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Yes, but it ends up on generalizing the Shia of Pakistan. Shia are no perfect like any other nation, moles in every nation. But, generalization leads to Tutsi and Hutu type massacres ...When you talk to any American and you address " You American " he will stop you right there and ask you to address those who formulate the policy, not me.And BTW, shias of Pakistan are equal Pakistanis and I simply don't have anything against them. In fact I am a big fan because all great guys from sir agha khan to Quaid were Shia. So my posts against Iran should be taken against Iran, not Shia Pakistanis or shias of anywhere.
Other than shias no one is Pakistan is obsessed with Iran. You are way way down in our priorities list
but at the same time your establishment is recruiting my countrymen to fight for its interest
and those people are involved in terrorists activities.
Your land is being used by our enemy to launch spies.
It was not one off incident.
Your state exercise influence on these mujtahids through the Alma mater in Qum.
Well only a shia can answer on what basis they choose a particular marja and why they send Khums to Iran instead of distributing within Pakistan.
Thats an issue and I do consider that it's Pakistans fault that we let our Shia youth to fall in the hands of Iran. If a small group from our youth can destroy 2 countries, then what can we achieve if we just use our youth for constructive purposes.Yes, but it ends up on generalizing the Shia of Pakistan. Shia are no perfect like any other nation, moles in every nation. But, generalization leads to Tutsi and Hutu type massacres ...When you talk to any American and you address " You American " he will stop you right there and ask you to address those who formulate the policy, not me.
@fitpOsitive Bhai notice karo deemagh ki khelThe more sectarianists blow their Iran-themed cover when pushing their agenda, which in fact consists in targeting Pakistani Shias, and once they're done with them, to attack the Sunni Barelvis and other sufis, the more moderators here will be forced to intervene in order to avert conflicts between Pakistani users.
So in a sense, this increasing demonization of Shia Pakistanis can lead to much needed moderating action. Iran is merely a pretext for certain elements. They'll never get a chance to touch Iran, which is too powerful, and they know it. But will take their rabid hatred out on local Shia Muslim civilians instead, who represent far easier targets.
Isko kaha hai tum ne kaha Shia=/IranAnd BTW, shias of Pakistan are equal Pakistanis and I simply don't have anything against them. In fact I am a big fan because all great guys from sir agha khan to Quaid were Shia. So my posts against Iran should be taken against Iran, not Shia Pakistanis or shias of anywhere.
Don't pay heed to this foolish propaganda about Barelwis being targeted in Pakistan.Pakistan k sab politicians bralevi type nhi hain? Imran khan zardari nawaz all of them visit darbars
Daikho bhai, we declared qadianis non-Muslims. But qadianis fell into the hands of others. Similar was the case of shias. In Pakistan, Pakistani sunni Punjabi lehendai sentiment and established influence is so great that every other living thing on the soil of Pakistan feels threatened and insecure. And trust me, security is much needed and basic necessity of every human being.@fitpOsitive Bhai notice karo deemagh ki khel
Kah raha hey key jab Iran ko hamla sirf pretext hai, jub Faris meh hamla tog asal mein tum pey hamla hai
Salvation Sirf Iran ke saath hai, hum hi kher khwan hain tumharey is dunya main
Isko kaha hai tum ne kaha Shia=/Iran
Yeh dimagh ke khel Raha hai keh Iran= Shia
Saudis did the same thing in the 80s
have you considered that the people you think are fooled think as you guys as the ones who were tricked .I don't know either but your ayat ullahs are making fool of ordinary people in name of ehle byat.
put pressure on them , very simpleI don't know what type of proof you need and why a rich government destabilize itself by arresting someone only for few hundred thousand dollars who have large influence?
Again what I said in beginning of this thread and why we are arguing,
Your state use sect to destabilize other countries and further her agenda.
its not like thatIdeally what we want is marja should be Pakistani and money should remain within Pakistan. What I said earlier or tried to earlier in thread was Shim-e-imam go to Iran in dollar form and Shim-e-saddat remain in Pakistan and distributed in local syeds.
Khums is collected in rupees but then converted to dollars from local exchange companies. Amount remain below a certain threshold to avoid triggering of notifications and these dollars then sent to Iran which is later used pay expenses of proxies.
well here i see some serious issue that you must solve on your sidewe have one but for some reason my countrymen prefer ayatullahs of your country.
Taqia only is applicable and can be used if your life be in danger , wonder why some people forget that small technicality . they give the money to the representative of Marja in Pakistan , how can they knew what will happen with it ?I know how hundi and hawala works. What you are saying is ideal situation and what I am saying is money dos go to Iran through smuggling.
