Iran continues 'illegal coercion' and detention of ship, India fumes

[timetravel]

if you want to dig to the root cause, we can start with 1959, who has harbored Tibetan slave owners and Dalai Lama in order to p1ss China.

Don't want to go that back. We will never be able to agree on who started it initially.

But still I hope that Chinese (and Indians to Chinese) can congratulate Indians if someone achieves a meaningful milestone. It is not necessary to bash for sake of bashing.

India and China border dispute is insignificant. The main rivalry is economic. Unless China has an intention to stop Indian economic progress (as it competes with China) I do not think so the border dispute is anything meaningful. But I am not clear on Chinese intentions. But if Chinese intention are not to hinder Indian growth then I am sure its not a big dispute and would be solved in time.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Don't want to go that back. We will never be able to agree on who started it initially.

But still I hope that Chinese (and Indians to Chinese) can congratulate Indians if someone achieves a meaningful milestone. It is not necessary to bash for sake of bashing.

India and China border dispute is insignificant. The main rivalry is economic. Unless China has an intention to stop Indian economic progress (as it competes with China) I do not think so the border dispute is anything meaningful. But I am not clear on Chinese intentions. But if Chinese intention are not to hinder Indian growth then I am sure its not a big dispute and would be solved in time.

C'mon you can't possibly be serious to expect us to conglatulate for 30% job done.

 

[timetravel]

C'mon you can't possibly be serious to expect us to conglatulate for 30% job done.

Posters from Iran, Pakistan, Russia, US, New Zealand, Austrlia, EU and all others congratulated India. So you can also.

Its an important milestone when the carrier is launched into sea. Its not that you launch a career everyday.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

If you guys hate India so much, that's not a problem, but using this VERY REGULAR incident to a political matter for you own agenda and using Iran as means for it is unacceptable.

Those idiots don't ask themselves that if Iran is doing this for political reasons and as a response to Indian oil cults, then how on earth will such an stupid move help Iran in anyway?

Did you read this part of the article?

Coincidence? Iran Seizes Indian Ship After India Cuts Oil Imports - Forbes

It’s actually not clear what’s been going on, according to sources in New Delhi, but Indian authorities do not place any credence in the Iranian claim of violations of guidelines set forth by the Marine Emergency Mutual Aid Center of the Regional Organization for Protection of Maritime Environment.

The Press Trust of India quoted a shipping ministry official as saying that the ship, launched nine years ago, had passed inspections by “maritime authorities and international surveyors.” The official added that the ship was not even carrying crude on the day that it was alleged to have violated environmental guidelines – July 30.

Iran Says Trying to Resolve Dispute Over India Oil Tanker - WSJ.com

India had denied Iran's allegation, with the country's Shipping Ministry Chief Surveyor Amitava Banerjee saying that Iran had detained the vessel without "provocation." State-run Shipping Corp. of India Ltd., the tanker's owner, said Thursday the tanker, carrying crude oil from Iraq to India, wasn't in the vicinity of Iranian water when it was detained Tuesday.

It is India's own government, that is saying that Iran detained their vessel "without provocation".

It is India's own officials, who say the ship in question was not even carrying crude oil on that day, or even in Iranian waters on that day.

Do you think the Indian officials are lying? And why do you think they bought zero barrels of oil from Iran last month?

 

[Serpentine]

Did you read this part of the article?

Coincidence? Iran Seizes Indian Ship After India Cuts Oil Imports - Forbes



Iran Says Trying to Resolve Dispute Over India Oil Tanker - WSJ.com



It is India's own government, that is saying that Iran detained their vessel "without provocation".

It is India's own officials, who say the ship in question was not even carrying crude oil on that day, or even in Iranian waters on that day.

Do you think the Indian officials are lying? And why do you think they bought zero barrels of oil from Iran last month?

