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Iran Condemns Egypt's Sectarian Killings As "Contradicting Islam"

oh yeah you take extremist sources when i give you wikipedia page

USA have extremist groups who believe in any country in the world christians are persecuted

mind why in green wave only shias have been killed

your articles give NO number : your country came from 30% to 5%
ours : most are Armenian roots and since we never got any problems with Armenians (that's quite the opposite)
of course they have no problem in Iran

go on take fox news and "voice of martyrs" extremist advices . very smart move :cheers:

Why do you people aways lie?

Jordanian Christians is estimated to number 174,000 to 390,000 (2.8-6%) of the population of 6,500,000,[2] which is lower than the near 20% in the early 20th century, and lower than percentages of Christians in neighboring Syria and Lebanon. This is largely due to lower birth rates in comparison with Muslims and to a strong influx of Muslim immigrants from neighboring countries. Also, a larger percent of Christians compared to Muslims emigrate to western countries, resulting in a large Jordanian Christian diaspora.

Jordanian Christians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


There are many sources prove Chrisian presecution and that is mainly due to mass coversion of Shia to Chrisianity.
 
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Why do you people aways lie?

Jordanian Christians is estimated to number 174,000 to 390,000 (2.8-6%) of the population of 6,500,000,[2] which is lower than the near 20% in the early 20th century, and lower than percentages of Christians in neighboring Syria and Lebanon. This is largely due to lower birth rates in comparison with Muslims and to a strong influx of Muslim immigrants from neighboring countries. Also, a larger percent of Christians compared to Muslims emigrate to western countries, resulting in a large Jordanian Christian diaspora.

Jordanian Christians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


There are many sources prove Chrisian presecution and that is mainly due to mass coversion of Shia to Chrisianity.

could you be honest once in this forum?

yes your country had many Christians in the past. not anymore.

Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jordan has an indigenous Christian minority. Christians made up 30% of the Jordanian population in 1950
And now:
Christians 6%
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/jo.html

so what happened that 30% become 6% ?
 
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Look, the crux of this instability everywhere, is that Saudi Arabia is spending copious amount of money to fuel sectarian divide/hatred, in order (in ther view) to contain Iran. So they fund extremist madrasas, extremist Salafi, channels etc.
Killings like these, are a result of such policies.
And Egypt is much more receptive to it, because of their economic situation. For example their decision to cut ties with Syria, was probably not just opportunistic because US decided to arm rebels, but also because of probably immense pressure they have faced from GCC states. Otherwise no money for Muslim Brotherhood.

So summa summarum: Saudi Arabia is throwing petrodollar everywhere, to shape public opinion against Iran and Shias.
Stupid and reactionary policy, but there you have it.

Saudi Arabia just announced they are giving loans to Egypt, so Salafi influence will only grow. more sectarian killing and more violence.

Egypt to borrow US$500 million from Saudi Arabia | Egypt Independent


Three things Shias of Egypt can do.

1.Demand that the state outlaws hate speech , and prosecutes those that cross the line

2.Counter the anti-shia propaganda by opeing up their own Televsion, Putting up their own posters, etc..

3.Threaten to politicize every attack and make an alliance with Christians and internationalize their case as well.

If all fails... We can move them to Iran or Iraq. :P
 
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could you be honest once in this forum?

yes your country had many Christians in the past. not anymore.

Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And now:
Christians 6%
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/jo.html

so what happened that 30% become 6% ?

Can you be less dumb just for once plz?

Ask yourself why their numbers decreased? Was it because they have been presecuted like in Iran? NO, it was because of this:


Jordanian Christians is estimated to number 174,000 to 390,000 (2.8-6%) of the population of 6,500,000,[2] which is lower than the near 20% in the early 20th century, and lower than percentages of Christians in neighboring Syria and Lebanon. This is largely due to lower birth rates in comparison with Muslims and to a strong influx of Muslim immigrants from neighboring countries. Also, a larger percent of Christians compared to Muslims emigrate to western countries, resulting in a large Jordanian Christian diaspora.
Jordanian Christians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Egyptians carry the coffin of a Shiite man, who was killed along with three others by a mob in Giza (Gianluigi Guercia / AFP)
 
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Christians are not prosecuted in Iran.


Religious freedom is in short supply in the Middle East, according to the bipartisan U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom, which has issued a report finding Iran chief among the nations where spiritual beliefs can bring prison sentences or worse.

The commission, which reports to President Obama, named several nations including Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, North Korea and China. But it singled out Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the theocratic state’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei for their harsh crackdown on non-Islamic religions.

“Since becoming president, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has called for an end to the development of Christianity in Iran,” noted the report in its section on the Iranian regime’s gutting of Christian freedoms.

