Iran, do you think the Arabs are more backwards than you?

[PakistaniandProud]

According to the HDI rankings, Lebanon, Libya, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the UAE are all above Iran in HDI.

List of countries by Human Development Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Iranian judiciary officially placed a moratorium on stoning in 2002, although the punishment remained on the books, and there were a few cases of Judges handing down stoning sentences in 2006 and 2007.[25] In 2008, Iran's judiciary decided to fully scrap the punishment from the books in a legislation submitted to parliament for approval.[26] As of June 2009, Iran's parliament has been reviewing and revising the Islamic penal code to omit stoning as a form of punishment.[27]
In Iran, stoning as a punishment did not exist until 1983, when the contemporary Islamic Penal Code was ratified. Many Muslim jurists in Iran are of the opinion that while stoning can be considered Islamic, the criteria under which it can be imposed as a sentence are stringent: Because of the large burden of proof needed to reach a guilty sentence of adultery, its penalty is hardly ever applicable.
Furthermore, while legally on the books, because of vociferous domestic and international controversy and outcry over stoning in the early years of the Islamic republic, the government placed official moratoriums on the punishment and, as a result, it was rarely practiced. Nevertheless, much of the public was outraged that such a practice instituted in the laws of the country.[25] In 2002, Iran's judiciary indicated that stoning will no longer be practiced in Iran.[25] However, following the election of Ahmadinejad, there were reports of judges handing down stoning sentences in 2006 and 2007. Finally, in 2008, Iran's judiciary decided to scrap the punishment of stoning in draft legislation submitted to parliament for approval.[26] The Iranian judiciary spokesman Jamal Karimirad was quoted as saying "Stoning has been dropped from the penal code for a long time, and in the Islamic republic, we do not see such punishments being carried out", further adding that if stoning sentences were passed by lower courts, they were over-ruled by higher courts and "no such verdicts have been carried out."[28]

And have we forgotten about this?

Sad execution of gay men in Iran - YouTube

Stoning to Death in Iran: A Crime Against Humanity Carried Out By the Mullahs' Regime - YouTube

What I mean to say is i often hear Iranians saying that the saudis and other arabs are backwards than them, but their country is also pretty backwards, no?

 

[curioususer]

tum ko auro ke zakhm mei namak ragdne mei maza aata hai kya? pakistan kahna par hai iss mei?

 

[SOHEIL]

Nothing more than BS

 

[Serpentine]

First.we never said Arabs (in General) are backward.At least i as an Iranian haven't said such thing.I am against some laws in countries like SA,for example banning of driving for women or beheading punishment.
Second,HDI is not the only measure for showing who is more advanced or not.For example Turkey is also behind Saudi Arabia,Jamaica or Barbados,does it mean Turkey is a backward country?

About stoning punishment,well there is no stoning punishment in Iran for over 6 years,actually i am extremely against it and i don't see any 'Islamic' sign in it, fortunately they scraped the punishment from the law.We have a long way ahead to become a developed nation.

I hope you got my point.

 

[Developereo]

Please don't feed the troll thread.

 

[SOHEIL]

Please don't feed the troll thread.

who is troll ?

 

[fd24]

I think we have had our fair share Iran v Saud threads guys - Lets just agree to disagree on certain issues and dilute a bit of this hatred - really guys its a bit too much........

 

[SOHEIL]

Please don't feed the troll thread.

who is troll ?

 

[Pakistanisage]

This is BS thread. We Pakistanis should not be fanning this Arab-Iranian rivalry. Both are our Brothers and we should bring them together and not drive them further apart.

 

[Developereo]

who is troll ?

The topic.

Arab v/s Persian topic always leads to flame wars and never anything useful.

 

[explorer9]

First.we never said Arabs (in General) are backward.At least i as an Iranian haven't said such thing.I am against some laws in countries like SA,for example banning of driving for women or beheading punishment.
Second,HDI is not the only measure for showing who is more advanced or not.For example Turkey is also behind Saudi Arabia,Jamaica or Barbados,does it mean Turkey is a backward country?

About stoning punishment,well there is no stoning punishment in Iran for over 6 years,actually i am extremely against it and i don't see any 'Islamic' sign in it, fortunately they scraped the punishment from the law.We have a long way ahead to become a developed nation.


I hope you got my point.

Is it the law that what you don't see or not able to see is unislamic, really i see it as a great deterrent when i compare the crime records of different countries one more thing that i am no able to understand is the definition of developed Nation for me the definition of developed nation is who cares its citizen and provide all the basic necessities to live a respectable life.

 

[Serpentine]

Is it the law that what you don't see or not able to see is unislamic, really i see it as a great deterrent when i compare the crime records of different countries one more thing that i am no able to understand is the definition of developed Nation for me the definition of developed nation is who cares its citizen and provide all the basic necessities to live a respectable life.

I have the same definition as you for a developed nation.
I didn't get your point,you mean stoning is a good punishment?

 

[curioususer]

I have the same definition as you for a developed nation.
I didn't get your point,you mean stoning is a good punishment?

i too have the same definition for developed nation. yes that is what he meant, harsh punishments are good deterrents. if you see the kind of things which happen in india, pakistan. you'll understand.

 

[Serpentine]

i too have the same definition for developed nation. yes that is what he meant, harsh punishments are good deterrents. if you see the kind of things which happen in india, pakistan. you'll understand.

I disagree,because if harsh punishments had any influence,we wouldn't see high crime rates in developing countries.it is not right the way.
For example Norway has one one of the most moderate punishment systems in the world,it doesn't have capital punishment and still it has one of the lowest crime rates in the world.That rings a bell for you?

 

[lem34]

No one needs to argue about this at all. If we were to assume that the posters on the forum have Iranian flags or Arab flags represent a cross section of their respective nations. Its very easy by reading past posts you should be able to get a good idea of what's what and makes up you own minds. I will keep to myself the conclusions that I come to about who is rational and or not lol