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Iran gets admission into Uncrewed Underwater Vehicle elite club

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TEHRAN, May 31 (MNA) – The unveiling of an Uncrewed Underwater Vehicle (UUV) by the Islamic Revolution Guard Corps (IRGC) Navy, while showing off Iran’s domestic capabilities, also sent another message to those countries which are trying to keep Iran away from any kind of advancement.

On Thursday, May 28, over 100 new boats were delivered to the Islamic Revolution Guard Corps (IRGC) naval base in Bandar Abbas during a ceremony attended by top Iranian military officials, including Defense Minister Brigadier General Amir Hatami, IRGC Chief Major General Hossein Salami, and IRGC Navy Commander Rear Admiral Alireza Tangsiri.

The newly-joined vessels came in various classes such as ‘Ashura’, ‘Tarogh’, and ‘Zolfaghar’, all manufactured and optimized by Iranian experts working at knowledge-based companies of the Ministry of Defense Marine Industries Group and specialized technical centers of the IRGC Navy.

These vessels, which enjoy high hydro-dynamic capabilities, high speed, suitable maneuverability, very low radar cross-section (RCS), and high offensive power, have a great impact on improving the combat capability of the IRGC Navy in the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz.

Among these various classes of vessels, however, there was one in particular that grabbed the attention of foreign news outlets. Based on the published photos, there is an Uncrewed Underwater Vehicle (UUV) among the unveiled vessels with an appearance of Ghadir-class submarine but smaller and without a command bridge.

Western media’s attention drawn to the new Iranian vessel

This new vessel immediately grabbed the attention of Western media. The American magazine Forbes, for example, wrote in an article following Iran’s unveiling of its new vessels that Iran joined “an elite club with only the U.S. Navy and Britain’s Royal Navy having such large UUVs.”

Forbes further added, “A new vessel, shown in public for the first time this week, is either a very small submarine or a very large Uncrewed Underwater Vehicle (UUV). It appears to be the latter. If correct, this will add a new dimension to Iran’s systematic warfare capability. It will also mean that Iran joins an elite club with only the U.S. Navy and Britain’s Royal Navy having such large UUVs.”

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According to the article, the Iranian UUV is comparable to the Boeing Orca extra-large uncrewed underwater vehicle (XLUUV), which is being developed for the US Navy.

The Boeing Orca XLUUV, named after the killer whale, is described as Extra Large Unmanned Undersea Vehicles that could be used for mine countermeasures, anti-submarine warfare, anti-surface warfare, electronic warfare, and strike missions.

Uncrewed underwater vehicles such as Orca will revolutionize naval battles and provide naval forces with low-cost, semi-disposable combat systems that can cover the gaps on the battlefield or easily navigate to locations that are impossible or dangerous for ships and crewed submarines.

Interpreting the motto ‘We Can Do It’

Mashregh News wrote in an article about the Iranian UUV, which it described as IRGC’s military surprise, that “given the size of the UUV, it could be predicted that the vessel could be used to carry a torpedo or used as a remote control platform to launch attacks from depths of the sea and create a tremendous explosion to sink heavy vessels.

The IRGC’s first try at developing uncrewed underwater vehicles was the ‘Ya-Mahdi’ speed boat, which according to the information stated in documentaries aired on national TV, was equipped with three rocket launchers and could also serve as a moving bomb at sea by carrying explosives and hitting the bodies of enemy ships.

In 2015, in an interview with Rear Admiral Sardar Fadavi, the then commander of the IRGC Navy (NEDSA), regarding the delivery of submarines into the Navy’s combat units, he said, “Hopefully by the end of the fifth five-year plan, which is nearly at its end, we will have finished the basic stages of this underwater vessel and have something ready to display.”

An image released at the delivery of high-speed vessels to the IRGC navy revealed that the IRGC has taken important steps in the field of submarines and it seems that the development of an uncrewed underwater vehicle that had been on the agenda has reached acceptable and operational results.

IRGC Chief Major General Hossein Salami had said in October 2019 that the country should take steps toward manufacturing uncrewed vessels, adding “making that achievement is possible given the knowledge we have.”

It should be noted that the new Iranian UUV is similar to Ghadir-class submarines, which have been developed for use in the depths of the Persian Gulf and Sea of Oman.

The Persian Gulf becoming more unsafe for enemies

Although there is not much information about the new Iranian UUV, what can be said for sure is that the IRGC's submarine program has successfully passed the design and the evaluation stage on computers and scientific hypotheses, and has now reached marine experiments.

