they have many security issues (like Pakistan does) and cannot deal with the border situation anytime soon, so in return they granted us the permission to launch our attacks along Iraqi border and we cleared and secured the border by ourselves.

we acted like 2 adult friend countries. now brother, let me ask you this:

the border situation cannot be tolerated by any country in this world right? so now there are some options to deal with it:

1-Pakistani army launches an operation inside Pakistani territory and clears this mess in its side of the border

2- we launch a joint attack on the terrorists

or 3-Pakistan grants us the permission to do cross-border attacks.

we cannot tolerate anything less than this 3 options and i believe as a fair person you also confirm that only these options are available and nothing less can be tolerated by us.

So tell us why is Pakistan not agreeing to any of these options?

what should Iran do now? just sit there like a duck and get hit again?

Couple of questions, all terrorists who attacked the border post were killed right? Don't tell me they run back to Pakistan after killing 10 Irani soldiers. Pakistan face similar attacks from Afghanistan and pretty much everyone of them get killed in response.

On the other hand I agree Pakistan should increase security along border. Pakistan doesn't pay much attention on Iran border because unlike Afghanistan and India, you don't support Baloch insurgents in our side as far as I know. Because that would be counter productive considering Iran is also fighting insurgency in Sistan.

And from what I've heard Iran have fenced border so that should in theory prevent illegal movement and attacks. Maybe this is why Pakistan doesn't focus on border but instead tackle insurgency all over province.

 

[The Accountant]

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No matter what attacks should not originate from our side. They lost 10 men while our pm is busy meeting jindal. A more effective mechanism needs to be in place before we have another hostile neighbour to deal with.

Agreed but iran is also responsible for such incidents .. iran has relationship with BLA terrorist and terrorists of some sect ... so while we need to erradicate menance of terrorism from our borders but we also need strong diplomacy ... we did not even launch protest on uzair baloch arrest with iranian passport ...

 

[haviZsultan]

We do have a very pro-pakistan mindset among Iranian politicians. the same security issues we face today from Pakistan, was our problem with kurd terrorists in west and Iranian government had a merciless operation launched and ended the violance along the border with Iraq once and for all.

I agree with most of this but Iraq and Iran have once been at war. Therefore I believe there should be a different mindset when dealing with Pakistani militants or Irani militants who have developed sanctuary there because of lax border controls on our side. Lets acknowledge that Iran was the first country to accept Pakistans independence. Though ties were great under the shah there is no reason they can't be under the Khomeinis. That being said a joint operation was launched under Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto where we bombed the shizzam out of Balochs.

Needless to say that did not work out too well. It created a situation in Pakistan and countless innocent Balochs were killed who had no real role in any form of insurgency. That was an operation by Iran and Pakistan on the border.

we bombed the shizzam out of Iraqi side of the border. now, of course, this was coordinated with Iraqi government

Brother the problem in Pakistan is known to us. The enemy hides among us, us meaning the average Pakistani and if you/we use airstrikes or artillery bombardment innocent Pakistanis will die among the militants. This situation has been making the Balochistan conflict one big vicious conflict in Pakistan. As I have written a book on Pakhunkhwa/FATA I have also come across the fact that artillery bombardment and airstrikes have resulted in civilian casualties even there. Balochistan is no different.

My point is small tactical teams and counter insurgency/terrorism teams are required in this situation than conventional military might. Bombing the shizzam out of them will result in civilian casualties and many problems.

As far as the rest I agree provided we do nothing of the type we did under Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto who even dismissed the elected government of Balochistan. I am saying we have problems in Balochistan and you must also know there are some in Iran too. Tact is required here and it will also require sane minds to prevail. Emotionally taking action over this serious cross border attack will cause backlash when things are slowly improving.

That said the attack is despicable and in reality is a very deliberate attempt to sabotage Pak Iran relations when Pakistan has been trying to bridge the Arab-Iran divide. God knows it could be planned by America, Israel or anyone. If we fall into the trap and allow ties to detoriorate it will be a victory for those hostile nations. I also understand the Iranian side because Afghanistan has given us the same problems and we support tactical Pakistani action against them. It is said we arrested Ehsanullah Ehsan (TTP spokesperson) through only such an operation. So I understand the feeling but working together is the better option here. Pakistan Iranian ties are different from Pak Afghan ties where there is no territorial dispute (like that of the durand line and blame game between Pakistan/Afghanistan)

the Iraqis told us that they have many security issues (like Pakistan does) and cannot deal with the border situation anytime soon, so in return they granted us the permission to launch our attacks along Iraqi border and we cleared and secured the border by ourselves.

