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You do understand he is a Pakistani, don't you?
Iran: Israel 'a barking dog' that will not dare attack Islamic Republic
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That iran who didnt have 144 million dollars to pay india for rice
That iran who depends on almost every eatable item from abroad..
That iran whose oil pumping system just produces 30% output and needs updation badly
That iran who dont have refineries to refine the oil and depend on the other nation to refine it
are talking about barking.They are talking about financing the pipeline to beggar nation called pakistan
with 3rd rated air force and navy with small boats threatening to wipe out..now tell us who is barking
Dear, only beggar nation is India. Pakistan buys F-16 from USA, India begs USA to stop. Pakistan buys equipment and Pakistani officals travel to Russia, Indian lobby begs Russia to stop. 26/11 happens, India begs USA to protect them in case another event like that happens. Indian economy boom, India begs Iran to give oil, etc... and much more... Hell, Indians are saying we are beggars when 72% of Indians live below $2 a day.
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Sir I know google and I hold a respectable position as learning and development head... I know google and surprisingly I know its use and misuse as well... anywayes I am not here to confornt.... what I mean is we will only be strong if good with us.... good feeling good trust and good faith... kya hai yaar.. kyon fight kar rahe hain? Indra Gandhi meri dadi maa toh nahi thi.... aap mere chachere bhai toh nai hain.... I am sure you also like chocolates and a good joke like me... arent we humans?
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lol. Iran didn't have 144 million dollars to pay you? You owe us more than a billion dollar for oil payments up to now
Iran is one of the largest producers of many agriculture things. Not only we produce millions of tones of agriculture products but we're famous in the world for luxury foods like Caviar, Saffron, Pistachio, etc... go check facts my monkey friend.
Iran's oil pumping system works fine.
Iran right now completely meets local demand for refined oil and we've been doing completely fine after 2009 that they imposed sanctions on Iran for importing gasoline.
I don't attack India only because of other Indians on the forum, but I advice you to look at yourself in the mirror and then talk.
i was talking about major eatable items like wheat,rice and edible oil which you import from us.
and you have enough oil for local demand,i agree.
and india couldnt pay you coz no bank was supporting the transactions.
It would appear that lots of Indians are now trying to put on their two faced side and pretend to be neutral or pro Iranian. If any of you Iranian brothers have doubt go and check other threads where Indians are always against Iran and with America and Israel. I along with the majority of Pakistanos always push for what I believe and that is Iran Pakistan China Russia block
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Which one?
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Hmmm...Good that you believe in Iran Pakistan China Russia block...But the problem is no one believe Pakistan.
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We know what is going on and we will speak/act accordingly. But there is danger of Hasbara agent too !
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We import such products from many places because they're cheap, we export wheat to Armenia and we export rice to countries around Iran as well. It doesn't mean we need them, we just import them because it's cheaper that way. It's all about economic profit, nothing else
Not only we have enough oil for local demand, but we have enough refined oil for local demand as well.
It doesn't really matter. If we want to talk about money, go and read nominal GDP per capita numbers of Iran and India and you'll find out that whether we don't have money or you. Moreover, if there's someone who owes the other side money, it's you and the amount of money you owe us is way more than 144 million dollars
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You know what... naaah.... no pint in the end isn't it.... do you really classify Pakistans diplomacy with your forum view? I believe a forum is a start for love and peace...maybe give it a shot? try it man... its not too hard.... we don't need confessions.... we need sympathy... of our beloved ones... and if it's global scale why to depend on russia or china or usa or iserail... isnt Pak and Ind good enough?
To my friends here I wrote an article sometime ago for the forum about my view of the neighbourhood and Iranians can decide for themselves who is their enemy and who is their friends
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES
One would have thought that Americans would have learned to be prudent about the unintended consequences of their actions by now.
After the case of Roe v. Wade which legalised abortion in America in 1973. Americans were surprised that some 15 to 20 years later that there were steep reductions in crime rates. Later studies have suggested there is a link between the two. Simply unwanted children often fatherless were more inclined to commit crime in their teens. When the learned judges made this decision to legalise abortion they could not have dreamt of the effect on crime rates.
The Pakistani ISI proved itself to be a master chef in the eighties in the way they created an unpalatable meal for the Soviets which not only led to the withdrawal of the Soviets from Afghanistan but contributed to the eventual collapse of the Soviet system,. The ingredients included in this meal were American & Saudi money,Wahhabi ideology, American weapons. The Saudi American & Pakistanifriends revelled in their success. However this success was short lived because in particular the Americans didn't want to get involved in washing the dishes. They were happy to provide the ingredients, assist the cook but cleaning up after dinner was below them.