With such systems coming on stream, the Islamic Republic, in addition to adding an important option to its defense structure, will join an elite club whose members could be counted on the fingers of one hand.

In addition to increasing the country’s defense capabilities, this new development also carries an important message: Despite all efforts to keep the Islamic Republic away from modern sciences and scientific progress, the Iranian youth, by relying on their own knowledge and capabilities, have been able to reach a position that even the largest weapons manufacturers of the world have not been able to reach yet.

As such, the invading and aggressive Western countries, which have deployed their warships in the Persian Gulf and the Sea of Oman under the pretext of providing security, will have another concern in addition to speedboats, and that is Iran's uncrewed underwater vehicles.

Iran and Western countries, especially the United States and Britain, have had many confrontations in the Persian Gulf, and now, with the addition of the new vessels to Iran’s defensive forces, the developments in the region will definitely change, and it is even possible that the current level of presence of Western countries in the region will also go through some changes.

Furthermore, the Western countries, in particular the United States, which has repeatedly tasted defeat at the hands of Iran's indigenous knowledge, especially in the field of drones, will now have another unmanned defense system to deal with.

By: Abdolhamid Bayati

https://en.mehrnews.com/news/159263/Iran-gets-admission-into-Uncrewed-Underwater-Vehicle-elite-club


Great news. :enjoy:
 
Iran gets admission into Uncrewed Underwater Vehicle elite club

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TEHRAN, May 31 (MNA) – The unveiling of an Uncrewed Underwater Vehicle (UUV) by the Islamic Revolution Guard Corps (IRGC) Navy, while showing off Iran’s domestic capabilities, also sent another message to those countries which are trying to keep Iran away from any kind of advancement.

On Thursday, May 28, over 100 new boats were delivered to the Islamic Revolution Guard Corps (IRGC) naval base in Bandar Abbas during a ceremony attended by top Iranian military officials, including Defense Minister Brigadier General Amir Hatami, IRGC Chief Major General Hossein Salami, and IRGC Navy Commander Rear Admiral Alireza Tangsiri.

The newly-joined vessels came in various classes such as ‘Ashura’, ‘Tarogh’, and ‘Zolfaghar’, all manufactured and optimized by Iranian experts working at knowledge-based companies of the Ministry of Defense Marine Industries Group and specialized technical centers of the IRGC Navy.

These vessels, which enjoy high hydro-dynamic capabilities, high speed, suitable maneuverability, very low radar cross-section (RCS), and high offensive power, have a great impact on improving the combat capability of the IRGC Navy in the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz.

Among these various classes of vessels, however, there was one in particular that grabbed the attention of foreign news outlets. Based on the published photos, there is an Uncrewed Underwater Vehicle (UUV) among the unveiled vessels with an appearance of Ghadir-class submarine but smaller and without a command bridge.

Western media’s attention drawn to the new Iranian vessel

This new vessel immediately grabbed the attention of Western media. The American magazine Forbes, for example, wrote in an article following Iran’s unveiling of its new vessels that Iran joined “an elite club with only the U.S. Navy and Britain’s Royal Navy having such large UUVs.”

Forbes further added, “A new vessel, shown in public for the first time this week, is either a very small submarine or a very large Uncrewed Underwater Vehicle (UUV). It appears to be the latter. If correct, this will add a new dimension to Iran’s systematic warfare capability. It will also mean that Iran joins an elite club with only the U.S. Navy and Britain’s Royal Navy having such large UUVs.”

3464411.jpg


According to the article, the Iranian UUV is comparable to the Boeing Orca extra-large uncrewed underwater vehicle (XLUUV), which is being developed for the US Navy.

The Boeing Orca XLUUV, named after the killer whale, is described as Extra Large Unmanned Undersea Vehicles that could be used for mine countermeasures, anti-submarine warfare, anti-surface warfare, electronic warfare, and strike missions.

Uncrewed underwater vehicles such as Orca will revolutionize naval battles and provide naval forces with low-cost, semi-disposable combat systems that can cover the gaps on the battlefield or easily navigate to locations that are impossible or dangerous for ships and crewed submarines.

Interpreting the motto ‘We Can Do It’

Mashregh News wrote in an article about the Iranian UUV, which it described as IRGC’s military surprise, that “given the size of the UUV, it could be predicted that the vessel could be used to carry a torpedo or used as a remote control platform to launch attacks from depths of the sea and create a tremendous explosion to sink heavy vessels.