The report took 15 countries to task over their “particularly severe” violations of religious freedom, which the commission defined as “systematic, ongoing, and egregious” acts of torture, prolonged detention without charges, disappearances, or “other flagrant denial of the right to life, liberty or the security of persons.” The exhaustive, 364-page report covered the period January 31, 2012 – January 31, 2013.


“Since becoming president, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has called for an end to the development of Christianity in Iran.”
- U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom



"The government of Iran's increased persecution of religious minorities should raise alarm around the world,” Sen. Mark Kirk, R-Ill., told FoxNews.com. "I urge the administration to designate key Iranian officials as human right abusers -- starting with the judge who put American citizen and Pastor Saeed Abedini in prison for practicing his faith."

The commission’s report cited the shocking case of U.S-Iranian pastor Abedini, who was sentenced in a January trial “without due process to eight years in prison for ’threatening the national security of Iran’ for his activity in the Christian house church movement.”

Jordan Sekulow, executive director of the American Center for Law and Justice, hailed the commission’s decision to highlight the plight of Abedini in its report.

“As the 2013 Iranian presidential election quickly approaches, many in the religious minority communities brace themselves for the worst,” said Sekulow, whose organization represents Abedini’s Idaho-based family. “Meanwhile, Pastor Saeed currently suffers in solitary confinement in Evin prison -- a place in which he said a single day passes like a 100 days. While we are grateful for the Commission's report and mention of Pastor Saeed, to see real change in Iran, countries around the global music raise a chorus of voices against these abuses."

It’s not just Christians who come under fire for their beliefs in Iran. Intensified state-sponsored anti-Semitism triggered sharp criticism in the report.

“Heightened anti-Semitism and repeated Holocaust denials by senior government officials and clerics continue to foster a climate of fear among Iran’s Jewish community,” the report stated. “Since the 1979 revolution, members of minority religious communities have fled Iran in significant numbers for fear of persecution.”

Wahied Wahdat-Hagh, a European expert on Iran who has written extensively on the persecution of Christians, Baha’is and Jews in the Islamic Republic, told FoxNews.com that USCIRF report is “especially important” because the document recommends that Voice of America and Radio Farda be expanded to “open Iran’s closed society.”

The German-Iranian scholar Wahdat-Hagh praised the report’s recommendation to use Internet freedom to counter religious persecution in Iran. The report recommends helping to develop free, secure email access for use in Iran, possibly through satellite, and to distribute counter-censorship programs to help citizens communicate without being spied on.

In addition to Iran, the USCIRF report urged Secretary of State John Kerry to designate Burma, China, Eritrea, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Uzbekistan as “countries of particular concern” (CPC) for their ongoing crackdowns on religious freedom. The USCIRF deemed seven other nations as meeting the criteria of CPC: Egypt, Iraq, Nigeria, Pakistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Vietnam.

"Of the top five U.S. foreign aid recipients, three -- Egypt, Iraq, Pakistan -- are countries USCIRF recommends for CPC status due to systematic, ongoing, egregious violations of religious freedom,” said Dwight Bashir, deputy director for policy at the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom. “Yet the State Department has not named any of the three countries, in part, because of competing strategic interests."

Benjamin Weinthal is a journalist who reports on religious freedom in the Middle East and is a fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. Follow Benjamin on Twitter: @BenWeinthal



Read more: Report finds Iran among worst violators of religious freedom | Fox News




They face jail time if they proselytize Christianity, other than that , they are protected and have a seat in parliament, get fundings for their church and programs.

Under the law no one can speak out against them. If Muslim imams says anything about them or incites hate speech against them they will be prosecuted.

Most of what your looking at is propaganda done by Western media to turn popular opinion against Iran.

Other Iranian members here can join in and tell you more about Christians in Iran.


They are procecuted by the state and people:

http://www.persecution.org/category/countries/middle-east/iran/

Persecuted Christians in Iran - Iranian Christian Leaders Martyred or Imprisoned in Iran, Iranian Christian Persecution, Iranian Christian Leaders Killed or Executed in Iran: Bahram Deghani-Tafti, Pastor Sayyah, Pastor Hossein Soodmand, Bishop Haik H

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Doug Bandow: Tehran's Fearful Muslim Fundamentalists: Religious Persecution in Iran

Christians in Iran Face Intense Persecution

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By Ken Horn, editor of the Pentecostal Evangel

SPRINGFIELD, MISSOURI -- George O. Wood and others of the Executive Leadership Team at the Assemblies of God national offices in Springfield, Missouri, recently participated in an international conference call with leaders of the Pentecostal movement in Iran.

