Iran Seeks to Form a Military Force in Pakistan

[Suff Shikan]

Both secular shia lead (Zardari and Altaf) parties PPP and MQM have links to Iran.

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Altaf is not shia ... but no matter he is a big piece of shit, can do anything for his ownsake.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Cannot be secular and shia at the same time..its like the israeli saying we are Jewish Athiest..makes no sense..

Actually that is what Zionism is. Jewish by race, secular by ideology. In case of MQM and PPP, the reason they support secular system is to avoid possible takeover of Islamic form of govt. Which in case of Pakistan, would be predominantly Sunni and might end up debating blasphemous books of Ayatollah Khomeini. May bring up Anti-Shahba beliefs of Shia in parliament. You know the Qadiyani story. They don't want to be the next in line.

 

[ADIL SHERDIL]

Bhaio this interview was given in Saudia as we all know there love for Iran and vice versa.
This article is supposed to create hatred on the base of religion sect. I would like to say please dont get involve in bashing sunni and shia this is all they need(enemy intention).
People like him has given Islam a bad name and they will rot in lower level of hell

 

[Zibago]

Riyadh – Pakistani MP Abdul Karim Bakhesh warned that Iran is trying to extend its power in Pakistan.

Speaking to Asharq al-Awsat newspaper, Bakhesh said that Tehran is aiming to influence the Pakistani political arena through hosting prominent political and religious figures and fund Shi’ite institutions.

The MP explained that Iran provided 4,000 scholarships to Pakistani students last year. The number of Bloch students in Iran reached over 22,000, mainly of Sunnis.

According to the MP, Iran sought methods to mislead the public through funding parties that don’t seem to be linked to Iran.

Pakistani sources added that Iran created a special operations room in Zahedan, 500 Km from Pakistan.

They said that Iran also activated it cultural office in Quetta, the provincial capital of Balochistan, and started providing food supplies and monetary aids to families.

Over 35 years ago, Iran established cultural centers in all major Pakistani cities and sent delegates to run these centers and recruit personnel.

Iran and Pakistani Shi’ites also established about 300 Shi’ite religious institutions in different Pakistani cities.

Between 2002 and 2013, Iran built 54 secular universities in Pakistan that attract Shi’ite students of all majors and grant them scholarships.

In addition, Iranian government granted thousands of Pakistani Shi’ites the Iranian citizenship and used them in its expansion projects.

There are over five TV channels that are loyal to Iran with Iranian government funding a number of journalists and media outlets.

After 2006, Iran sent a group of members of the so-called Lebanese Hezbollah to train Pakistani Shi’ite members in a tribal area called Parachinar.

After the Syrian revolution against Bashar Assad regime, the Revolutionary Guards recruited thousands of Pakistani Shi’ites in Zaynabeyoun brigade that is located in Damascus, Syria.

Sharq Alawsat

Is Iran going to have another Hezbollah-like organization inside Pakistan?

Pakistan is the second biggest Shia country many of my relatives are Shias
Shias makeup 30% of our army and Pakistan is the only Sunni majority country to have Shia leaders

I dont think pumping Pakistani Shias against Sunni will be that easy given the fact that they live in same location unlike in Iraq where they live in seperate locations

 

[Silverblaze]

You are deeply mistaken because certain minorities are more loyal to iran than their own parents.
Saudi Arabia does not seek the imperial like influence in Pakistan unlike Iran..They are not forcing Pakistanis to wear thoob and speak Persian and follow the mullahs sitting in Riyadh. Saudi influence is more about economic and military integration and favour in regional balance.

Iranian on other hand seeks complete submission to mullahs in Tehran to the point these minorities becomes zombies waiting for instructions from tehran to execute the next fasad. They actively encourage their proxies to launder money and smuggle goods hurting our industry and economy. Certain elements of these proxies have gone as far as forming crime rackets to earn as much cash they can and launder it to tehran.



Iran want to destroy anything they can get their hands on because this is the only way mullahs can justify their tyranny...we are working for the cause of greater ummah...