Well I don't know if that ship has been seized in international waters or Iran's, but they are investigating if it has spilled oil in the waters or not. The oil has been definitely spilled, but by who? We are yet to realize and if that Indian ship has done it, it will definitely be dealt with according to law.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Well I don't know if that ship has been seized in international waters or Iran's, but they are investigating if it has spilled oil in the waters or not. The oil has been definitely spilled, but by who? We are yet to realize and if that Indian ship has done it, it will definitely be dealt with according to law.

You're right when you say that Western media will come at Iran from a negative angle.

But here it is the Indian government itself that is rejecting all the Iranian claims, and saying that Iran has taken the vessel without any provocation at all, from outside Iranian waters.

Given that India has bought exactly ZERO barrels of Iranian oil last month, the article asking whether or not these two events are a coincidence or not, is not that much of stretch.

 

[Hack-Hook]

You're right when you say that Western media will come at Iran from a negative angle.

But here it is the Indian government itself that is rejecting all the Iranian claims, and saying that Iran has taken the vessel without any provocation at all, from outside Iranian waters.

Given that India has bought exactly ZERO barrels of Iranian oil last month, the article asking whether or not these two events are a coincidence or not, is not that much of stretch.

The claim against the ship did not from iran it come from a bahrain based international organization that all country around persian gulf are part of it and obe of it's duty is observing persoan gulf and see of Oman for such incidence and reporting it .
More importantly its not important if the incident happened in iran teritorial water persian gulf is so narrow that if you are not in somebody teritorial water you are in his economical zone and 30km of lavan island is Iran economical zone . and it is Also not important as oersian gulf ecosystem is so fragile that even it was not happened in our waters it would have serriously affected us.

Let go back several years you remember one of berittish petrolium oil rig in golf of mexico had some smal incident and the damage they had to pay was in milliards

 

[Enemy]

Stalemate continues over detainment of Indian tanker by Iran | NDTV.com

New Delhi: Deadlock over detainment of an Indian oil tanker by Iran today entered its seventh day as both countries failed to resolve the issue despite hectic parleys.

"There is no development so far. The ship is still there in the custody of the Iranian authorities at Bandar Abbas port," a top Shipping Corporation of India (SCI) official told PTI.

MT Desh Shanti, the tanker belonging to the country's largest ocean liner SCI, was detained by Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) on August 12 in Persian Gulf and taken to Bandar Abbas port while carrying crude from Basrah in Iraq.

The official said there was no pollution from the vessel which is nine years old and can carry 140,000 tonnes of crude.

"Indian Embassy in Tehran is pro-actively engaged in talks with Iran officials for the release of the ship. There has been no pollution by the ship and we expect some positive development," another SCI official said.

The development comes at a time when India, the world's fourth-largest oil importer, has significantly reduced its import of crude oil from Iran following severe financial sanctions from the western countries against the Islamic republic.

The Iranian embassy in Delhi in a statement on Friday had said that the detention was "purely a technical and non-political issue".

India's crude imports from Iran plunged by more than 26.5 per cent in the 2012-13 financial year (Apr-Mar) as US and European sanctions on Tehran combined to make it difficult for Indian refiners to ship Iranian oil.

Imports of Iranian crude fell to 13.3 million mt, or close to 267,100 b/d, in 2012-13 from 18.1 million mt, or around 362,500 b/d, in 2011-12.

Earlier sources had said Iran had slipped to sixth place among India's top crude suppliers in the year to March 31 from second place behind OPEC kingpin Saudi Arabia in the previous financial year.

 

[Enemy]

Shipowners’ association may take up issue with international bodies


Shipowners

NEW DELHI, AUG. 18:

With no clarity yet on the fate of the Shipping Corporation of India oil tanker detained by Iran, the India National Shipowners’ Association (INSA) is looking at raising the issue with international bodies to ensure safety of the crew.

Last Tuesday, Iran detained the MV Desh Shanti carrying crude oil from Iraq in international waters alleging that it was spilling oil. SCI Chairman and Managing Director B.K. Mandal has refuted the allegation, saying the ship was not even in Iranian waters when it was detained.