Not in the wildest dreams of the Americans could they foresee the unintended consequences.
With the demise of the Soviets the world entered a unipolar world with just one superpower America. But the seeds of destruction of the American empire had been sown by the Americans themselves.
1. It is now commonly accepted that the Americans were complicit in the creation of the Taliban/Al Qaeda Frankenstein[ii]. The defeat of a superpower by irregulars was clearly a lesson that Osama & co took to heart. If they could destroy the Soviets why not the Americans?
2. It was the designation of Pakistan as a front line state in the eighties by the Americans against Soviet expansion that enabled Pakistan to avoid first sanctions and second avoid a destruction of nuclear facilities by Israel/India/America a la Saddams Iraq style. Simply American actions allowed Pakistan get through the most sensitive stage of developing of nuclear weapons [iii].
The attack on the twin towers by Al Qaeda was not chosen as a random target. It was specifically chosen because it was recognised as symbol of western capitalism[iv]. Osama wanted to bleed america to death. He wanted America to leave arab lands because they would no longer be able to afford to finance wars in distant lands.
Americas disproportionate response to the twin towers attack; the invasion of Iraq & Afghanistan is estimated to have cost in the region of 4 trillion US dollars [v]. No one can deny the macroeconomic [vi]effects of the attack itself.
Osama it would appear has died but it would appear Americans are being bled to death. Today America has official unemployment standing at 9.2% in reality nearer 17% [vii]. One in six in america on food stamps [viii]. America today has a unsustainable deficit of $14 trillion plus.
If the US dollar was not the reserve currency America would be bankrupt as the French finance Minister Giscard destaing said in the sixties the reserve currency allows America the exorbitant privilege. This is what allow Americans to undertake quantitive easing aka printing money and get away with it.
There are two countries in the world that could destroy the US dollar as reserve currency overnight that is Saudi and China. If Saudis refused to accept the US dollar for their oil or if the Chinese started dumping the dollar that would be the end. However Saudis and Chinese would not be left unscathed themselves by these actions. If US dollar was not reserve currency a gallon of petrol in America would go over $100. Americans would be unable to fuel their weapons of terror like the F16s. Even if Saudis and China were to take no action but continue decreasing their reliance on the dollar I estimate that the tipping point for the US$ will be reached within 10 years [ix].
Has Osama in death succeeded. Will historians in future years look back and say he struck the first fatal blow at Pax America
Clearly we are rapidly approaching the end of Pax America. America is on the demise and China is on the rise. Sometime in the future China will take over the role of world leader. This is inevitable as the sun rises. Its just a question of time. In the past empires have clashed and there has always been war and misery whenever the baton is exchanged. You may well think that America and British empire exchanged the baton peacefully. But this is not the case. Only Hitler and the Germans stopped direct hostilities between the British empire. In fact in 1930 America was making preparations to attack the British[x].
The big question is can Americans accept the new world order where they and white English speaking countries will not have the edge and control world resources.
We live in a world today that is often described as a global village. To me this just means that a steady osmosis has been taking place since the early nineties. Its like mixing water with a dye. It was happening because the dye and water were in contact, but the effect of the global village is to shake the bottle and mix the dye and water quickly and completely at a quicker rate. It is inevitable that this osmosis will see a redistribution of wealth and resources. The richer Americans will get poorer, the poorer Chinese will become richer etc. It is unlikely that the average Chinese will be as rich as the average American today. But the Chinese will be better off and the American worse off. The Americans or Europeans will will face greater difficult in adjusting as they are not used to hardship.
The west and or Americans use notions of democracy and human rights to try to gain the moral high ground which in reality is just an anaesthetic to soothe the collective conscience of the remnants' of the population of the Judeo Christian empire. When the writer refers to a country the reference is to the relevant countries government. The writer feels the necessity to say this because although America prides itself in that it is a democracy its foreign policy is dictated by a disciplined small number of American Jews (hence the demonising of Pakistan the only Muslim country with nukes) with the majority of American people living in the ignorance fed on a daily diet of propaganda from the likes of Fox news. In the UK 75% of the electorate chose not to vote or vote against the present incumbent. Yet the govt can and does lead the UK into war. It is asserted that if such a thing as democracy existed wars would not exist. People do not choose to go to war. Governments decide to go to war. It is submitted the western notions of fairness and human rights are just a cloak for their nefarious designs.
Its with this background that we have to see American actions in the rest of the world including Iraq Afghanistan and Libya. It would seem that Syria Pakistan and Iran could soon be recipients of the American way of life in the near future. If Americans were to succeed in having their way in Afghanistan and Pakistan it would seriously threaten China bearing in mind that India is already friendly towards America. It would be a serious setback to Chinese in that supply routes could be closed by America at will.