The subject: the state of Christians who have been imprisoned for their faith, as well as the condition of the Iranian church, which is facing intense persecution nationwide.


U.S. church leaders gleaned information in a 30-minute conference call. No specific names of Christians in the Middle East country are being mentioned in this report.



The day after Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad publically congratulated Christians on the occasion of Christmas, an unprecedented roundup of followers of Christ began.



One leader publically condemned Christianity as an attack on the state religion. Iran's Sharia law makes it a capital crime for a Muslim to convert to Christianity. Based on the inflammatory rhetoric, Christians anticipated elevated persecution.



And that did indeed result. Many Christians were rounded up and imprisoned in the days following Christmas. Their homes were ransacked and vandalized, computers destroyed, possessions seized and Christian art desecrated. The government is vowing more arrests.



Prisoners are allowed occasional outside contact. Some have said the physical conditions are better than expected, but others tell a different story < one reminiscent of historic totalitarian regimes.


"Intimidation, harassment, accusations and violence" are the weapons of choice. Family members are threatened with violence and rape. Individuals are coerced to sign admissions that they have been deceived and return to Islam.



One Christian has endured three months of pressure to sign papers of confession for various crimes of which he is innocent.



But despite the threats, most followers of Christ are finding cause for rejoicing in the midst of their suffering.



One was told if Christians would simply agree to stop ministering, all the prisoners would be freed. But that clearly will not happen. Church leaders point to this persecution as evidence that they're "doing a good job" of spreading the gospel.



One imprisoned female Christian, though facing health challenges, says she has had the opportunity to lead three people to the Lord, including a criminal on death row, making her trial worthwhile.



Another woman was arrested and interrogated for several hours. When she returned home, she was rejoicing that, because she had been arrested, she was able to lead someone else to salvation in Jesus.



No churches have been allowed to be built in Iran for decades. But this has caused house churches to proliferate, with hundreds in some cities. There are an estimated 1 million Christians among Iran's 77 million people. And despite the looming threat, Shi'ite Muslims are turning to Christ in unprecedented numbers. One government official called this "a disaster."



Thus far, Christians are known to have been arrested in at least 35 cities in Iran. There also are prisoners incarcerated for their faith in locations not made public.



One individual on the conference call asked why the persecution has escalated now.



A Christian in Iran replied that it's because Christianity has been "discovered to be far more widespread than thought."



"For the first time the government is telling the truth," the Iranian Christian reported. "Christianity is widespread, and we thank God for it." And the Western media has taken a significant interest.



Iranian Christians believe the time is now to do everything they can for Christ. Young men and women are passionate to bring people to Him. They are even enthused about sharing the gospel in their prisons. They are hopeful for a greater impact than ever.



"This year we will print more Scriptures than ever before," one Iranian Christian said. Television and the Internet are having great impact, with many coming to salvation in Christ through those venues.



This is a crucial harvest hour, Iranian Christians assert. The reaction of the authorities is due to the success of the church. The more persecution there is, the stronger the Christian determination.



They sense "the goal of the government is to frighten [Christians] so that when they are released they will flee Iran," thus purging the nation of Christianity.



But Christians don't intend to flee.



"Keep calm and carry on," they say, borrowing a motto from an earlier world conflict. "'Keep calm,'" for the government is upon His shoulders. 'Carry on,' because He has promised to never leave or forsake us."



For now, the greatest ways in which Christians elsewhere can help brothers and sisters in Iran include:



* Intercessory prayer.



* Church leaders in other countries to send messages of support for house churches and ask the Iranian regime to release imprisoned Christians and give them freedom of worship.
Christians in Iran Face Intense Persecution


Report finds Iran among worst violators of religious freedom
 
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Egyptian Shias keep low profile in face of defamation


CAIRO &#8212; The Sufis&#8217; chants rose in an accelerating rhythm.

"Have a look upon us, have a look upon us... you who were given the precious knowledge."

Thursday marked the birthday &#8212; Mulid &#8212; of Al-Sayeda Nafisa, wife of one of Prophet Muhammad's grandsons. The air was filled with eulogy poems, music and Quran recitations by thousands of her devotees from across the country who travel annually to her mausoleum in Old Cairo. They ask her for guidance and to grant the wishes they whisper to her tomb.

Hundreds of large tents were erected around the mosque to accommodate the visitors. Each tent carries a banner that shows the Sufi sect that manages it and the governorate it comes from.

One tent in particular, with a sign reading, "The Khalilia Sect &#8212; Giza" was quieter than all the others. It catered food and beverages for the poor and needy, but offered no music nor dhikr dancing.

