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Iran announces mass production of Fakour air-to-air missile

:lol:....
Study the thread ???? What's there to study..... You were successfully able to copy the AIM which was given to you by the US in 70s.... you added a small strap at the sides for Maybe maneuverability.... Successfully managed to screw up the range and Yes the Speed remains to be the same as Mac5.... Ok I'm a Child...... But you grownup can't see the difference......
Oh please the guidance system ??? ofcourse you can;t have the US one so you added your own which again most probably clone of the US or USSR ones :enjoy:
the problem is you cant see its an upgraded MIM-23 in the Shell of AIM-54
and about copy of USA or Russia seeker
yeah pretty much look the same
Original MIM-23
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Shalamcheh missile
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Shahin Missile
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yeah they are practically one on one copy of each other

http://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/70790


Displaying six of the bulky 450kg indigenous platforms in ceremony, the Iranian military has announced that its Fakour-90 radar guided air to air missiles have been put into mass production. The missile bears a strong resemblance to the U.S. AIM-54 Phoenix, which at the time of its entry into service in 1974 was the longest missile of its kind in the world and for which the Imperial Iranian Air Force was the only foreign client. Following the Islamic Revolution of 1979 and Tehran’s sharp pivot away from the Western Bloc, the Iranian military undertook extensive efforts to develop the parts to service its U.S. made aircraft domestically - the most difficult of which was the F-14 Tomcat heavy air superiority fighter which deployed the Phoenix missiles. Alongside developing indigenous capabilities to service the Tomcats, Iran has also gone to great lengths to develop a missile capable of replacing the Phoenix - sending an AIM-54 and according to some reports an entire F-14 fighter to the Soviet Union for study in exchange for assistance in developing such a missile. With the USSR operating the highly similar R-33 missile, a platform with an original range of 120km which was gradually enhanced and given superior fuel composites to gain a 300km range, Moscow was well placed to aid its new partner in developing an indigenous variant of the AIM-54 as relations between the two countries improved and a strong defence partnership developed from the late 1980s.

The Fakour-90 not only matches the capabilities of the AIM-54, but improves on them considerably - with Iranian sources putting the range at 300km and Western experts estimating a range of around 220km - compared to the original platform’s 180km range. Like the original platform, the Fakour-90 retains a guidance system capable of providing a radar lock independently of the launch aircraft’s own radar - a key capability lacked by modern Western combat aircraft and most of those fielded by Russia which makes Iran’s F-14 fleet potentially highly lethal in beyond visual range engagements. According to Iranian Defence Minister Amir Hatami, who attended the ceremony for the beginning of mass production of the new missile, the platform its set to be used by a variety of aircraft - indicating that aircraft other than the F-14 will for the first time be equipped with the Fakour-90. With the F-14 serving as the only high end air superiority fighter or interceptor in the Iranian military, should other aircraft be equipped with the missiles they will almost certainly deploy them in smaller numbers. Iran’s indigenous Saeqeh twin engine fighter is a leading candidate for deployment of the missiles, though its limited payload means it is unlikely to deploy more than two compared to the F-14's six.

The Fakour 90 remains the longest ranged air to air missile produced by any country other than Russia which is currently in active service - representing one of the most considerable and unique assets of the Iranian military and among the greatest threats to hostile aircraft in its airspace and well beyond. Traveling at over Mach 5 and striking with the same degree of precision if not higher than the AIM-54 did, the missile can target enemy fighters well beyond their retaliation range and provides an excellent complement to the country’s surface to air missile network relied on for the bulk of the country’s anti aircraft capabilities. Indeed, Fakour-90 equipped F-14 fighters, and possibly other jets armed with the missiles, may well represent the only outstanding asset in an otherwise highly mediocre air force.
Fakour-90 its something that they named as Maqsoud in this unveiling and will be announced later
 
the problem is you cant see its an upgraded MIM-23 in the Shell of AIM-54
and about copy of USA or Russia seeker
yeah pretty much look the same
Original MIM-23
oldhawk.jpg

Shalamcheh missile
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Shahin Missile
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yeah they are practically one on one copy of each other


Fakour-90 its something that they named as Maqsoud in this unveiling and will be announced later
I think Maqsoud is long range one, this one is Fakour-90 ... Fakour & Maqsoud.
What are these names?there are much more better names.
 
