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Iran nuclear deal, 2018.

I stopped believing in the Holocaust when I discovered the Rudolf and Leuchter Reports, heh. As in, I don't believe the 6 million figure and the gas chambers part of it.

Back to the issue of the Iran deal, well it was always heavily overrated. Pundits with an obsession for IR-driven orthodoxy would probably have hailed it as a significant achievement and step toward 'healing Iran-US relations' but the truth of the matter is that the US and its puppets the GCC were heavily involved in attempting to topple the Syrian government since 2011. The importance of Syria as the connection between Iran and Hezbollah - the only thing that had prevented the takeover of Lebanon by Israel in 2006- was huge and Iran's adversaries were trying to cut Iran off from Syria. So I'd say the hostilities remained the same.

The deeper the analysis goes, the more irrelevant the JCPOA seems. In relative terms, that is.
 
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https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/09/politics/donald-trump-iran-lessons/index.html
Everything scrapping the Iran deal says about Donald Trump
Analysis by Stephen Collinson, CNN
Updated 0500 GMT (1300 HKT) May 9, 2018

Trump: US withdrawing from Iran deal 02:42
Washington (CNN)Donald Trump's exit from the Iran nuclear deal was one of the most significant moments of his presidency -- and cemented a sharp turn in decades of US foreign policy orthodoxy.

It also opened a new window into Trump's political soul, showing his willingness to unleash the kind of chaos abroad he has fomented at home.
The decision added context to his "America First" foreign policy doctrine and showed he is adamant about following through on campaign promises that horrified America's allies.
And it revealed two other pillars of the Trump presidency -- a propensity to turn even the most crucial moments into a global televised drama, and his ravenous desire to eradicate President Barack Obama from the history books.
Trump is the 'no Plan B' president
The most frequently heard criticism of Trump's decision was that he was pulling out of the deal without offering an plan for what will happen next.
"No one has any clue on the day after. There is no strategy," a senior European diplomat told CNN's Michelle Kosinski, describing the State Department as "a shambles."
But if anyone is shocked, they have missed Trump rolling the dice over the last 16 months.
The President fires people before he finds replacements, makes up policy on the fly, decided to meet North Korean leader Kim Jong Un seemingly on a whim, and slashed away at Obamacare without offering a replacement.
His legal gambits seem to come off the top of his head -- with or without Rudy Giuliani.
He follows his gut, doesn't sweat the details and thinks he's his own best adviser. He breaks things and sees where the pieces land.
His response when asked how dangerous global crises will end is "we'll see" -- an attitude that reflects his unpredictable nature and often misplaced confidence he can control careening events.
So what Trump did Tuesday should have come as no surprise. Pulling out of an Iranian nuclear deal without knowing how Tehran or America's allies will react or if global tensions will spike or if oil prices will surge is consistent with who Trump is.
His team could not say what they would do if Iran resumed enriching uranium or if there was a schism in the transatlantic relationship.
"We did not talk about a Plan B," a senior State Department official said.
If 'America First' means America alone -- so be it
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It was not the first time that Trump rejected multi-lateral solutions to the world's problems.
He pulled out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal and the Paris climate accord. He's torn at the system of international trade with disputes with China, Canada, Mexico and South Korea.
Trump clearly doesn't care what foreign elites and national security experts think -- his decision to move the US embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem is evidence of that.
That was his appeal to his voters and he's sticking with it.
Tuesday's move also shows that he's throwing in his lot with Middle East allies, such as Saudi Arabia and Israel, who want to crank up military and diplomatic pressure on Iran.
But he's also rejecting what much of Washington sees as America's global role.
"We are giving up our global leadership ... and I'm concerned, as are many of my colleagues," GOP Sen. Jeff Flake told CNN's Jake Tapper
But to Trump, leadership means he leads and the rest of the world follows.
Whether that is a credible basis for American diplomacy will be one of the most important questions answered by the rest of his presidency.
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Donald Trump -- keeper of promises

The President vowed to ditch the Paris deal and the TPP -- he did. He was against the Iran agreement even before he was a candidate and ended US participation.
Tuesday's decision was a reminder that nothing is as important to Trump as keeping faith with his supporters even if it means sparking global disruption.
It's not just a matter of honesty, it's about political survival since he has made little effort to reach beyond his base and needs huge turnouts to stave off the threat of a Democratic takeover of the House in November and to keep his job in 2020.
Of course, there are plenty of promises that Trump didn't keep. He vowed to build a health care system for everyone better than Obamacare, but has done little but undermine his predecessor's namesake law. His tax cut does far more for the wealthiest Americans than the blue collar voters he vowed to help.
Still, Trump will use his withdrawal from the Iran deal to convince his voters that he will never shatter the bond they share.
Facts don't seem to matter

Fact-checking Trump's Iran speech

The Iran announcement was quintessentially Trumpian.
He misrepresented the restrictions imposed by the Iran nuclear deal and suggested, against the testimony of his own intelligence agencies, that the Islamic Republic was already violating it.
For instance, he said that Iran was continuing to enrich uranium that would allow it eventually to build a bomb.
But under the deal, Tehran can enrich limited quantities of uranium up to 3.67% -- well below the 90% weapons grade uranium needed to build a bomb.
He also used Israeli intelligence about Iran's historic pursuit of the knowledge to make nuclear weapons to suggest to Americans not familiar with the deal that Tehran was not in compliance.
Trump also created his own alternative reality to suggest he would bring Tehran rushing back to the table begging for a deal that would be better for America.
"The fact is they are going to want to make a new and lasting deal. One that benefits all of Iran and the Iranian people," Trump said.
Given that America's European allies, and Russia and China plan to stick with the existing deal, leverage -- made of punitive multilateral sanctions -- that got Iran to the table during the Obama administration could be elusive for Trump.
Trump really hates Obama