"Of course not all those who are celebrating the Mulid are Sufis, many of them are Shias," said Khaled Alatfy, editor-in-chief of "The Arabic Family" newspaper, who was sitting inside the Khalilia of Giza tent. "But most of them don&#8217;t wish to be identified."

Sufism and Shia Islam share many characteristics, including the deep love and glorification of Prophet Muhammad's bloodline, Ahl al-Bayt.

"Many Shias prefer to practice their faith under the umbrella of Sufism," said Alatfy. Sufism, he said, provides a tolerant safe haven while carrying a more socially and politically acceptable label.

Hundreds of Shia were hunted, imprisoned, and persecuted under the rule of the toppled president Hosni Mubarak.

There is no law that prohibits one from being Shia, but police and prosecutors have chosen from a variety of "disrespecting religion," and "disrupting the social harmony" charges that can be stretched to fit anyone who belongs to a non acceptable faith or ideology.

Alatfy spoke in a low voice; he didn't want to attract attention. Media were not welcomed inside the tent, and photography was strictly prohibited.

Many members of this specific sect, Alatfy explained, had been arrested and subjected to constant police surveillance and harassment. In 1996, Hasan Shehata, an imam in Giza, gained notoriety for publicly preaching Shia Islam. He was frank and spoke up harshly and satirically against Sunni Islam.

It wasn't long before he, hundreds of his followers, and many who were suspected to be followers were arrested without charge under emergency law.

One of the strictly Sufi members of the sect, who wished not to be identified, said that he spent five months in prison and was summoned several times for security checks for no apparent reason.

"I had some friends who happened to be among the audience of Hasan Shehata, and that was my only crime," he said.

The agonizing past of Egyptian Shia in the past two decades is not the only reason that keeps many reluctant to speak.

Mohammad Al Hussieny, a Shia primary school teacher, grabbed from his pocket a leaflet distributed in the streets of Cairo few weeks ago. It read: "Shias are the enemy of God and the spies of Iran. They are more dangerous to the Islamic Nation than the Jews. Shias must be expelled out of Egypt."

The Salafist rise after the Arab Spring uprising in Egypt evoked an unprecedented anti-Shia wave of hatred. The new Egyptian constitution has an article that limits the interpretation of Sharia law to the sources and jurisprudence of the Sunni doctrine.

That article is viewed by Shias as a gateway to ban the celebration of Al-Sayeda Nafisa's birthday, and hundreds of similar Mulids commemorated in every corner of Egypt, and enforce more hostile policies against their freedom to express their faith.

In September 2012, the Supreme Administrative Court rejected granting a permit for Al Tahrir Party, a socialist party founded by several Shia figures, because it was "based on religious principle." This wasn&#8217;t an obstacle for the Muslim Brotherhood&#8217;s Freedom and Justice Party, nor for the Salafi Al-Nour party, both of which have strong declared Islamic affiliations.
Since Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad visited Egypt last February, Salafist movements have initiated an ongoing campaign against Shias. They have called for marches to counter the "Iranian-Shia tide," and organized conferences about the "dangers of Shiism."

Two weeks ago, there were clashes between Salafist demonstrators and the security forces surrounding the house of the head of the Iranian mission in Cairo.

The reasons for the Salafists&#8217; hostility are not merely religious, but also political, according to Khaled Saeed, spokesperson of the Salafi Front, one of the hardliner Sunni groups who took part in the latest anti-Shia campaign.

"Look at the east of Saudi Arabia, the south of Lebanon, and what's happening in Bahrain and Iraq. Iran spreads havoc everywhere they reach," Saaed said in a phone interview.

Saeed claims that Egyptian Shia are not the target.

"As long as they are fully integrated inside the Egyptian society, they are not an enemy,&#8221; said Saeed. &#8220;It is a different story if they tried manifesting the Iranian agenda."

Saeed asserts that some Salafist groups are using the anti-Shia rhetoric for political gains.

"It is a way of attracting more followers and strengthen[ing] their unity in front of a common enemy," he said.

Saeed added that it is possible some Salafist forces are using the Shia card to pressure the Muslim Brotherhood regime trying to normalize diplomatic relations with Iran and allow Iranian tourism, which has been suspended since the seventies.

It is hard to draw a strict line between where religious motives end and electoral strategies begin. The results are the same: the majority of Shia are keeping a low profile, and continue to practice their faith with a great deal of secrecy and caution, yet with a strong belief that their community shall survive the difficult circumstances.

"Isn't it ironic to see leaflets calling for kicking Shias out of Egypt, while they were the ones who built its capital?" asked the teacher Al Hussieny bitterly.