I think you are talking about the current government which appears sympathetic to Iran. This is of course spectacular diplomacy on part of Iran since Iran and Iraq fought a war. Now there are Iranians on the battlefield in Iraq fighting ISIS. I don't know the details of course but Iraq does not have a strong military. What it did have was shattered in the Iraq Iran war and the subsequent invasion by US. We have a military that is strong, perhaps not a good intelligence network as proven by instability and current attacks but we do not rate the Pak military so low. In this case it would be better if Pakistan military took action and Iranian government/security officials were called to watch the operation. It could also be that when the terrorists are arrested they are produced to Iran. This might be difficult because the terrorists would be responsible for killing Pakistani civilians too. Regardless we have to do something.

we acted like 2 adult friend countries. now brother, let me ask you this:

the border situation cannot be tolerated by any country in this world right? so now there are some options to deal with it:

1-Pakistani army launches an operation inside Pakistani territory and clears this mess in its side of the border

2- we launch a joint attack on the terrorists

or 3-Pakistan grants us the permission to do cross-border attacks.

Something has to be done. These suggestions are good. Pakistanis would prefer that we ourselves did the operation. But as I said small tactical teams are far better in this situation than conventional might. Intelligence based operations are needed. If the terrorists have exclusively attacked Iran and not done anything illegal in Pakistan which I doubt then they can be extradited to Iran. Otherwise its complicated because they also have to be punished via Pakistani law.

we cannot tolerate anything less than this 3 options and i believe as a fair person you also confirm that only these options are available and nothing less can be tolerated by us.

So tell us why is Pakistan not agreeing to any of these options?

what should Iran do now? just sit there like a duck and get hit again?

I think Pakistan should agree to one of the 3 options you gave. Its very fair.

But I think there are some factors to play. Kulbhushan Yadhav, the captured Indian spy was living in Iran. Now it may be just an allegation but there is a belief in Pakistan he was there. Also there has been border shelling from the Iranian side on Balochistan's border villages. Some even reached Tamp. So there is sentiment in Pakistan about this and it is noticeable in a lot of threads here on PDF recently. I still want good ties to flourish. Not only with Iran but all of the muslim world including UAE/Qatar/Saudi/Indonesia/Kazakhastan or whereever.

I gave some suggestions but operations against these terrorists are a must. We cannot have militants on our soil that target another country. It is very dangerous for the honor of the country.

 

[salarsikander]

So tell us why is Pakistan not agreeing to any of these options

When were these options ever requested?

And when did pakistan ever decline?

 

[IceCold]

We do have a very pro-pakistan mindset among Iranian politicians. the same security issues we face today from Pakistan, was our problem with kurd terrorists in west and Iranian government had a merciless operation launched and ended the violance along the border with Iraq once and for all.

we bombed the shizzam out of Iraqi side of the border. now, of course, this was coordinated with Iraqi government

the Iraqis told us that they have many security issues (like Pakistan does) and cannot deal with the border situation anytime soon, so in return they granted us the permission to launch our attacks along Iraqi border and we cleared and secured the border by ourselves.

we acted like 2 adult friend countries. now brother, let me ask you this:

the border situation cannot be tolerated by any country in this world right? so now there are some options to deal with it:

1-Pakistani army launches an operation inside Pakistani territory and clears this mess in its side of the border

2- we launch a joint attack on the terrorists

or 3-Pakistan grants us the permission to do cross-border attacks.

we cannot tolerate anything less than this 3 options and i believe as a fair person you also confirm that only these options are available and nothing less can be tolerated by us.

So tell us why is Pakistan not agreeing to any of these options?

what should Iran do now? just sit there like a duck and get hit again?

If Iranian politicians have a very pro Pakistan mindset thats because they know Pakistan is a friendly country and an ally. Attacks also take place on Pakistani soldiers but we do not start shouting from the roof top, we convey our concerns to Iran like in case of Uzair baloch, even yadav.
So you need to relax and let your leaders sort it out as they always have by working with Pakistan.

 

[tarrar]

So when Iran fires in Pakistan territory all is good with Iran but when there is retaliation against Iran then they cry.

 

[El Sidd]

So you read what you post? Or no you just type whatever the F that comes to your brain?

Please refrain from using e f g h on the forum.
I said exactly what Iranians have pointed out here, why getting emotional.
My offer still stands: Let Pakistanis do a combing operation on elements in Chahbahar who are intent on disturbing peace in Pakistan and we can talk about Border Management.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

Please refrain from using e f g h on the forum.
I said exactly what Iranians have pointed out here, why getting emotional.
My offer still stands: Let Pakistanis do a combing operation on elements in Chahbahar who are intent on disturbing peace in Pakistan and we can talk about Border Management.

My Pak Friend,


Reason, wisdom, logic... versus unmanaged emotions... I do like your calm, your restraint... your cultivated education, experience and exposure to corp dimplomatique shows itself. Good to see.