Trump keeps up attacks on Obama over Russian meddling


It has been a reliable guide to the President's actions -- if Obama was for it he is against it.
Foreign diplomats said privately that one reason Trump hates the Iran deal was that it was the proudest foreign policy achievement of the Democratic president.
Obama Tuesday issued one of his most detailed statements since he left office.
"I hope that Americans continue to speak out in support the kind of strong, principled, fact-based and unifying leadership that can best secure our country and uphold our responsibilities around the globe," he wrote.
It was a clear shot at Trump's method and character as he joined a battle between the legacies of the 44th and 45th presidents that will echo long after they are both gone.
Trump the showman
Trump loves to be the star of the show.
He has welcomed pleading foreign leaders to his court and drip, drip, dripped tantalizing details about his decision on Iran for weeks.
He gathered himself behind the presidential podium on Tuesday, squaring his jaw and staring into the camera with the world on tenterhooks, relishing his leading role.
And as he wrapped up one long-running drama, he set the stage for his next, even more spectacular moment.
He revealed he had dispatched Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to North Korea to choreograph the next episode of the Trump show -- his mind-boggling summit with Kim.

Trump needs to be stopped.
 
It isn't Trump it's Israel. Whole world says keep the deal, Israel says scratch the deal, Trump follows Israel. Their entire political process and establishment are owned by Zionists.
 
Whatever Trump's and Netanyahu's reasons are for turning evil as they have in the past 2 weeks,

when i read the headlines at CNN,
i see that the Iranian government is doing the opposite of what it takes to prevent bombardments on their country which i predict are steered into a direction of regime change in Iran by the US.

if the Iranian government starts enriching nuclear material on any scale, if it does not unilaterally uphold every part of the Iran Nuclear deal, then it gives the US government all the idealogical ammunition it needs to convince it's own people and too many people elsewhere in the world, that Iran deserves to get bombed / regime-change.

Trump has installed puppets, yes-men, all over his foreign policy ministeries.
Both Trump and Netanyahu have strong personal reasons to start a war to stay in power, because both faced domestic scrutiny about this and that, so much scrutiny their jobs are on the line.
For the first time, i'm not sure at all if i can stop the mass-media momentum building up in the West to attack / regime-change Iran.

This is completely evil ofcourse, by both Trump and Netanyahu. if they start a war against Iran, while having plenty of options to keep Iran peaceful and get it to let go of their militant activities outside their borders, then both (and all their (political) lieutenants) deserve to spend the rest of eternity in God's Hell. But that's just my opinion, God is the Judge, not me.

What i advise the Iranians to do is simply to uphold every end of the Iran nuclear deal unilaterally, to pull back all of their troops and military gear that are currently outside their borders, and as sanctions start to hit the Iranian economy, to advertise that to the world in live-blog format.
This way, you give the US and Israel the least permission possible to attack you and your people.
You will not win a war against the US or Israel. You will not be able to reach Israeli cities.
The US and Israel simply have better and more military gear, *and* better military planners.

I don't know if there are any wise men with cool heads left in the Iranian leaderships.
But your best option is to do as i describe here, and get all your hawks to stay silent.
This is not about swallowing your pride, Iranians. It's about being smarter than your attackers.

It was the media-coverage that got the US to retreat from Vietnam.
It might be media-coverage that prevents a war on Iran, *if* the Iranian leaderships start making the right statements.
Admitting you're militarily weaker, does not make you a weak people. It makes you a realistic people, and that's smart, and smart is strong. Advertise that to your own Iranian hawks and your own Iranian people, and you stand a good chance to avoid the bombs dropping on you.

Continue on your current course, Iranian leaderships, and i predict that the EU will be forced by the US to participate in the strikes against Iran that they are steering this conflict towards.

You could say that a war with the US is worth it because it will mobilize the (Muslim) world against the US.
But you as leaders are supposed to bring peace and prosperity to your people. Not the misery of war.
 
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I suspected (and warned) for years when US-Saudi-Israeli nexus will be done with Iraq, it will set its eyes on Iran.

Iranian members used to boast about Iranian military prowess and how they have defeated US in the Middle East and vice versa - some still do. However, the clock is ticking.

Iran should have kept its distance from Syria but Iranian mullahs are not known to be calculative. Some people just don't learn.
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-sanctions-nuclear-deal-juncker-a8358001.html

EU unveils plans to block Donald Trump's sanctions against Iran


Leaders approve 'blocking clause' to protect European companies

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Donald Trump has pulled the US out of the Iran nuclear deal and unveiled new sanctions Evan Vucci/AP
Brussels has unveiled details of measures that would block American sanctions against European companies trying to do business with Iran, in a bid to head off Donald Trump’s new economic assault on the Middle Eastern county.

The US president announced the re-introduction of the anti-Iran sanctions as he confirmed US was breaking the international deal designed to put a stop to the country’s nuclear programme – with the end to sanctions as a reward for compliance.

Mr Trump’s administration has not ruled out hitting European companies that trade with Iran with its new measures, so the EUhas now responded by updating a “blocking statue” originally meant to circumvent a the US embargo against Cuba in the 1990s.


It's 'possible' US will sanction European firms that deal with Iran
The move would prohibit EU-based companies from complying with the US sanctions, and provide compensation if they were affected by American penalties against them.

“As long as the Iranians respect their commitments, the EU will of course stick to the agreement of which it was an architect - an agreement that was unanimously ratified by the United Nations Security Council and which is essential for preserving peace in the region and the world,” Jean-Claude Juncker, the European Commission president, said on Friday morning.

“But the American sanctions will not be without effect. So we have the duty, the Commission and the European Union, to do what we can to protect our European businesses, especially small and medium enterprises.”

The European Parliament and European Council will be allowed to scrutinise the new policy; it was unanimously by EU heads of state and government at a summit in Sofia this week. The original blocking clause was never actually used when it first drawn up to circumvent the US’s anti-Cuba embargo in 1996.