Totally biased. KSA massively funds madrasas and universities and gives religious scholars certifications. Deobandi/wahabi influence is actually on the rise, especially in rural areas. Even vice chancellors of certain universities are appointed if they are favoured by KSA. Protests by pro-saudi forces during the yemen debate in islamabad is testimony to KSA investment in Pakistan.

Iran is now a serious challenge. It has been emboldened after the deal and wants to do exactly what KSA has been doing. Iran will now ask shia organizations to play the victim card and fund them and develop them as assets.

You will see many mureeds of KSA and iran coming up to portray the other as devil. The truth is hate for the other sect.

Dumb mureeds have to face the fact that both KSA and Iran have proxies in Pakistan.

 

[Ali Sinan]

Shias makeup 30% of our army and Pakistan

Sorry SIR only 5 to 8%.
Correct the facts.

 

[Silverblaze]

Actually that is what Zionism is. Jewish by race, secular by ideology. In case of MQM and PPP, the reason they support secular system is to avoid possible takeover of Islamic form of govt. Which in case of Pakistan, would be predominantly Sunni and might end up debating blasphemous books of Ayatollah Khomeini. May bring up Anti-Shahba beliefs of Shia in parliament. You know the Qadiyani story. They don't want to be the next in line.

PPP is and has been allied to JUI. Pakistan must not become a theocracy because Quaid prohibited it. Quaid e Azam is the leader of Pakistan not mullah omer.

Pakistan is the second biggest Shia country many of my relatives are Shias
Shias makeup 30% of our army and Pakistan is the only Sunni majority country to have Shia leaders

I dont think pumping Pakistani Shias against Sunni will be that easy given the fact that they live in same location unlike in Iraq where they live in seperate locations

Its very easy, we need to be vigilant. You can easily sense the friction in this very forum. Irans rise and KSAs massive funding is a major threat. Dumb mureeds are in huge quantity.

 

[!eon]

Nothing new in this news.

Iranian backed shia force are already operating all neighboring countries.

Their way of working is totally different from wahabi elements. They stay low, do their work and don't claim or accept any responsibility.
Recently Iranian mulla got mad when Russians made it public about using Iranian basis for attack in Syria. That's how Iranian mulla wants to hide every thing.

 

[Zibago]

PPP is and has been allied to JUI. Pakistan must not become a theocracy because Quaid prohibited it. Quaid e Azam is the leader of Pakistan not mullah omer.



Its very easy, we need to be vigilant. You can easily sense the friction in this very forum. Irans rise and KSAs massive funding is a major threat. Dumb mureeds are in huge quantity.

The founder of this country was Shia at worst what i see is sectarian elements killing each other i dont think Shias in Pakistan have the need or the capacity to pull something off like what happened in Iraq

 

[mike2000 is back]

KSA and Iran have been actively fighting for influence in Pakistan, but things seem to be going bad for both, as Pakistani nationalism is on the rise. Sectarianism is on its death throes, as people are increasingly suspicious of both Iran and Saudi Arabian funding and influence within the country.

Economically, Pakistan is going to be eclipse both Iran and KSA within the coming decades; If Iran and KSA don't halt their proxy war within Pakistan, it will not end well for either.

Pakistan eclipsing both Iran and Saudi Arabia? Lol

Anyway, I don't see anything wrong in this news article. Iran is merely protecting and furthering it's interests. You can't blame them for extending their influence and power. It's up to Pakistan to know how to protect its own Interests and sovereignty. The fact that Pakistan is under the influence of regional powerhouses like KSA and Iran shows your institutions/country is weak.

Iran has shown that it's a regional power with influence and proxies in almost all its neighbouring countries and even beyond. Plus they are internally stable(despite the Kurd insurgency) and have a stable political system(despite the religious Mullah cleric authoritarian stranglehold of power).
So I don't see anything wrong in what they are doing , as long as it serves their country's interests.

 

[!eon]

The founder of this country was Shia at worst what i see is sectarian elements killing each other i dont think Shias in Pakistan have the need or the capacity to pull something off like what happened in Iraq

No that's not correct about Qaid e Azam. A sunni scholar, and that too from Deoband, Shabir Ahmed Usmani led his janaza prayer and prayer was according to sunni janaza beliefs.