As you no doubt know...the abused saying... it takes two to Tango... yet the most important part is in Tango one is leading and the other is following...yet all eyes are on the one who follows... amazing, won't you agree?


Pak is under multifronted attack for so long now... from Western borders to the Eastern...all energies have been directed on this fifth generation attack.... you are coming out... but now out of woods yet. Pak has paid a huge price in Blood and Treasure.

Who is Friend? How can we percieve what is hidden?

Yet what is hidden is manifest in the open... Pak needs to master the art of managing the Paradox.

It is sad truth that Pak soil was/is a proxy war ground from friends and foes alike...only Pak lives are lost...families broken. Shouldn't it stop now?

Shall we blame Pak Policy Makers only?


Loss of innocent lives must be condemed without reserve.

Keep bringing is in your balanced, subtle wisdom. It is needed!

Regards,

SPF

 

[El Sidd]

My Pak Friend,


Reason, wisdom, logic... versus unmanaged emotions... I do like your calm, your restraint... your cultivated education, experience and exposure to corp dimplomatique shows itself. Good to see.

As you no doubt know...the abused saying... it takes two to Tango... yet the most important part is in Tango one is leading and the other is following...yet all eyes are on the one who follows... amazing, won't you agree?


Pak is under multifronted attack for so long now... from Western borders to the Eastern...all energies have been directed on this fifth generation attack.... you are coming out... but now out of woods yet. Pak has paid a huge price in Blood and Treasure.

Who is Friend? How can we percieve what is hidden?

Yet what is hidden is manifest in the open... Pak needs to master the art of managing the Paradox.

It is sad truth that Pak soil was/is a proxy war ground from friends and foes alike...only Pak lives are lost...families broken. Shouldn't it stop now?

Shall we blame Pak Policy Makers only?


Loss of innocent lives must be condemed without reserve.

Keep bringing is in your balanced, subtle wisdom. It is needed!

Regards,

SPF

It is/was only a matter of time Pakistani people tire out from all these proxy war.

The greatest tragedy(blessing) of Pakistan is its weakness(desire) to keep its "allies" happy and comfy all the time.
What we are seeing now is the transition (decision) phase for Pakistans allies to allign themselves accordingly and Pakistan demands the respect it deserves and one should fear when this demand turns into command.

Thank you for your encouraging words. Coming from someone who proudly named himself sinopakfriend it is nothing but a testimony to the natural ties of both nations.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

It is/was only a matter of time Pakistani people tire out from all these proxy war.

The greatest tragedy(blessing) of Pakistan is its weakness(desire) to keep its "allies" happy and comfy all the time.
What we are seeing now is the transition (decision) phase for Pakistans allies to allign themselves accordingly and Pakistan demands the respect it deserves and one should fear when this demand turns into command.

Thank you for your encouraging words. Coming from someone who proudly named himself sinopakfriend it is nothing but a testimony to the natural ties of both nations.

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Yes, my friend, I understand what you say.

Tounge lives among teeth by being flexible, cautious.


I have been trying to make my Pak Friends realise their own Worth, Value.
It is a slow process, one must excercise patience.

Pak is the South West Asian regional power of global consequence. An inheritor of Great Civlisation.

Sooner the Pak State realises this and acts accordingly better it is for Pak Peoples, friends and foes alike.

The self inflicted injuries are the deepest ones...

When the Day comes and the Pak State starts acting out of Self Respect and Self Interest... your Value and Worth will become 1000 times.

All roads are payed through economic growth.

Pak must learn to recognise that Pak carries not a big stick but a rather large mallet, yet Pak must speak softly. Wisdom.

All the resources in the world are there, you are blessed on many fronts.
What is missing is Pak National Awakening.

Let us be patient, let the river of Time flow.... in a decade your economy would be in the right place.

However, the real Transformation will only occur when your professional class can find outlet to their talents/energies within Pak, thier homeland.

All you need is an educated class of about 20% fully employed in dynamic economy. I guess your middle class is relatively educated. University degrees never equate to education however.

Dear Pak, Speak softly, clearly for your carry a Large Mallet with Spikes!


I like you my friend...your words are dipped in experience... young Pak here are ...well young. Might not always get your drifts..

Regards,

SPF

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[Verve]

Whenever an attack was launched from chabahar on Pakistan, we'll start a joint operation and eliminate the threat.

thats why i said you're talking out of your butt.

"suffered the most from that area" ?? what are you talking about?

and no, i will use F whenever i want.

I think you need to study the RAW agent (who is responsible for managing a large terror network in Pakistan responsible for killing thousands civilians - yet you are moaning about 10 of yours) ... we caught him in Balochistan and he was based in Chabahar, on a valid Iranian Visa!!!

You seem to be missing the point!