We have the duty, the Commission and the European Union, to do what we can to protect our European businesses
Jean-Claude Juncker, European Commission president
The EU has also announced that the financial might of the European Investment Bank will be brought to bear to back EU projects in Iran, and that “one-off” transfers to Iran’s central bank would be explored. Energy commissioner Miguel Arias Cañete will alsovisit the Iranian capital of Tehran this weekend to explore the possibility of more financial development assistance to Iran.

The measures all represent an attempt to save the Iran nuclear deal, known officially as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPoA). Even before Mr Trump pulled the US out of the deal, Iran complained that the 2015 deal was not yielding the expected economic benefits. Iran and the deal’s other signatories, the UK, Germany, France, EU, China, and Russia, all say they want the agreement to continue and that the US does not have the power to terminate it unilaterally.




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On the Iranian side the deal was seen as a triumph for Hassan Rouhani, the country’s president, who is seen as straddling the Islamic Republic’s moderate and reformist factions. Mr Rouhani had to face down hard-liners on his own side to sign the deal, who opposed reconciliation with the US.

The deal is equally politicised in the US, where it is seen as a major legacy of Barack Obama’s foreign policy. The deal is also staunchly opposed by Israel, a key US ally in the region.

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The dispute over the JCPoA is running parallel to another row between the US and EU over steel and aluminimum tarrifs that Mr Trump plans to impose on EU and other countries' imports. The EU has said it will negotiate with Mr Trump to improve US companies' access to European markets, but only if he first pledges to permanently exempt Europe from the sanctions.

Boris Johnson and his European counterparts met with Iranian foreign minister Mohammad Javad Zarif in Brussels this week in an attempt to find a way forward.

Under the deal Iran agreed to dramatically cut its enriched uranium stockpiles and its capacity to enrich uranium in the future. The IAEA gained full access to Iranian nuclear facilities under the deal to monitor its implementation. In exchange, the other countries agreed to lift sanctions.


excellent news :)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...transfers-to-beat-u-s-sanctions-idUSKCN1IJ100

EU considers Iran central bank transfers to beat U.S. sanctions

Robin Emmott
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BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The European Commission is proposing that EU governments make direct money transfers to Iran’s central bank to avoid U.S. penalties, an EU official said, in what would be the most forthright challenge to Washington’s newly reimposed sanctions.


FILE PHOTO: European Union flags flutter outside the EU Commission headquarters in Brussels, Belgium, March 12, 2018. REUTERS/Yves Herman/File Photo
The step, which would seek to bypass the U.S. financial system, would allow European companies to repay Iran for oil exports and repatriate Iranian funds in Europe, a senior EU official said, although the details were still to be worked out.

The European Union, once Iran’s biggest oil importer, is determined to save the nuclear accord, that U.S. President Donald Trump abandoned on May 8, by keeping money flowing to Tehran as long as the Islamic Republic complies with the 2015 deal to prevent it from developing an atomic weapon.

“Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has proposed this to member states. We now need to work out how we can facilitate oil payments and repatriate Iranian funds in the European Union to Iran’s central bank,” said the EU official, who is directly involved in the discussions.

The U.S. Treasury announced on Tuesday more sanctions on officials of the Iranian central bank, including Governor Valiollah Seif,. But the EU official said the bloc believes that does not sanction the central bank itself.

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European Energy Commissioner Miguel Arias Canete will discuss the idea with Iranian officials in Tehran during his trip this weekend, the EU official said. Then it will be up to EU governments to take a final decision.

EU leaders in Sofia this week committed to uphold Europe’s side of the 2015 nuclear deal, which offers sanctions relief in return for Tehran shutting down its capacity, under strict surveillance by the U.N. nuclear watchdog, to stockpile enriched uranium for a possible atomic bomb.

SANCTIONS-BLOCKING LAW


Other measures included renewing a sanctions-blocking measure to protect European businesses in Iran.

The Commission said in a statement it had “launched the formal process to activate the Blocking Statute by updating the list of U.S. sanctions on Iran falling within its scope,” referring to an EU regulation from 1996.

The EU’s blocking statute bans any EU company from complying with U.S. sanctions and does not recognize any court rulings that enforce American penalties. It was developed when the United States tried to penalize foreign companies trading with Cuba in the 1990s, but has never been formally implemented.

EU officials say they are revamping the blocking statute to protect EU companies against U.S. Iran-related sanctions, after the expiry of 90- and 180-day wind-down periods that allow companies to quit the country and avoid fines.

A second EU official said the EU sanctions-blocking regulation would come into force on Aug.5, a day before U.S. sanctions take effect, unless the European Parliament and EU governments formally rejected it.


“This has a strong signaling value, it can be very useful to companies but it is ultimately a business decision for each company to make (on whether to continue to invest in Iran),” the official said.

Once Iran’s top trading partner, the EU has sought to pour billions of euros into the Islamic Republic since the bloc, along with the United Nations and United States, lifted blanket economic sanctions in 2016 that had hurt the Iranian economy.

Iran’s exports of mainly fuel and other energy products to the EU in 2016 jumped 344 percent to 5.5 billion euros ($6.58 billion) compared with the previous year.

EU investment in Iran, mainly from Germany, France and Italy, has jumped to more than 20 billion euros since 2016, in projects ranging from aerospace to energy.

Other measures proposed by the Commission, the EU executive, include urging EU governments to start the legal process of allowing the European Investment Bank to lend to EU projects in Iran.


Under that plan, the bank could guarantee such projects through the EU’s common budget, picking up part of the bill should they fail or collapse. The measure aims to encourage companies to invest.