I think Maqsoud is long range one, this one is Fakour-90 ... Fakour & Maqsoud.
What are these names?there are much more better names.
the problem is Fakour 90 supposed to be based on AIM-54 but this one use component from MIM-23

also another of my problem is the size of missile , if it use m112 fo engine then the diameter is 370mm but the body of AIM-54 is 380mm wide so even that body is not an exact copy of AIM-54 , to be honest fins aside if you look at the body looks more like Shahin Missile than Phoenix. its why I think this Fakour is the fruition of project Sedjil and for Fakour-90 we must still wait.

you see , if we wanted to use Sedjil with MIM-23 shel then each F-14 had a limitation of carrying two missile ,while when they modified the shell to look like AIM-54 now they can carry the 6 missile. (the wings of MIM-23 is actually larger than the Wing Of Phoenix while the body itself is smaller.
 
Phoenix is an excellent missile. Hope to see it on Su-30SM in the near future.




If only your F-14s could reach us

Iran has no territorial claim on Israel like UAE has on Iran or Japan has on Russia or Ukraine has on Russia.

F-14 and AIM-54 have ever been used by 2 countries. America and Iran. Consider that. America armed Iran to the teeth in the 1970s to fight Arabs.
 
A couple of days ago someone on this forum opened a thread and was asking why people dont believe it when Iran claims it developed a new weapon system. Well this missile is a prime example of what strips Iranian defence industry of trust.

People developing defence industry products go bottom-up, not up-down. You start with technology demonstrators, then produce small versions of the thing you are trying to make and then go up from there. There is no exception to this. Spacex didnt start from falcon heavy then build falcon 9 and then at the end build falcon 1. Lockheed Martin didnt start from f-22. Nasa didnt start from the space shuttle.

My point is, when someone claims they built a product there is usually history and heritage to prove that. Other companies and countries can show all the steps they followed until arriving at the point they are at.

Now Iran claims it built a fakkour 90 long range bvr missile. While Iran doesnt even have a wvr missile. No past tests, technology demonstrators or prototypes are there to show they have been working on it. And I am not even gonna mention how almost identical it looks to Phoenix missiles which is in Iran inventory. In such circumstances how does Iran expect others to take it seriously?

This missile is a poor quality copy of Phoenix at best and an empty tin shell of propaganda at worst.
 
you added a small strap at the sides for Maybe maneuverability.... Successfully managed to screw up the range and Yes the Speed remains to be the same as Mac5.... Ok I'm a Child...... But you grownup can't see the difference......
Oh please the guidance system ??? ofcourse you can;t have the US one so you added your own which again most probably clone of the US or USSR ones :enjoy:

:Dso you added a small strap there managed to reduce the range by 40KM :D and call it a new missile developed by Iran ???:o:

Its a new missile whether you like it or not.

I will repeat the points again.

- Different Seeker than Aim-54 (Far more modern Local SARH of Shahin/Salamche, Pictures added in this thread already, I can post them again).
- Different Motor (M112 of Hawk not Mk47/60 of Aim-54).
- Strap is most probably a cord duct almost same as on Mim-23 Hawk/Shahin/Shalmche.
- Its a replacement for AIM-7 not AIM-54, can be carried by Chinese upgraded F-4E as well.

By the way, IRIAF has been testing or using MIM-23 A2A on F-14 for number of years (I can post pics) labeled as AIM-23, no wonder that manifested into a MIM-23 based missile with AIM-54 like appearance and specification.

A couple of days ago someone on this forum opened a thread and was asking why people dont believe it when Iran claims it developed a new weapon system. Well this missile is a prime example of what strips Iranian defence industry of trust.

People developing defence industry products go bottom-up, not up-down. You start with technology demonstrators, then produce small versions of the thing you are trying to make and then go up from there. There is no exception to this. Spacex didnt start from falcon heavy then build falcon 9 and then at the end build falcon 1. Lockheed Martin didnt start from f-22. Nasa didnt start from the space shuttle.

My point is, when someone claims they built a product there is usually history and heritage to prove that. Other companies and countries can show all the steps they followed until arriving at the point they are at.

Now Iran claims it built a fakkour 90 long range bvr missile. While Iran doesnt even have a wvr missile. No past tests, technology demonstrators or prototypes are there to show they have been working on it. And I am not even gonna mention how almost identical it looks to Phoenix missiles which is in Iran inventory. In such circumstances how does Iran expect others to take it seriously?

This missile is a poor quality copy of Phoenix at best and an empty tin shell of propaganda at worst.

Just because you are not following something does not mean it does not exist. Read my above post, research the topic, post your thoughts and we will talk again.
 