Ask any Pakistani shia in this forum that they should swear in name of Ali r.a and Hussain r.a that they will not lie or do taqiya and their khums money don't go to Iran.
And you will find your answer.
feel nothing , their own business as long as they work outside Iran and don't raise gun against IranianThank you for your honesty. Respect.
1 more question, how you will feel if saudi government try to recruit your citizen when they go for umra or hajj?
you overestimate that , to me they are loyal to an idea and they cooperate with us as long as we upheld that IdeaJust take the example of Iraq, they fought with you guys for 8 years, Hazrat Ali r.a is burried in Iraq. Karbala is in Iraq but still shias of that country is loyal to you and take orders from your government.
Just wow
you overestimate that , to me they are loyal to an idea and they cooperate with us as long as we upheld that IdeaJust take the example of Iraq, they fought with you guys for 8 years, Hazrat Ali r.a is burried in Iraq. Karbala is in Iraq but still shias of that country is loyal to you and take orders from your government.
Just wow
Wow Just WowIran destroyed Pakistans religious harmony. Killed thousands of ulama. Attacked Pakistans economic interests. Hijacked political parties like MQM(yes, people don't talk about it) and PPP. Helped Israel to keep Israel's proxy wars on Syria alive till Israel changed water flow from Iraq to sea of Galilee. Iran supported terror in Iraq against sunnis, also terror in Middle East.
Each second we were hearing that Iran will be attacked, but never got attacked. But in the process Iran destroyed many countries from within.
Mir Shakeel is sunni because his daughter is married to Jahangir Siddique son?If you don't know anything about Pakistani shia or anyone else, don't write. You are doing exactly what ex Gen Mohiuddin Haider said after his brother's death.... TTP/LEJ killed his brother because they thought he is Shia, the killer admit he thought he is Shia by name . Mir Shakeel is sunni ....... lol ....kahan kahan sa pakar ka lata hoo ....
Saudi govt is doing an excellent job in Pakistan. After losing thousands of Pakistani in the terrorist attacks from TTP /LEJ etc those who follow Saudi imported ideology, we can not dare to name Saudi massive funding in our madrassah
@Sainthood 101 ya tumhar sunnio ko bhi shia bol ka marwy ga .... lol
@waz what all this nonsense ..
Enjoy,Mir Shakeel is sunni because his daughter is marries Jahangir Siddique son?
Ask your other sources he is shia or sunni. And by the way other indicator is maharem when everything goes black.
Show me a madrassa which is funded by Saudia after afghan jihad and I will show you Imam bargah which was and is being funded by Iranians.
This thread should remain so we can talk about it, it's important
But dropping names like that is highly irresponsible, kuch bhi hi sakta is mulk mein darna chahiye... @*Awan*
Please don't do that and edit, don't make this a secterion crap show
This guy just made a marginalized groups targetted even dropping names this thread is not good for them and listen to haider and you are doing them unecessarily dirty.. Jeopardizing security of others
lol stop this BS, seculars support dahir and sons of soil while islamists don't, there might be come scholars who have this POVDon't worry. they are untouchables.
Example, why naming is important.
when somebody is abusing Muhammad Bin Qasim and arguing whom we should support?
an invader or son of soil Raja Dahir?
Then read the names of those persons who are abusing him what is common in them and why are they doing that?
Answer: Because a certain sect think he was here to hunt those ehle byat who ran from the persecution of Umayyads. remember MBQ was nephew of Hajjaj bin Yousef.
In order to avoid going in circles let ask a Pakistani shia directly, a person of your choice whom you think is very knowledgeable, sane and logicalhave you considered that the people you think are fooled think as you guys as the ones who were tricked .
the debate on this matter is more than 1400 years old and Only God knows the truth
put pressure on them , very simple
and in Bahrain Iran did zero intervention
no matter what zero evidence on any wrongdoing provided here
its not like that
well here i see some serious issue that you must solve on your side
You guys do taqia when ever there is fear of loss, loss can be of life, money, influence, reputation and prestige.Taqia only is applicable and can be used if your life be in danger , wonder why some people forget that small technicality . they give the money to the representative of Marja in Pakistan , how can they knew what will happen with it ?
and usually the money is smuggled out of Iran not inside Iran
Your tolerance threshold is very high. Unfortunately I won't accept that my countrymen get recruited by foreign intelligence agency during religious pilgrimage.feel nothing , their own business as long as they work outside Iran and don't raise gun against Iranian
good for you that whatever sherbat you are giving to them they are drinking it with passion.you overestimate that , to me they are loyal to an idea and they cooperate with us as long as we upheld that Idea