Reporting by Robin Emmott; Editing by Alastair Macdonald and Jon Boyle

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EU fails to keep European companies trading with Iran after US sanctions
EU efforts to continue trading with Iran despite the reimposition of US sanctions looked to be crumbling on Thursday. (AFP)
Updated 17 May 2018
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  • EU efforts to continue trading with Iran despite the reimposition of US sanctions looked to be crumbling
  • Analysts said that the reach of the US financial system and the risk of losing business in the huge North American market made non-compliance impossible for many firms
LONDON: EU efforts to continue trading with Iran despite the reimposition of US sanctions looked to be crumbling on Thursday despite a fresh plea by French President Emmanuel Macron.
Speaking at the EU-Western Balkans Summit in Sofia, Bulgaria, Macron said that Europe would try to protect European companies with Iranian business interests despite the threat of US retaliation when sanctions bite later this year.
President Donald Trump last week suspended US participation in an accord brokered by President Barack Obama that eased sanctions in return for Tehran scrapping its nuclear weapons program.
“We’ve had a vibrant discussion on Iran. The 2015 nuclear agreement is a crucial element of peace and security in the region. We have opted to support it whatever the US decides to do,” said the French president on arrival at the Sofia summit. “We have pledged to take necessary political steps for our companies to stay in Iran,” he told reporters.
But with French oil company Total saying it will up sticks if the US does not grant it a waiver and the world’s largest container shipping firm Moller-Maersk saying it would quit the country, Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel appear to be fighting an uphill battle.
Analysts said that the reach of the US financial system and the risk of losing business in the huge North American market made non-compliance impossible for many firms.
The EU cannot compel or really protect the private sector, Bjarne Schieldrop, an oil analyst at Scandinavian broker SEB, told the Financial Times. He said that this would undermine European efforts to keep the nuclear deal alive.
“Total’s action . . . backs up the idea that no one sees an easy solution here and that there is little expectation of US leniency. Whatever the politicians in Europe are saying, the private companies are just pulling out and folding the cards,” he said.
On Wednesday, French energy giant Total said it would withdraw from an Iranian gas deal before the end of the year unless it gets a
waiver.
In a statement, Total said: “We will not continue the SP11 (South Pars 11) gas project and will have to unwind all related operations before Nov. 4, 2018, unless Total is granted a specific project waiver by US authorities with the support of the French and European authorities.”
The SP11 agreement was signed last July, making Total the first major Western energy company to invest in iran since sanctions were lifted in 2016. Now, though, Total is worried that it would be sanctioned by the US authorities if it kept dealing with Iran. The potential penalties from Washington simply look unpalatable.
British Prime Minister Theresa May agreed with the leaders of Germany and France on Thursday to uphold the Iran nuclear deal after meeting on the sidelines of the EU summit in Bulgaria, Reuters reported. “The leaders reiterated their firm commitment to ensuring the deal is upheld, stressing that it is important for our shared security,” a spokeswoman for May said.
“They pledged to work with the many parties to the deal to this end … and stressed that Iran must continue to meet its own obligations under the deal,” she added.
Maersk CEO Soren Skou said: “With the sanctions the Americans are to impose, you can’t do business in Iran if you also have business in the US, and we have that on a large scale.”
“I don’t know the exact timing details, but I am certain that we’re also going to shut down (in Iran),” Skou told Reuters in an interview following Maersk’s first-quarter earnings.
EU powers to ban banks in the bloc from complying with US sanctions on Iran would be of “limited” use given the global reach of finance, said EU financial services chief Valdis Dombrovskis.
“Indeed the EU blocking regulation could be of limited effectiveness there, given the international nature of the banking system and especially the exposure of large systemic banks to US financial system and US dollar transactions,” Dombrovskis told the European Parliament.
Bloomberg reported that Iran planned to sign a $1.16 billion agreement with the UK’s Pergas Resources International to work on a southern oil field. Pergas and state-run National Iranian South Oil Co. will sign a “heads of agreement” to develop the Karanj oil field in Khuzestan province, the National Iranian Oil Co. said. Pergas Resources would provide oil field services. No US money or companies were involved, said Pergas CEO Clint Elgar.

not all bumps on this road have been cleared yet unfortunately :(

i'm not sure what if anything i can do to help keep western companies in business in Iran.
 
i don't normally do this, and i don't know if it's within forum rules, but the entry-point i'm about to post here for my account peacefan on usmessageboard.com, is quite relevant for the audiences on this forum.

i think i have been able to halt the support people from the US are able to give to Trump and Netanyahu for their new warmongering against Iran, at least on that forum.
in the past, this has proven enough to get the Iran deal going and in place,
but i must admit i'm not certain that i can do that again,
given how Trump has 'fortified' his foreign policy positions (people holding jobs in high-level US foreign policy making).

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/19965203/
 
Pompeo from the USA is to make his first big speech today, about Iran, in which he reportedly will try to get a coalition going against Iran.

i'll be watching it, and probably not like what he has to say,
and then i have to wait and see what the US media makes of this, not just CNN by the way.
after that i need maybe a few hours to determine my own opinion vs the latest US policy statement about Iran.

since this is a pretty big speech in terms of determining direction for this serious conflict,
i have no choice but to spend time and energy on this.

i don't want to see a repeat of the suffering that the Iraqis and the Libyans had/have to endure.


https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/20/politics/pompeo-iran-speech-scenesetter/index.html
Pompeo set to unveil US "Plan B" to confront Iran
By Nicole Gaouette and Laura Koran, CNN
Updated 1846 GMT (0246 HKT) May 20, 2018
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Washington (CNN)Secretary of State Mike Pompeo will unveil the administration's "Plan B" for countering Iran on Monday, an idea that some critics call a "pipe dream," while others question whether the administration is coming clean on its goals for the country.