China & Russia are probably the only two militaries that can afford to take America on and make Americans think twice. I say this because China & Russia are the only two countries that can threaten the American mainland with nuclear weapons.
I am not suggesting that they would necessarily win against America but they could certainly cause Americans unacceptable damage.
One can not help notice that when Russia took action against Georgia who Americans and Nato were making friendly overtures to Americans and Nato did little to help Georgia who they had earlier encouraged to be boisterous towards Russia. The American therefore can be pragmatic when pushed and their bluff is called.
American sabre rattling on Iran is not being ignored by Russia & China. Both have prevented Iran from being completely isolated. The Chinese and Russians were not happy with what happened in Libya and are unlikely to be conned again. The movement towards Syria by Russian assets and the refusal by Russians to accept missiles near their borders must not be ignored as the wishfull dreams of power by a former superpower.
With Putin about to be re-elected in Russia makes the way for a more assertive Russia when it comes to America. The only time there seemed that coordination was lacking between Medev and Putin was on the Libyan action and it was clear that Putin thought Natos actions were unacceptable and likened Natos actions to the Crusaders [xi].
I believe that the Chinese & Russians are keeping a close eye on what is happening and may coordinate their actions to prevent this
The danger is that Americans and Europe are in financial crisis and may need to get more adventurous in their search for stealing third world resources and influence and may use force. Will they risk the ire of China and or Russia? They will not in my opinion accept a new order that is not dominated by American, European and white English speaking countries? Could they? Will they risk WW3 with nukes?
Many will see a war hot or cold unlikely, because why should China or Russia risk their own assets for Pakistan, Iran etc? Could China not just keep rising without a war? My take is that the west can see what is going to happen ie if they dont take some sort of action they will no longer lead the world. If they keep managing to get away with their adventures in due course China & Russia will be targets.
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Lawrence Freeman from the Executive Intelligence Review magazine [xii]has stated that
President Obama is acting on a British geopolitical plan to force a confrontation with Russia and China, a military confrontation of which Syrian and Iran would nearly be the ignition point. But the real goal is a war to stop the progress that Russia and China are engulfed in .
I think in the face of this alliance Russia has a key part to play and America when it realises its losing may try bribing Russia. After all the Russians are white at least.
Will Russia & China have the foresight to prevent American and Nato from stealing and controlling the world resources before its too late?
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JJ Donohue, Steven levitt
[ii]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/1999/jan/17/yemen.islam
[iii]http://www.npolicy.org/userfiles/image/Could%20Anything%20Be%20Done%20to%20Stop%20Them.pd f
[iv]How-safe-should-we-feel-about-the-terrorist-threat
[v]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/war-on-terror-set-to-surpass-cost-of-second-world-war-2304497.html
[vi]http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/ois_wp_impacts_911.pdf
[vii]http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/learn-how-to-invest/The-real-unemployment-rate.aspx
[viii]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57328305/americas-new-poor/
[ix]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/the-demise-of-the-dollar-1798175.html
[x]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2039453/How-America-planned-destroy-BRITAIN-1930-bombing-raids-chemical-weapons.html
[xi] Video: Putin likens Libya air strikes to 'crusades' - Telegraph
[xii]http://rt.com/news/syria-iran-russia-china-921/
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES
One would have thought that Americans would have learned to be prudent about the unintended consequences of their actions by now.
After the case of Roe v. Wade which legalised abortion in America in 1973. Americans were surprised that some 15 to 20 years later that there were steep reductions in crime rates. Later studies have suggested there is a link between the two. Simply unwanted children often fatherless were more inclined to commit crime in their teens. When the learned judges made this decision to legalise abortion they could not have dreamt of the effect on crime rates.
The Pakistani ISI proved itself to be a master chef in the eighties in the way they created an unpalatable meal for the Soviets which not only led to the withdrawal of the Soviets from Afghanistan but contributed to the eventual collapse of the Soviet system,. The ingredients included in this meal were American & Saudi money,Wahhabi ideology, American weapons. The Saudi American & Pakistanifriends revelled in their success. However this success was short lived because in particular the Americans didn't want to get involved in washing the dishes. They were happy to provide the ingredients, assist the cook but cleaning up after dinner was below them.
Not in the wildest dreams of the Americans could they foresee the unintended consequences.
With the demise of the Soviets the world entered a unipolar world with just one superpower America. But the seeds of destruction of the American empire had been sown by the Americans themselves.