DETENTION METHOD

The manner in which Iran detained the merchant vessel has raised eyebrows.

“The problem is, the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, which is an elite force responsible for protecting their top leaders and therefore parallel to our SPG, reportedly boarded India’s merchant vessel. This could be very intimidating for the Indian crew,” said Anil Devli, CEO, INSA, the lobby for India-flagged vessels.

According to Devli, if a country discovers deficiencies in a ship, it has to give a notice to the master of the vessel to correct the deficiency. The deficiency can be corrected at sea, or it may be allowed to sail to the nearest port for repair.

YOUNG VESSEL

Also,INSA also feels that such activity – of law enforcement officers boarding a merchant vessel – happens only when there are concerns of a more serious nature, such as the ship carrying contraband or illegal cargo. Experts say, prima facie, the vessel was not the type to attract attention for possible spillage. “Technically, it is highly unlikely that a nine-year old double-tanker (the age and type of MV Desh Shanti) can cause an oil spill. Nine years is young by shipping fleet age standards. In the last 20 years, rarely has a double hull tanker been found spilling oil,” Anand Sharma, Director, Mantrana Maritime Advisory, said.

Double hull vessels have an outer protective layer that is intended to prevent any contaminants from leaking into the sea in case of any damage.

INSA cites strategic reasons as the reason behind the detention of the vessel . “Many Iranian vessels also enter India. All crude oil coming to India from Iran is carried in Iran-flagged vessels,” said Devli.

The incident has caused concern for another reason — around 20 India-flag crude tankers transit the Persian Gulf every month carrying crude from Iraq, Saudi Arabia and other West Asian nations. This incident is sure to be worrisome for the crew who man these vessels.

If the issue is not resolved soon, INSA says it would look to raise it with international bodies.

“We are concerned for the safety of the Indian crew. We are looking at options to raise the issue with IMO or the International Transport Workers Federation, the supranational body for seafarers,” said Devli.

Also, for a legal recourse, India can approach the Indian Ocean MoU, of which Iran is a part although this process takes much longer.

 

[ChinaToday]

Iran's charges against MT Desh Shanti are absurd: India

Reacting angrily to the virtual hijacking of the Indian oil tanker MT Desh Shanti by Iran, New Delhi has provided proof that the ship was at least 400 nautical miles away from the area it is being accused of polluting. The ship was forcibly intercepted by the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) in the Persian Gulf last week and taken to the Iranian port of Bandar Abbas.

New Delhi has also told Tehran that the charge that oil spill from MT Desh Shanti polluted Iranian waters was absurd because the vessel was not carrying any crude at that time. In fact, the ship was carrying sea water as ballast when the IRGC intercepted it in international waters and forced the captain to move it towards Bandar Abbas.

These facts clearly show that Tehran is hitting back at New Delhi which has been steadily decreasing its oil imports from Iran. This is due to the sanctions imposed by the United States of America and the European Union to ensure that Iran doesn’t go ahead with its nuclear weapons programme. In fact, since 2010, Iran has slipped from being the second-highest supplier of crude to India, just behind Saudi Arabia, to being the sixth-largest supplier now. The supply of crude from Iran slipped from 18.1 million tonnes to 13.3 million tonnes in 2012-13, a fall of about 26.5%.

Much of India’s crude imports has now moved towards Iraq, which is unacceptable to Iran. Faced with this steady reduction of oil demand from a customer as large as India, Iran hit back last week by detaining MT Desh Shanti on false charges. New Delhi immediately swung into action and MEA and Shipping Corporation of India officials prepared a detailed dossier showing that the charges were absurd.

“We have supplied the longitude and latitude of the last position of the ship that has been certified by international authorities. This clearly shows that the ship was at least 400 nautical miles away from the position which the Iranians claim we polluted,” a senior foreign ministry official told dna. In fact, the ship was on its way to Fujairah port in Abu Dhabi and was only carrying sea water as ballast when the Iranians intercepted the ship.

Iran's charges against MT Desh Shanti are absurd: India - India - DNA