The plan, administration officials say, is to assemble a global coalition to pressure Iran into negotiations on "a new security architecture" that goes beyond its nuclear program. Pompeo's address, his first major foreign policy speech as secretary, will take place at 9 a.m., ET, at the conservative Heritage Foundation policy group.
"We need a new framework that's going to address the totality of Iran's threats," Brian Hook, the State Department's director of policy planning told reporters Friday. "This involves a range of things around its nuclear program - missiles, proliferating missiles and missile technology, its support for terrorists, and its aggressive and violent activities that fuel civil wars in Syria and Yemen."
But many former officials, foreign diplomats and analysts are skeptical, both of the chances a broader pact can come together, and of the administration's interest in diplomacy with Iran.
"A pipe dream"
"A bigger, better deal is a pipe dream," said Robert Einhorn, a former State Department official and non-proliferation expert who is now a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. Speaking at a Brookings event on Iran, Einhorn argued that, "the real objective is not really a bigger, better, deal, the real objective is to put immense pressure on Iran" to weaken the regime.
Einhorn added that, "the not so hidden objective of certain members of the administration is regime change."
US officials say the White House will aim to roll back Iran's influence in the region through this new maximum pressure campaign. But people close to the administration say the end goal of the new plan seems to vary depending on who is doing the talking.
Officials such as national security adviser John Bolton would be happy to see a pressure campaign end in regime change, while Pompeo belongs to a camp that has felt it might be too soon for that, said a source familiar with the secretary's thinking. What they hope for, this person and others said, is that a pressure campaign could force Iran to pull back from regional activities in Syria, Yemen and elsewhere, to focus on domestic stability.

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Bolton: US will impose all pre-deal Iran sanctions 03:05
Pompeo will flesh out the administration's vision for Iran almost two weeks after President Donald Trump pulled the US out of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Agreement, as the deal is formally known, re-imposed sanctions that had been lifted under the pact, and announced new ones against Iran's Central Bank.
Hook, in previewing Pompeo's speech, emphasized the role those sanctions will play in pushing Iran back to the table.
"By reimposing the sanctions that were lifted under the JCPOA, that will bring economic pressure to bear on Iran," said Hook. "It was economic pressure that brought the Iranians to the table a few years ago."
But the decision to pull out of the deal, along with the Trump administration's approach to Europe, means sanctions might not be as effective this time, making it all the harder to realize the goal of a broader deal, many analysts said.


Trump's nuclear decision is bleak news for Americans held in Iran

A maximum pressure campaign requires a unified coalition, they argue. Russia and China aren't particularly inclined to help out with a second Iran nuclear deal, having voiced their displeasure at the US decision to leave the original agreement.
And Trump's rejection of the JCPOA has left close allies in Europe angry and alienated, particularly as he has told them that the US will sanction their companies should they continue to honor contracts with Iranian businesses.
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That declaration has deepened European uneasiness about the administration's commitment to the trans-Atlantic relationship, particularly as Trump is already threatening tariffs against key European industries, a decision due June 1.
And it has created resentment due to a perception of US bullying, as Trump administration officials explain that when faced with the prospect of US sanctions, Europe will buckle under and choose the US over small agreements with Iran.
Einhorn predicted that, "new sanctions won't be as crippling as those put in place in 2012," when the Obama administration was working on the Iran deal, in part because other countries "strongly oppose" Trump's decision to abrogate the deal.
"Other countries will defy or ignore sanctions, and look for work arounds," Einhorn said.
Indeed, European leaders have already said they are working on enacting a statute that protects European companies that continue to do business with Iran. They are also looking at having the European Investment Bank provide a funding stream for Iran's Central Bank.

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"It's hard to overstate how angry and resentful the Europeans are," said Suzanne Maloney, deputy director of the Brookings' program on Foreign Policy.
Hook told reporters that, "people are overstating the disagreements between the US and Europe," and that these reports are overblown. "We agree with the Europeans on much, much more than we disagree on," he insisted.
Many analysts have asked why Iran, Europe, or countries such as North Korea should trust the US in general or this administration in particular to be a reliable interlocutor if it is willing to walk away from established agreements.
Others, such as Maloney, and former Obama administration officials and foreign diplomats involved in the Iran talks, say it would have been impossibly unwieldy to negotiate a deal that encompassed all the issues the US and Europe had with Iran.
Hook was asked why the administration thought it could convince Tehran to engage again, particularly at a time when its officials - Pompeo, Trump, Bolton and US Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley - have been excoriating the country's leaders.
Hook spoke generally about Iranian dissatisfaction with their regime and "with a lot of the policies of the regime which have not helped the Iranian people."
Maloney, an Iran expert, says that internal unrest in Iran, partly due to the struggling economy, means that it is "an incredibly explosive time" in the country right now. But she adds that Trump's decision to leave the deal means Iranian people now "have an address for their problems" and that people will likely "rally around the flag."
Some observers, such as Trita Parsi, the president of the National Iranian American Council, don't believe the administration is negotiating in good faith, particularly as Bolton is on the record, speaking a year ago to an Iranian dissident group, advocating an overthrow of Iran's government.
"What I'm seeing is a strategy to drive this toward a major confrontation," Parsi said. "What I think the Trump administration is doing is putting the pieces into place to have a major confrontation with Iran."
Others say that regardless of the administration's goals, the chances of miscalculation, especially with Israel and Saudi Arabia urging Trump to confront Tehran, are high.
"We could very easily see ourselves in a military confrontation in the near future," said Bruce Riedel, director of Brookings' Intelligence Project.
CNN's Zachary Cohen contributed to this report

"A bigger, better deal is a pipe dream," said Robert Einhorn, a former State Department official and non-proliferation expert who is now a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. Speaking at a Brookings event on Iran, Einhorn argued that, "the real objective is not really a bigger, better, deal, the real objective is to put immense pressure on Iran" to weaken the regime.
Einhorn added that, "the not so hidden objective of certain members of the administration is regime change."