Cairo was built during the Fatimid Shia dynasty that ruled Egypt in the 10th century. Shrines and holy sites like that of Al-Sayeda Nafisa are spread everywhere in the historical parts of the capital and remain a source of comfort and strength to Shia and Sufis.

"We built it, we will stay in it, and so will our sons and grandsons," said Al Hussieny in a resilient tone.



Egyptian Shias keep low profile in face of defamation | GlobalPost
 
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Muslims should not rejoice nor condemn this act. Not rejoicing because this is a Mob Attack something which is the States and Govt responsibility to bring these people to justice and Hang them for Cursing Islam and Muslims.

Not condemning this because Hassan Shehata was the most filthiest creatures Zindeeq Kaffir on the face of this earth. He and Yassir Habib who lives in England.

If you skip to 7:15. He called Ayesha the Mother of Muslims and Believers the filthiest creature and cursed her. Other clips in Arabic he called her "Who-re" "Donkey" and other ****** things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4VSp6iXD_9w#at=453

I know cursing and make fun of peoples religion is part of the children of Mut3aa. But Islam and early Muslims and the Companions are the most beloved for the Muslims after the Prophet. I would have taken these Kaffirs by the neck and took them down the police station for public execution.
 
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Can you be less dumb just for once plz?

Ask yourself why their numbers decreased? Was it because they have been presecuted like in Iran? NO, it was because of this:


Jordanian Christians is estimated to number 174,000 to 390,000 (2.8-6%) of the population of 6,500,000,[2] which is lower than the near 20% in the early 20th century, and lower than percentages of Christians in neighboring Syria and Lebanon. This is largely due to lower birth rates in comparison with Muslims and to a strong influx of Muslim immigrants from neighboring countries. Also, a larger percent of Christians compared to Muslims emigrate to western countries, resulting in a large Jordanian Christian diaspora.
Jordanian Christians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

yeah dumb

30% in 1950 => 6% now

as you say they migrate and you import muslims to make them a minority
but you seem to be proud of it
 
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Can you be less dumb just for once plz?

Ask yourself why their numbers decreased? Was it because they have been presecuted like in Iran? NO, it was because of this:


Jordanian Christians is estimated to number 174,000 to 390,000 (2.8-6%) of the population of 6,500,000,[2] which is lower than the near 20% in the early 20th century, and lower than percentages of Christians in neighboring Syria and Lebanon. This is largely due to lower birth rates in comparison with Muslims and to a strong influx of Muslim immigrants from neighboring countries. Also, a larger percent of Christians compared to Muslims emigrate to western countries, resulting in a large Jordanian Christian diaspora.
Jordanian Christians - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why do a larger number emigrate?
 
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I know cursing and make fun of peoples religion is part of the children of Mut3aa. But Islam and early Muslims and the Companions are the most beloved for the Muslims after the Prophet. I would have taken these Kaffirs by the neck and took them down the police station for public execution.


Exactly why your country Pakistan is a $hithole , daily bombs, terrorist walking around freely, bombing hospitals, universities, and that's why you have to live in a free and safe country like America.
 
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Exactly why your country Pakistan is a $hithole , daily bombs, terrorist walking around freely, bombing hospitals, universities, and that's why you have to live in a free country like America.

America **** yeah, coming again to save the mother ******* day yeah!:lol::lol:
 
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America **** yeah, coming again to save the mother ******* day yeah!:lol::lol:

I don't think any Iranian member here ever insulted America or argued that it isn't a safe or free country.

Most Iranians don't hate America or Americans at all. It's all about polices and politics.

But these Muslim extremist on this forum live in the west, they wouldn't dare go back to their $hithole terrorist infested countries. or most of them wished they lived in a country like America where they don't get beheaded or killed for expressing their views.
 
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Exactly why your country Pakistan is a $hithole , daily bombs, terrorist walking around freely, bombing hospitals, universities, and that's why you have to live in a free and safe country like America.

Your country and My country are in the same $hithole. The difference is my parents didn't come to America for the reason you did.

sigeh2.jpg

All the way from Mashad, Iran. Don't try to implement these things in California or else it will become another "$hithole".
 
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I don't think any Iranian member here ever insulted America or argued that it isn't safe or free. Most Iranians don't hate America or Americans at all. It's all about polices and politics.

But these Muslim extremist on this forum live in the west, they wouldn't dare go back to their $hithole terrorist infested countries. or most of them wished they lived in a country like America where they don't get beheaded or killed for expressing their views.
Just singing a team america song:P

I go off topic a lot.

But I agree nothing annoys me more when you get extremist idiots dissing western countries and its people when they live in them. Just look at what is happening in Europe.
 
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