The IRGC’s first try at developing uncrewed underwater vehicles was the ‘Ya-Mahdi’ speed boat, which according to the information stated in documentaries aired on national TV, was equipped with three rocket launchers and could also serve as a moving bomb at sea by carrying explosives and hitting the bodies of enemy ships.

In 2015, in an interview with Rear Admiral Sardar Fadavi, the then commander of the IRGC Navy (NEDSA), regarding the delivery of submarines into the Navy’s combat units, he said, “Hopefully by the end of the fifth five-year plan, which is nearly at its end, we will have finished the basic stages of this underwater vessel and have something ready to display.”

An image released at the delivery of high-speed vessels to the IRGC navy revealed that the IRGC has taken important steps in the field of submarines and it seems that the development of an uncrewed underwater vehicle that had been on the agenda has reached acceptable and operational results.

IRGC Chief Major General Hossein Salami had said in October 2019 that the country should take steps toward manufacturing uncrewed vessels, adding “making that achievement is possible given the knowledge we have.”

It should be noted that the new Iranian UUV is similar to Ghadir-class submarines, which have been developed for use in the depths of the Persian Gulf and Sea of Oman.

The Persian Gulf becoming more unsafe for enemies

Although there is not much information about the new Iranian UUV, what can be said for sure is that the IRGC's submarine program has successfully passed the design and the evaluation stage on computers and scientific hypotheses, and has now reached marine experiments.

With such systems coming on stream, the Islamic Republic, in addition to adding an important option to its defense structure, will join an elite club whose members could be counted on the fingers of one hand.

In addition to increasing the country’s defense capabilities, this new development also carries an important message: Despite all efforts to keep the Islamic Republic away from modern sciences and scientific progress, the Iranian youth, by relying on their own knowledge and capabilities, have been able to reach a position that even the largest weapons manufacturers of the world have not been able to reach yet.

As such, the invading and aggressive Western countries, which have deployed their warships in the Persian Gulf and the Sea of Oman under the pretext of providing security, will have another concern in addition to speedboats, and that is Iran's uncrewed underwater vehicles.

Iran and Western countries, especially the United States and Britain, have had many confrontations in the Persian Gulf, and now, with the addition of the new vessels to Iran’s defensive forces, the developments in the region will definitely change, and it is even possible that the current level of presence of Western countries in the region will also go through some changes.

Furthermore, the Western countries, in particular the United States, which has repeatedly tasted defeat at the hands of Iran's indigenous knowledge, especially in the field of drones, will now have another unmanned defense system to deal with.

By: Abdolhamid Bayati

https://en.mehrnews.com/news/159263/Iran-gets-admission-into-Uncrewed-Underwater-Vehicle-elite-club


Great news. :enjoy:


well done . Great news .congratulations .
 
This unmanned submarine will be the 2nd largest in the world after the US Orca project:

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That picture is incorrect Poseidon is #1 in size at a whopping 25 meter length with speeds of 200 km/hr and unlimited range.


Iran’s would be at best #3, but pale in comparison to the capability of Poseidon and even Orca. Iran’s is best for a cheap submarine to stalk the PG.
 
That picture is incorrect Poseidon is #1 in size at a whopping 25 meter length with speeds of 200 km/hr and unlimited range.


Iran’s would be at best #3, but pale in comparison to the capability of Poseidon and even Orca. Iran’s is best for a cheap submarine to stalk the PG.

Poseidon is not an unmanned submarine but rather an intercontinental torpedo like system. The picture is showing "Autonomous Underwater Vehicles",not all of which are what one considers a submarine. The American Orcs is a submarine and from what I am hearing, the Iranian one is also a submarine. As for the size of the Iranian system, yes, it is designed for the relatively shallow Persian Gulf. Going forward, they can upscale these designs to create even larger versions if they wanted. However for a first project, it is a great achievement.
 
Poseidon is not an unmanned submarine but rather an intercontinental torpedo like system. The picture is showing "Autonomous Underwater Vehicles",not all of which are what one considers a submarine. The American Orcs is a submarine and from what I am hearing, the Iranian one is also a submarine. As for the size of the Iranian system, yes, it is designed for the relatively shallow Persian Gulf. Going forward, they can upscale these designs to create even larger versions if they wanted. However for a first project, it is a great achievement.