Maloney, an Iran expert, says that internal unrest in Iran, partly due to the struggling economy, means that it is "an incredibly explosive time" in the country right now. But she adds that Trump's decision to leave the deal means Iranian people now "have an address for their problems" and that people will likely "rally around the flag."
Some observers, such as Trita Parsi, the president of the National Iranian American Council, don't believe the administration is negotiating in good faith, particularly as Bolton is on the record, speaking a year ago to an Iranian dissident group, advocating an overthrow of Iran's government.
"What I'm seeing is a strategy to drive this toward a major confrontation," Parsi said. "What I think the Trump administration is doing is putting the pieces into place to have a major confrontation with Iran."
Others say that regardless of the administration's goals, the chances of miscalculation, especially with Israel and Saudi Arabia urging Trump to confront Tehran, are high.
"We could very easily see ourselves in a military confrontation in the near future," said Bruce Riedel, director of Brookings' Intelligence Project.

"We could very easily see ourselves in a military confrontation in the near future," said Bruce Riedel, director of Brookings' Intelligence Project.

i hate having to spend my time on this, but i think after the mess created in Libya and Iraq by the US, the US has lost it's right to impose regime-change upon countries with which it is in the kinds of conflicts that patience and smart diplomacy and *smart* sanctions programs (ones that dont target the entire economy but just the rich and the powerful in a country) can stabilize.
who cares if you have to return to the negotiations table every 5 or 10 years to keep an Iran Nuclear Deal intact? there might be less domestic-political points to be scored in the short term than with a regime-change mission, but in the long term it's much better for one's legacy and karma point balance.

regime-change is a far more violent, and politically speaking equally messy (especially in the range of 10 to 30 years into the future), option.
 
i'm Dutch and my lineage is Dutch + a bit of German ancestry.
and i don't go to the iran defence forum.
nor any iran subforum on defence.pk

and i dont brag either
your IQ must be on the same level as the average dutch girls who date foreigners.
 
@timmy_area51 your comment is going to get ignored of course.

well, i saw the speech of Pompeo,
and all of the demands by the US are in fact reasonable.

however, the Iranian government and their defenders are going to feel much different about it.

in effect, the Iranian government is probably going to hand the US all it needs to move towards regime change.

and the Europeans will probably not support Iran instead of their NATO alliance, and rightfully so.
after all, Iran is causing a lot of strife, fear, and suffering, in the Middle East.

and the Russians and the Chinese might do business with Iran, but they are not going to defend Iran against regime-change by NATO either.

so it's going to get worse for the Iranians before it gets better (much like in Iraq and Libya),
but ultimately that *is* the choice of their government, who *could* choose to be peaceful neighbors, but who choose to engage in futile imperialism attempts instead.
 
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...rope-follow-demands-deal-180523194814152.html

Supreme leader: Europe must follow demands or deal's off
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei issues demands to be met or Iran will re-start enriching uranium for nuclear programme.

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Ayatollah Ali Khamenei speaks at a meeting with officials in Tehran on Wednesday [Office of the Iranian Supreme Leader via AP]
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Iran's supreme leader has set out conditions for Tehran to stay in its nuclear deal with world powers, including steps by to be taken by European banks to safeguard trade with Tehran after the US withdrawal from the deal.

European powers must continue buying crude oil, protect Iranian oil sales from US pressure and promise to not seek new negotiations on Iran's ballistic missile programme and Middle East activities, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's official website said on Wednesday.

"European banks should safeguard trade with the Islamic Republic. We do not want to start a fight with these three countries [France, Germany and Britain], but we don't trust them either," Khamenei said.

"Europe should fully guarantee Iran's oil sales. In case Americans can damage our oil sales … Europeans should make up for that and buy Iranian oil."

He warned if the Europeans did not meet these demands, Iran would resume its enrichment of uranium, halted under the deal to minimise the risk of Tehran developing the means to build nuclear weapons.

European powers see the accord as the best chance of stopping Tehran from acquiring a nuclear weapon.

Khamenei said that, over the past two years, the United States "has repeatedly violated" the nuclear deal while the Europeans remained silent. He asked Europe to "make up for that silence" and to "stand up against the US sanctions".

'Theatrical show'
WATCH: Iranians fear war of words with US could trigger conflict (3:22)
Khamenei also fired a new broadside at Washington's rejection of the landmark 2015 nuclear agreement, saying the Islamic Republic could not deal with a country that failed to keep its commitments.

In his first public remarks since US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo demanded Iran make sweeping policy changes, Khamenei expressed disgust at what he suggested was the casual and boastful way the Trump administration abandoned the accord.

"The Islamic Republic cannot deal with a government that easily violates an international treaty, withdraws its signature, and in a theatrical show brags about its withdrawal on television," he said.

"The current US president will meet the same fate as his predecessors, Bush and the neoconservatives and Reagan, and will vanish from history."

Khamenei did not directly address remarks made by Pompeo on Monday that threatened Iran with"the strongest sanctions in history" if it did not curb its regional influence, accusing Tehran of supporting armed groups in countries such as Syria, Lebanon and Yemen.

Pompeo on Wednesday told a House Foreign Affairs Committee hearing the administration intended to work with "as many partners, friends and allies as possible" to stop what he described as all of Tehran's nuclear and non-nuclear threats.



WATCH
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Why is Donald Trump against the Iran nuclear deal?
War drums beating?
Fears have been raised by pundits in recent days that a military confrontation could play out after the US withdrawal from the nuclear deal and its imposition of new sanctions on Iran.

A senior Iranian military official, Major-General Mohammad Bagheri, said Iran would not bow to Washington's pressure to limit its military activities. The US "does not have the courage for military confrontation and face-to-face war with Iran", he said.

On Tuesday, the US imposed new sanctions against officials of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps for allegedly providing ballistic missile-related expertise to Houthi rebels in Yemen.

The elite IRGC said in a Wednesday statement: "The American leaders ... have got this message that if they attack Iran, they will encounter a fate similar to that of Saddam Hussein."