A couple of days ago someone on this forum opened a thread and was asking why people dont believe it when Iran claims it developed a new weapon system. Well this missile is a prime example of what strips Iranian defence industry of trust.

People developing defence industry products go bottom-up, not up-down. You start with technology demonstrators, then produce small versions of the thing you are trying to make and then go up from there. There is no exception to this. Spacex didnt start from falcon heavy then build falcon 9 and then at the end build falcon 1. Lockheed Martin didnt start from f-22. Nasa didnt start from the space shuttle.

My point is, when someone claims they built a product there is usually history and heritage to prove that. Other companies and countries can show all the steps they followed until arriving at the point they are at.

Now Iran claims it built a fakkour 90 long range bvr missile. While Iran doesnt even have a wvr missile. No past tests, technology demonstrators or prototypes are there to show they have been working on it. And I am not even gonna mention how almost identical it looks to Phoenix missiles which is in Iran inventory. In such circumstances how does Iran expect others to take it seriously?

This missile is a poor quality copy of Phoenix at best and an empty tin shell of propaganda at worst.

Back in March and April 2017 Iran already demonstrated the missile
 
Its a new missile whether you like it or not.

I will repeat the points again.

- Different Seeker than Aim-54 (Far more modern Local SARH of Shahin/Salamche, Pictures added in this thread already, I can post them again).
- Different Motor (M112 of Hawk not Mk47/60 of Aim-54).
- Strap is most probably a cord duct almost same as on Mim-23 Hawk/Shahin/Shalmche.
- Its a replacement for AIM-7 not AIM-54, can be carried by Chinese upgraded F-4E as well.

By the way, IRIAF has been testing or using MIM-23 A2A on F-14 for number of years (I can post pics) labeled as AIM-23, no wonder that manifested into a MIM-23 based missile with AIM-54 like appearance and specification.



Just because you are not following something does not mean it does not exist. Read my above post, research the topic, post your thoughts and we will talk again.
I discussed enough. Show me irans wvr and standard bvr missiles and we will talk again.

Back in March and April 2017 Iran already demonstrated the missile
Good, at least this proves it is not an empty tin shell. But still lack of prerequisites and heritage suggests this is nothing more than a poor copyof the Phoenix.
 
Phoenix is an excellent missile. Hope to see it on Su-30SM in the near future.






Iran has no territorial claim on Israel like UAE has on Iran or Japan has on Russia or Ukraine has on Russia.

F-14 and AIM-54 have ever been used by 2 countries. America and Iran. Consider that. America armed Iran to the teeth in the 1970s to fight Arabs.
Is that why they're promising to liberate Palestine?
Those Phoenix missiles and any kind of reverse engineering of it would be useless in the modern world.
 
A couple of days ago someone on this forum opened a thread and was asking why people dont believe it when Iran claims it developed a new weapon system. Well this missile is a prime example of what strips Iranian defence industry of trust.

People developing defence industry products go bottom-up, not up-down. You start with technology demonstrators, then produce small versions of the thing you are trying to make and then go up from there. There is no exception to this. Spacex didnt start from falcon heavy then build falcon 9 and then at the end build falcon 1. Lockheed Martin didnt start from f-22. Nasa didnt start from the space shuttle.

My point is, when someone claims they built a product there is usually history and heritage to prove that. Other companies and countries can show all the steps they followed until arriving at the point they are at.

Now Iran claims it built a fakkour 90 long range bvr missile. While Iran doesnt even have a wvr missile. No past tests, technology demonstrators or prototypes are there to show they have been working on it. And I am not even gonna mention how almost identical it looks to Phoenix missiles which is in Iran inventory. In such circumstances how does Iran expect others to take it seriously?

This missile is a poor quality copy of Phoenix at best and an empty tin shell of propaganda at worst.
First Iran previously built Fatter missile with a range of 30km
Second this missile is Fakour not Fakour-90 and even is not based on Fakour-90 ,its the result of project Sedjil which we pursued from 35 years ago but shelved it after iran-Iraq war . and since 10-15 years ago we seriously followed and invested in it again.
And this missile has nothing to do with phoenix , project sedjil was a program to use MIM-23 in F-14 and because we now fire the missile from high altitude and at high speed and because of better aerodynamic the missile range increased.

So you see when people doubt about iran weapon programs they usually show their lack of understanding about the program.

I discussed enough. Show me irans wvr and standard bvr missiles and we will talk again.