1. It is now commonly accepted that the Americans were complicit in the creation of the Taliban/Al Qaeda Frankenstein[ii]. The defeat of a superpower by irregulars was clearly a lesson that Osama & co took to heart. If they could destroy the Soviets why not the Americans?
2. It was the designation of Pakistan as a front line state in the eighties by the Americans against Soviet expansion that enabled Pakistan to avoid first sanctions and second avoid a destruction of nuclear facilities by Israel/India/America a la Saddams Iraq style. Simply American actions allowed Pakistan get through the most sensitive stage of developing of nuclear weapons [iii].
The attack on the twin towers by Al Qaeda was not chosen as a random target. It was specifically chosen because it was recognised as symbol of western capitalism[iv]. Osama wanted to bleed america to death. He wanted America to leave arab lands because they would no longer be able to afford to finance wars in distant lands.
Americas disproportionate response to the twin towers attack; the invasion of Iraq & Afghanistan is estimated to have cost in the region of 4 trillion US dollars [v]. No one can deny the macroeconomic [vi]effects of the attack itself.
Osama it would appear has died but it would appear Americans are being bled to death. Today America has official unemployment standing at 9.2% in reality nearer 17% [vii]. One in six in america on food stamps [viii]. America today has a unsustainable deficit of $14 trillion plus.
If the US dollar was not the reserve currency America would be bankrupt as the French finance Minister Giscard destaing said in the sixties the reserve currency allows America the exorbitant privilege. This is what allow Americans to undertake quantitive easing aka printing money and get away with it.
There are two countries in the world that could destroy the US dollar as reserve currency overnight that is Saudi and China. If Saudis refused to accept the US dollar for their oil or if the Chinese started dumping the dollar that would be the end. However Saudis and Chinese would not be left unscathed themselves by these actions. If US dollar was not reserve currency a gallon of petrol in America would go over $100. Americans would be unable to fuel their weapons of terror like the F16s. Even if Saudis and China were to take no action but continue decreasing their reliance on the dollar I estimate that the tipping point for the US$ will be reached within 10 years [ix].
Has Osama in death succeeded. Will historians in future years look back and say he struck the first fatal blow at Pax America
Clearly we are rapidly approaching the end of Pax America. America is on the demise and China is on the rise. Sometime in the future China will take over the role of world leader. This is inevitable as the sun rises. Its just a question of time. In the past empires have clashed and there has always been war and misery whenever the baton is exchanged. You may well think that America and British empire exchanged the baton peacefully. But this is not the case. Only Hitler and the Germans stopped direct hostilities between the British empire. In fact in 1930 America was making preparations to attack the British[x].
The big question is can Americans accept the new world order where they and white English speaking countries will not have the edge and control world resources.
We live in a world today that is often described as a global village. To me this just means that a steady osmosis has been taking place since the early nineties. Its like mixing water with a dye. It was happening because the dye and water were in contact, but the effect of the global village is to shake the bottle and mix the dye and water quickly and completely at a quicker rate. It is inevitable that this osmosis will see a redistribution of wealth and resources. The richer Americans will get poorer, the poorer Chinese will become richer etc. It is unlikely that the average Chinese will be as rich as the average American today. But the Chinese will be better off and the American worse off. The Americans or Europeans will will face greater difficult in adjusting as they are not used to hardship.
The west and or Americans use notions of democracy and human rights to try to gain the moral high ground which in reality is just an anaesthetic to soothe the collective conscience of the remnants' of the population of the Judeo Christian empire. When the writer refers to a country the reference is to the relevant countries government. The writer feels the necessity to say this because although America prides itself in that it is a democracy its foreign policy is dictated by a disciplined small number of American Jews (hence the demonising of Pakistan the only Muslim country with nukes) with the majority of American people living in the ignorance fed on a daily diet of propaganda from the likes of Fox news. In the UK 75% of the electorate chose not to vote or vote against the present incumbent. Yet the govt can and does lead the UK into war. It is asserted that if such a thing as democracy existed wars would not exist. People do not choose to go to war. Governments decide to go to war. It is submitted the western notions of fairness and human rights are just a cloak for their nefarious designs.
Its with this background that we have to see American actions in the rest of the world including Iraq Afghanistan and Libya. It would seem that Syria Pakistan and Iran could soon be recipients of the American way of life in the near future. If Americans were to succeed in having their way in Afghanistan and Pakistan it would seriously threaten China bearing in mind that India is already friendly towards America. It would be a serious setback to Chinese in that supply routes could be closed by America at will.
China & Russia are probably the only two militaries that can afford to take America on and make Americans think twice. I say this because China & Russia are the only two countries that can threaten the American mainland with nuclear weapons.