Hussein was overthrown in a US-led invasion of neighbouring Iraq in 2003; however, the US failed to rebuild the country as promised and thousands of American soldiers were killed in years of rebellion.

COUNTING THE COST

US pullout from Iran deal: Who will pay the economic price?


SOURCE: AL JAZEERA AND NEWS AGENCIES

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/24/asia/iran-china-germany-nuclear-intl/index.html

China, Germany to stay in Iran nuclear deal as Khamenei lists demands
By Jamie Tarabay, CNN

Updated 0715 GMT (1515 HKT) May 24, 2018
Pompeo: Obama's nuclear deal a "loser"
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Pompeo: Obama's nuclear deal a "loser" 02:38
(CNN)In comments likely to frustrate the White House, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said Germany and China will stand by the existing nuclear accord with Iran, even as the US has withdrawn and expects its European allies to follow suit.

Merkel made the statement during a joint news conference with Chinese Premier Li Keqiang in Beijing, Reuters has reported.
Her remarks come hours after Iran's leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, issued a set of demands to European powers in which he voiced skepticism that they would remain committed to the 2015 deal. He also warned that Iran would restart its nuclear activities if they failed to act swiftly.
"The heads of European countries say different things. For our economy, we cannot rely on JCPOA and the Europeans," Khamenei said in statements that were published on his official website. He was referring to the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, otherwise known as the Iran nuclear accord.
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Khamenei said the JCPOA could only continue if the Europeans fulfill six conditions including: Promising not to ask Iran about its ballistic missile program or its regional activities; guaranteeing that Iran's oil will continue to be sold and compensating for any losses and buying any remainining stock; and having European banks guarantee financial transactions with Iran.
"If the Europeans linger over our demands, Iran has the right to resume its nuclear activities," Khamenei continued. "When we see that the JCPOA is useless, one way forward is to restart those halted activities."
The US was like Tom in "Tom and Jerry"
Khamenei said Iran had learned its lessons and could no longer "interact with the US." Speaking with Iranian government officials on Wednesday, Khamenei said the US had "plotted various political, economic, military and propaganda schemes against the Islamic Republic," all aimed at overthrowing the regime.
"All their plots have failed .... just like Tom from the well-known Tom and Jerry cartoon; and they will fail again in the future."
Khamenei and other Iranian officials have been on the attack since US President Donald Trump withdrew from the Iranian nuclear accord on May 9 this year. Trump had long excoriated the deal, claiming it didn't go far enough in deterring Iran's ambitions in the Middle East, or doing anything to curb its ballistic missile program.
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Iran's foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, told reporters in Tehran on Wednesday that Iranian support in Middle Eastern countries was only there because those countries had requested it.
"As long as these governments want us to maintain our presence we will help, and the aids we provide is to the benefit of the entire world," Zarif said.
Iran has funded and equipped proxy forces in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq, as well as Houthi rebels in Yemen who are fighting pro-government forces. It has also provided for Shia militias and their commanders and politicians in neighboring Iraq. Rockets fired into Saudi Arabia from Yemen are reported to have been supplied to the rebels by Iran. And Israel has sustained attacks along its borders with Lebanon and Syria from Iranian-supported forces.
'We didn't create the list, they did'
Khamenei and Zarif were also reacting to comments from US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who on Monday gave his first policy speech after assuming the role of the country's top diplomat.
He set out at least 12 conditions for Iran to meet if it wanted to avoid the painful "sting of sanctions" that would include "unprecedented financial pressure."
Pompeo threatens US will 'crush' Iran through sanctions and pressure campaign
Pompeo threatens US will 'crush' Iran through sanctions and pressure campaign
Among Pompeo's demands: Iran allowing a full account and verification of its nuclear program and the permanent and verifiable abandonment of it; an end to enrichment; access for the International Atomic Energy Agency into all weapons sites across Iran; the end of ballistic missile proliferation, the release of all detained US citizens; and the end of its support to militant groups including Hamas in the Gaza Strip and Hezbollah in Lebanon.
"The length of the list is simply a scope of the malign behavior of Iran," Pompeo said in his speech at conservative think tank the Heritage Foundation in Washington DC. "We didn't create the list, they did."
Now, pressure on allies
When it comes to Iran's demands, it insists that its oil sales continue unperturbed regardless of the impact of whatever sanctions the US might impose. Right now, the biggest consumer of Iran's oil is China. And with Li standing beside Merkel as she declared the two nations would remain committed to the deal, those sales seem less in doubt.
In his comments on Monday Pompeo said he expected not only "European friends" to support the US strategy, "but much more than that."
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"I want the Australians, the Bahrainis, the Egyptians, the Indians, the Japanese, the Jordanians, the Kuwaitis, the Omanis, the Qataris, the Saudi Arabians, South Korea, the UAE and many, many others worldwide to join in this effort," he said.
But so far, the responses have been muted. The Europeans and other world leaders had urged the White House not to walk away from the deal.
Along with Merkel, the leaders of Europe and the European Union have said they intend to stick to the deal, while leaders in Russia and Turkey criticized the US decision. Votes of support are few, and have so far come from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, as well as the leaders of Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

also note : the US military got it's biggest defense bugdet increase in years.

i suspect, the US got prepared early on for regime-change missions in both North-Korea and Iran, possibly at the same time.
i honestly believe that is what their capability will be, or will be shortly.
 
https://ellison.house.gov/media-cen...there-is-no-authorization-for-use-of-military

U.S. House Makes Clear That There is No Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iran



May 24, 2018

Press Release



A bipartisan amendment introduced by Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN) and cosponsored by Reps. Barbara Lee (D-CA), Ro Khanna (D-CA), Jan Schakowsky (D-IL), Jim McGovern (D-MA) and Walter Jones (R-NC) passed the U.S. House as part of the National Defense Authorization Act of 2019

WASHINGTON —On Tuesday night, the House unanimously passed an amendment making clear Congress’s position that no law exists which gives the President power to launch a military strike against Iran. Today, that amendment passed the U.S. House as part of the National Defense Authorization Act of 2019.