Good, at least this proves it is not an empty tin shell. But still lack of prerequisites and heritage suggests this is nothing more than a poor copyof the Phoenix.
Again if you did your lesson you knew iran already built Fatter missile
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatter
 
A couple of days ago someone on this forum opened a thread and was asking why people dont believe it when Iran claims it developed a new weapon system. Well this missile is a prime example of what strips Iranian defence industry of trust.

People developing defence industry products go bottom-up, not up-down. You start with technology demonstrators, then produce small versions of the thing you are trying to make and then go up from there. There is no exception to this. Spacex didnt start from falcon heavy then build falcon 9 and then at the end build falcon 1. Lockheed Martin didnt start from f-22. Nasa didnt start from the space shuttle.

My point is, when someone claims they built a product there is usually history and heritage to prove that. Other companies and countries can show all the steps they followed until arriving at the point they are at.

Now Iran claims it built a fakkour 90 long range bvr missile. While Iran doesnt even have a wvr missile. No past tests, technology demonstrators or prototypes are there to show they have been working on it. And I am not even gonna mention how almost identical it looks to Phoenix missiles which is in Iran inventory. In such circumstances how does Iran expect others to take it seriously?

This missile is a poor quality copy of Phoenix at best and an empty tin shell of propaganda at worst.

There is numerous pieces of hard evidence raised by multiple people in this and other threads this is in fact based on the HAWK SAM, and not a Pheonix copy. Here is an article I wrote on it, with nice red rectangles outlining the evidence so you can see them for yourself.

And just because you have not bothered to read up on the heritage doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Iran's plan to turn the HAWK into an A2A missile began with the Sedjil program in the Iran-Iraq war back in the 1980s, when Iran was running low on AIM-54 stocks. Fakour is the final culmination of that.

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In fact this probably has the longest "heritage" of any other air to air missile.
 
I discussed enough. Show me irans wvr and standard bvr missiles and we will talk again.

Your whole argument of one should create this before that, is nonsense because everyone has a unique starting point based upon their own circumstances. Some scientists start from publishing in weaker journals and move up from there, some directly debut in higher impact journals and try to maintain that quality. It depends upon their own research strategy based upon availability of resources. Your nation purchased Chinese SRBM's instead of developing indigenous systems. Does that imply turkey can not even build a guided SRBM ? No it means that Turkish planners have their own unique strategy of indigenous development.

Who told you that this is the first missile IRIAF has wielded. They have been toying with A2A MIM-23 for years on F-14. This effort was started during 80s war. Fakour missile is more of a Modernised local hawk (modernised SARH and motor of Shahin/Salamche SAM) than AIM-54. Same Hawk that IRIAF tomcats have been carrying for years on patrols. What are the advantages ? Could be better modern electronics, better maneuverability and cost. 4 Interceptors F-14AM and radar upgraded F-4E/D can deploy a total of 20 such locally built SARH Fakours at a distance of 120+ km (Phantoms are getting chinese radar)... a total of of 20 missiles even with 50 % pk means 10 hostile aircraft will be in serious danger. Its local so its a cheap solution for IRIAF for LR-BVR combat.

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Your whole argument of one should create this before that, is nonsense because everyone has a unique starting point based upon their own circumstances. Some scientists start from publishing in weaker journals and move up from there, some directly debut in higher impact journals and try to maintain that quality. It depends upon their own research strategy based upon availability of resources. Your nation purchased Chinese SRBM's instead of developing indigenous systems. Does that imply turkey can not even build a guided SRBM ? No it means that Turkish planners have their own unique strategy of indigenous development.

Who told you that this is the first missile IRIAF has wielded. They have been toying with A2A MIM-23 for years on F-14. This effort was started during 80s war. Fakour missile is more of a Modernised local hawk (modernised SARH and motor of Shahin/Salamche SAM) than AIM-54. Same Hawk that IRIAF tomcats have been carrying for years on patrols. What are the advantages ? Could be better modern electronics, better maneuverability and cost. 4 Interceptors F-14AM and radar upgraded F-4E/D can deploy a total of 20 such locally built SARH Fakours at a distance of 120+ km (Phantoms are getting chinese radar)... a total of of 20 missiles even with 50 % pk means 10 hostile aircraft will be in serious danger. Its local so its a cheap solution for IRIAF for LR-BVR combat.

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changing the design of the fin has one benefit , previously F-14 could only carry two AIM-23 (Sedjil) but know it can carry up to 6 missile so 4xf14 mean 24 missile .
there is one thing I wonder an its how many a Mig-29 or F-4 can carry
 
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