 

[Genghis khan1]

The founder of this country was Shia at worst what i see is sectarian elements killing each other i dont think Shias in Pakistan have the need or the capacity to pull something off like what happened in Iraq

He never practiced Shia'ism. Never advocated it. His last prayers were done by Sunni Imam.

Pakistan eclipsing both Iran and Saudi Arabia? Lol

Anyway, I don't see anything wrong in this news article. Iran is merely protecting and furthering it's interests. You can't blame them for extending their influence and power. It's up to Pakistan to know how to protect its own Interests and sovereignty. The fact that Pakistan is under the influence of regional powerhouses like KSA and Iran shows your institutions/country is weak.

Iran has shown that it's a regional power that have influence and proxies in almost all its neighbouring countries and even beyond. Plus they are internally stable(despite the Kurd insurgency) and have a stable political system(despite the religious Mullah cleric authoritarian stranglehold of power).
So I don't see anything wrong in what they are doing , as long as it serves their country's interests.

Iran and Saudis are using sectarian links to further their objectives. It's not Pakistan is weak but Pakistan don't want to involve into regional sectarian mess. None of their sectarian game is directed against Pakistan as a state. If either KSA or Iran were to be Pakistan adversaries, they would found out who is the real daddy. Whole world know, ISI has a PhD in these dirty game. That's why Saudis were requesting Pakistan's help, which Pakistan turned down.

 

[shah1398]

Time of end of proxies inside Pakistan is nearing as more and more people have started to reject the alignment with any other country at the cost of Pakistan. That is why we are seeing a push to registering Madaris all over the country and a systematic elimination of proxies like LeJ etc etc. Regarding student going on scholarships then Paksiatni students are going all over the world on scholarships so does it means that they would return as agent of that very country? Heck No.

 

[mike2000 is back]

He never practiced Shia'ism. Never advocated it. His last prayers were done by Sunni Imam.


Iran and Saudis are using sectarian links to further their objectives. It's not Pakistan is weak but Pakistan don't want to involve into regional sectarian mess. None of their sectarian game is directed against Pakistan as a state. If either KSA or Iran were to be Pakistan adversaries, they would found out who is the real daddy. Whole world know, ISI has a PhD in these dirty game. That's why Saudis were requesting Pakistan's help, which Pakistan turned down.

Saudis were requesting Pakistani soldiers to go fight and die for them, since they will rather not lose their valuable citizens.lol, has nothing to do with ISI capabilities or valuing Pakistan.

Moreover, it's a fact that Pakistan has weak institutions and a weak state(though it's also due to the several militants and Islamic extremists groups in the country). Since any country that can be influenced from inside by other regional powers and is powerless to stop it, means they are internally weak and unstable. I don't see for example Pakistan having any real influence in Iran or even KSA(apart from sending in soldiers/mercenaries paid for by the Saudi monarchs). Shows Iran(and even KSA) as a state is strong and stable.

 

[Zibago]

Saudis were requesting Pakistani soldiers to go fight and die for them, since they will rather not lose their valuable citizens.lol, has nothing to do with ISI capabilities or valuing Pakistan.

Moreover, it's a fact that Pakistan has weak institutions and a weak state(though it's also due to the several militants and Islamic extremists groups in the country). Since any country that can be influenced from inside by other regional powers and is powerless to stop it, means they are internally weak and unstable. I don't see for example Pakistan having any real influence in Iran or even KSA(apart from sending in soldiers/mercenaries paid for by the Saudi monarchs). Shows Iran(and even KSA) as a state is strong and stable.

Iran,s influence is grossly exagerated in Pakistan by certain Shia haters despite having the world second largest Shia population you dont see Shia Pakistanis waving Irani flags or creating hit squads like in Iraq

Pakistan,s sectarianism contrary to popular belief has nothing to do with Saudi-Iran tussle it started in 1996(or was it98) when shias did certain things in Jhang Punjab on that day now dead Malik Izhaq vowed to eliminate all Shias from Pakistan

But even before that during Zia,s era sectarianism was state policy of Zia who took out his grudges from partition of Punjab on the whole country by establishing a hardline theocracy all over Pakistan

Our sectarianism is a result of our own bad policies influence of foreigners is exageration and denial of a local issue