“The unanimous passage of this bipartisan amendment is a strong and timely counter to the Trump administration’s withdrawal from the Iran deal and its increasingly hostile rhetoric,” Rep. Ellison said. “This amendment sends a powerful message that the American people and Members of Congress do not want a war with Iran. Today, Congress acted to reclaim its authority over the use of military force.”

“I am pleased with the inclusion of this amendment, which clarifies that the President does not have the authority to go to war with Iran,” said Congresswoman Lee. “Just weeks after President Trump shamefully pulled out of the Iran Deal, it is more important than ever to ensure diplomacy with Iran and in the region. I am proud to be a cosponsor of this important amendment and will do everything in my power to ensure we do not go to war with Iran.”

“The War Powers Act and Constitution is clear that our country’s military action must first always be authorized by Congress. A war with Iran would be unconstitutional and costly. The unanimous passage of Rep. Ellison’s amendment sends a strong message to Secretary Pompeo, National Security Advisor Bolton, and the Trump administration that Congress has the power to decide issues of war and peace,” said Rep. Khanna.

“This amendment’s historic passage affirms the fact that the American people do not want to go to war with Iran. Following the President’s misguided withdrawal from the JCPOA, the House of Representatives sent a clear message by passing this amendment unanimously: unauthorized war with Iran is not an option. The President must listen to the American people and return to diplomacy as the primary solution to Iran’s nuclear ambitions,” said Rep. Schakowsky.

“Congress is sending a clear message that President Trump does not have the authority to go to war with Iran,” Rep. McGovern said. “With President Trump’s reckless violation of the Iran Deal and failure to get Congressional approval for military strikes on Syria, there’s never been a more important time for Congress to reassert its authority. It’s long past time to end the White House’s blank check on war and the passage of this amendment is a strong start.”

Read the amendment text here [PDF]

this is the second major hurdle for the Trump administration to go to war soon.

the first would be the reluctance of large parts of the NATO citizenry and government leaders to engage in another major regional war that can be avoided or put on hold with exactly the same kind of negotiations that previous US administrations performed.

personally, i am ambivalent towards regime-change on Iran by NATO.
the Iranian leaderships have called what they're doing in Yemen and elsewhere outside their borders a 'right'.
that makes them valid targets for regime-change in my eyes, along of course with the many voices inside Iran that are indeed openly very hostile towards Israel, who support the cannonfodder policy of supplying the Palestinians with weapons, etc, etc.

and now you're cracking down on protesters who complain about how Iranian leaderships' policies are creating more havoc for the Iranian economy.
https://mfanews.net/iran-says-security-forces-to-clamp-down-on-protests/


please note that this ammendment is for the *2019* defense budget. it doesn't say anything about the 2020 defense budgets and beyond, and that happens to be about as long as the US Trump Administration would need to mobilize international opinions against Iran's persistent "behavior".
 
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...n-asia-plans-to-ignore-trump-s-iran-sanctions

Politics
India, a Key U.S. Ally, Plans to Ignore Trump's Iran Sanctions
By
Iain Marlow
and
Debjit Chakraborty
May 29, 2018, 8:20 AM GMT+2

  • India only recognizes UN sanctions, foreign minister said

  • Throughout previous sanctions, India purchased Iranian oil
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India plans to ignore U.S. President Donald Trump’s plans to impose sanctions on Iran. Photographer: Chris Kleponis/Consolidated News Photos
President Donald Trump may have ordered the re-imposition of sanctions on Iran, but one of Asia’s biggest oil importers -- and a key strategic ally of the U.S. -- plans on ignoring them.



India, a long-time buyer of oil from both Iran and Venezuela, only complies with United Nations-mandated sanctions and not those imposed by one country on another, said foreign minister Sushma Swaraj at a press conference in New Delhi on Monday.



“India will comply with UN sanctions and not any country-specific sanctions,” Swaraj said at an annual briefing, flanked by her two junior foreign ministers and India’s foreign secretary.



Swaraj later met Iranian foreign minister Javad Zarif, where they discussed Trump’s plan to withdraw from the 2015 Iran nuclear deal. Swaraj said "all parties to the agreement should engage constructively for peaceful resolution of the issues," according to a foreign ministry statement.



Indian refiners had slashed purchases of Iranian crude to about half their previous levels when the United Nations, European Union and U.S. imposed a broad array of economic sanctions against Tehran. Nevertheless, India continued to import Iranian crude oil and was among the last six customers of the Persian Gulf nation.

What Sanctions?
Despite threats and curbs, Iran and Venezuela remain key oil suppliers to India

India's oil ministry



Purchases by India, which meets over 80 percent of its oil needs through imports, surged after the sanctions were lifted in 2016. Indian refiners bought a record 27.2 million tons of Iranian oil during the year through March 2017, a whopping 114 percent increase over the previous year.

Closer Ties
Washington and New Delhi have overcome Cold War-era tensions and grown much closer in the past two decades, in part due to U.S. strategic concerns about China’s growing influence in Asia.

But India’s post-independence history as a leader of the "non-aligned" movement -- developing nations not allied with the U.S. or the then-Soviet Union -- means New Delhi maintains economic relationships that raise eyebrows in western capitals, including with Iran, Venezuela and North Korea. India also ignored U.S. requests to close its embassy in North Korea, Swaraj said at her briefing.

In February, Iranian president Hassan Rouhani visited India and met with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi to discuss energy cooperation and New Delhi’s investments in Iran’s Chabahar port.

Trump is also considering new sanctions on Russia, a historic ally and key supplier of arms to India, related to allegations that Vladimir Putin’s government interfered in the U.S. election.
 

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