I am not suggesting that they would necessarily win against America but they could certainly cause Americans unacceptable damage.
One can not help notice that when Russia took action against Georgia who Americans and Nato were making friendly overtures to Americans and Nato did little to help Georgia who they had earlier encouraged to be boisterous towards Russia. The American therefore can be pragmatic when pushed and their bluff is called.
American sabre rattling on Iran is not being ignored by Russia & China. Both have prevented Iran from being completely isolated. The Chinese and Russians were not happy with what happened in Libya and are unlikely to be conned again. The movement towards Syria by Russian assets and the refusal by Russians to accept missiles near their borders must not be ignored as the wishfull dreams of power by a former superpower.
With Putin about to be re-elected in Russia makes the way for a more assertive Russia when it comes to America. The only time there seemed that coordination was lacking between Medev and Putin was on the Libyan action and it was clear that Putin thought Natos actions were unacceptable and likened Natos actions to the Crusaders [xi].
I believe that the Chinese & Russians are keeping a close eye on what is happening and may coordinate their actions to prevent this
The danger is that Americans and Europe are in financial crisis and may need to get more adventurous in their search for stealing third world resources and influence and may use force. Will they risk the ire of China and or Russia? They will not in my opinion accept a new order that is not dominated by American, European and white English speaking countries? Could they? Will they risk WW3 with nukes?
Many will see a war hot or cold unlikely, because why should China or Russia risk their own assets for Pakistan, Iran etc? Could China not just keep rising without a war? My take is that the west can see what is going to happen ie if they dont take some sort of action they will no longer lead the world. If they keep managing to get away with their adventures in due course China & Russia will be targets.
.
Lawrence Freeman from the Executive Intelligence Review magazine [xii]has stated that
President Obama is acting on a British geopolitical plan to force a confrontation with Russia and China, a military confrontation of which Syrian and Iran would nearly be the ignition point. But the real goal is a war to stop the progress that Russia and China are engulfed in .
I think in the face of this alliance Russia has a key part to play and America when it realises its losing may try bribing Russia. After all the Russians are white at least.
Will Russia & China have the foresight to prevent American and Nato from stealing and controlling the world resources before its too late?
________________________________________
JJ Donohue, Steven levitt
[ii]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/1999/jan/17/yemen.islam
[iii]http://www.npolicy.org/userfiles/image/Could%20Anything%20Be%20Done%20to%20Stop%20Them.pd f
[iv]How-safe-should-we-feel-about-the-terrorist-threat
[v]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/war-on-terror-set-to-surpass-cost-of-second-world-war-2304497.html
[vi]http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/ois_wp_impacts_911.pdf
[vii]http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/learn-how-to-invest/The-real-unemployment-rate.aspx
[viii]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57328305/americas-new-poor/
[ix]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/the-demise-of-the-dollar-1798175.html
[x]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2039453/How-America-planned-destroy-BRITAIN-1930-bombing-raids-chemical-weapons.html
[xi] Video: Putin likens Libya air strikes to 'crusades' - Telegraph
[xii]http://rt.com/news/syria-iran-russia-china-921/
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We import such products from many places because they're cheap, we export wheat to Armenia and we export rice to countries around Iran as well. It doesn't need we need them, we just import them because it's cheaper that way. It's all about economic profit, nothing else
Not only we have enough oil for local demand, but we have enough refined oil for local demand as well.
It doesn't really matter. If we want to talk about money, go and read nominal GDP per capita numbers of Iran and India and you'll find out that whether we don't have money or you. Moreover, if there's someone who owes the other side money, it's you and the amount of money you owe us is way more than 144 million dollars
I respect your point of view... but I think in reality it differs from fathoms... not questioning your judgement... in goodwill ofcoure... I believe India and Iran makes a good punch... and if something will happen to Iran India will atleast play no role to it...it will be NON ALINGED... the whole concept of non alignment is freedom and empowerment... if I am not wrong
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yeah..a cheap whoree like pakistan
whose soldiers are killed in strike and deals with U.s after getting dolalrs and kits of f-16's
typical sluutt
and it was you who ran to papa U.S in 98..go search any neutral source.india dont beg to iran for oil..
those iranians were even ready to give oil in rupees and ready to invest here
so do pole dance some where else..i wont give dollars to you
Good, I do not want to embarass you and hurt you (believe me I will) so I will stop responding and just report you.
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That's not begging my friend. Its politics.
What what what?
Again. That's not begging. That is a buyer seller kind of a thing. When you buy oil from someone, does that mean you beg them? What kind of logic is this man?
Who told you that?
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