Iran’s unmanned subs will suffer same fate as its drones.

They will be range limited due to lack of sat coms. In fact it is harder for Iran to communicate with sub drone vs aerial drone due to water acting as a median that disrupts radar waves.

So don’t expect long range Iranian drone subs anytime soon.
 
Iran’s unmanned subs will suffer same fate as its drones.

They will be range limited due to lack of sat coms. In fact it is harder for Iran to communicate with sub drone vs aerial drone due to water acting as a median that disrupts radar waves.

So don’t expect long range Iranian drone subs anytime soon.

1. How does UUV communication work? How can a UUV be controlled from Iran to work in the gulf of Eden?

Radar is of limited use. Poor penetration.
What we have is:
1. Underwater inertial navigation
2. Sonar for both communication and object detection, You can find Iranian underwater electronic and communication tools in SaIran website.
3. Having navigation and communication relays embedded on the seabed as well as water surface. Of course it should be coded and secretive. This is the best and works like both accurate GPS and a communication line.

2. How can a UUV work for several months underwater?
- Embedded underwater and seabed recharging stations.
- Recharging stations on the sea surface, ships
I don’t know how can someone be unhappy with achievements of Iranian UAVs? There are Syrian combat field, and Abqaiq as examples for both short range and long range missions.

I hope Iranian UUV have the same fate of Iranian UAV, which is glory and pride.

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can we use very low frequency wireless connections? you know like sw waves or even lower frequency?
can these waves be used to contact a submarine?

I remember reading sth similar a few month ago.
 
can we use very low frequency wireless connections? you know like sw waves or even lower frequency?
can these waves be used to contact a submarine?

I remember reading sth similar a few month ago.

Yes. The more you decrease the frequency the more penetration will have. However the bandwidth will be really low and the penetration is still high.
It does get used in certain situations.

Sonar is better but needs lots of attention to high impedance surfaces, drop out, shadows, reverberations, noise and artifacts, correction for water temperature and salinity, attenuation estimation, etc.
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Poseidon is not an unmanned submarine but rather an intercontinental torpedo like system. The picture is showing "Autonomous Underwater Vehicles",not all of which are what one considers a submarine. The American Orcs is a submarine and from what I am hearing, the Iranian one is also a submarine. As for the size of the Iranian system, yes, it is designed for the relatively shallow Persian Gulf. Going forward, they can upscale these designs to create even larger versions if they wanted. However for a first project, it is a great achievement.
Not only that poseidon is nuclear powered and likely packing a nuclear warhead,so there are practical limits to just how small you can make something like this.This is very much a strategic system,indeed the concept supposedly dates all the way back to the soviet union and the late cold war era.
Its actually not a new idea as the very first soviet nuclear sub design the november class,was originally intended to be armed with a single massive 30m long nuclear armed T-15 torpedo which was intended to be used to destroy coastal targets.
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Not only that poseidon is nuclear powered and likely packing a nuclear warhead,so there are practical limits to just how small you can make something like this.This is very much a strategic system,indeed the concept supposedly dates all the way back to the soviet union and the late cold war era.
Its actually not a new idea as the very first soviet nuclear sub design the november class,was originally intended to be armed with a single massive 30m long nuclear armed T-15 torpedo which was intended to be used to destroy coastal targets.
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A conventional version of such a thing can be created. They have their uses, but I do not have them near the top of my list in terms of the "game-changing" element.
 
If direct guidance and data transmission is a problem over long distances, cant iran develop some sort of a drone that can fly above the area the UUV operates and act as a guidance bridge between the land based guidance station and the UUV?
Also what about satellite guidance in the future instead of drones? Also surface vessels should be able to act as a bridge or even guide the UUVs by themselves.
 
cant iran develop some sort of a drone that can fly above the area the UUV operates and act as a guidance bridge

I don't think so. I can think of 3 main problems with uav idea:
1. we don't have satellite communications like Russians and Nato and china. without satellite, we need to contact groud stations and that reduces the range by a lot.
2. we can not build a drone with long enough endurance to stay up for days or weeks (and remain undetected... I think no one can do it, unless they are living in DC or Marvell or starwars universes.)
3. the whole point of UUV is being as stealthy as possible. I don't think detecting a drone is that hard for those who want to find and detect a drone that is constantly contacting somewhere.
 
Google search underwater wireless optical communication (UWOC)
 
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