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If we made the parts for ANKA, then we should at least have a comparable functioning drone. We have nothing remotely comparable to ANKA. If being a supplier was all it took, Turkey could make their own F35 because they were a major supplier.
We have three drones with comparable capabilities to ANKA.
Falco, Shahpar, Burraq.

That said for Kashmir and the Eastern border, drones aren't really useful, except for recce. Drone strikes are useful for when the enemy has little by 6he way of an opposing Air Force. Like the enemies the Turks face. Or us on the Western border.

Can ANKA or any Iranian drone hope to survive over a fully deployed Indian armoured and mechanised formation with integrated AD? GHQ and AHQ are certain Falco, Shahpar, Burraq cannot.
 
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What the world witnessed with use of drones in warfare by Turkey, America and other states, is but a glimpse into what future wars will be like. However people are still unaware of the ground realities of how deadly autonomous war machines will become in a decade from now.

For Pakistan, there are key areas which must be addressed. Most important, at the top of the table, is the brain power. It is imperative that Pakistan focuses on specifically target the education curriculum. We need to enhance the nucleus of Pakistanis in the fields of machine automation, application programming, metaphysics, metallurgy, electrical and mechanical engineering, medicine and so on.

This cannot happen if the standard of our education system is obsolete, corrupt and a money making scheme for every idiot with money. The money making mindset is toxic for a society that hasn't even managed to claw its way out of things feudalism and religious extremism. The fact that the overwhelming majority have not manage to fuse the study of the Noble Qur'an with that of modern education. Goes to show how disorganized, wayward we really are as a nation. The problem is systemic, and it requires Pakistanis, as a nation to take stock of what is really happening to us.

I do not underestimate Pakistan's resolve, where Pakistan has shocked the world on several occasions throughout history. I would urge my fellow countrymen to get organized, unite (even if in small pockets), chart out plans for educational reforms on small scale and move forward with it. In my locale, I have done the same with family members, establishing institution which provides education opportunities to the under privileged. It is not just free education, rather quality education which gives these youngsters the necessary tools to deal with viciousness that many Pakistanis face today.

Again, Pakistan won't be left behind. You can underestimate Pakistan all you want, we welcome it. You can dismiss us as a fluke nation, we welcome it. That's not something that bothers me, what I do want to see however, and urge my fellow countrymen to strive for, is to achieve unity through the study of the Noble Qur'an, first. Follow that up by conquering modern education, not just attaining it, but also dominating it. We have examples all around us, China and Russia being prime examples. We can learn a lot, achieve great heights .... if only we start with the Noble Qur'an and establish a powerful state of Imaan. You don't need to grow a foot-long beard to achieve it, the world will be at your bidding, if only you submit yourselves to the One, the Only Absolute Power, Allah Subhanahu Wata'aaalah.
 
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Another issue we put it that way , Turkey and Iran doesn't have backbone of fighter jets. We already in the field of building planes which are sanction proof. Iran doesn't have any infrastructure for fighter jet building and same with Turkey. Both Turkey and Iran has US made jets which always comes with bugs of sanction. So, Iran and Turkey spending toward drone is excellent idea and its cheap and fast way to control border region. Pakistan face F16 part sanction many times and now divert its resources to have its own backbone frame.
 
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Turkey for sure is a major drone power in the world but Iran not so much.

Turkey is actually world's top 3 proven drone power right now considering their drone have turned battlefields in their favor on multiple occasions (Syria, Libya, Azerbaijaan etc). Turkish drone program is spearheaded by an MiT graduate btw.
You made my century.
 
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If you want to properly rate a country for Drone power you take few things in mind:
  • Drone range
  • Endurance
  • flight ceiling
  • speed (engine type, propeller or jet)
  • Stealth features
  • Payload
  • Autonomous capabilities (AI)
  • Sensors
  • Size (miro to fully grown)
  • Field combat record.
Considering all of the above:
1- US
2- China
3-Iran
4-Israel
5-Russia
6-Turkey
7-others
The most shocking demonstration of Drone power was in an attack on the largest Saudi oil facility by Iranian Drones and cruise missiles conducted via Yemen Houthies. The attack was more than 1000 km away and designed to disable and not destroy the facility. To this date no one really knows how it was done.

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Iranian Jet powered,Stealth, attack drones under artificial Formation control hundreds of kilometers from launch site.
 
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Pakistani love affair with Iran is so hilarious :laugh:

How bad must things be in Pakistan if you constantly look up to a failed state like Iran as inspiration.

You cannot even begin to compare Iran's drones with Turkey superior tech. What a joke.
 
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Pakistani love affair with Iran is so hilarious :laugh:

How bad must things be in Pakistan if you constantly look up to a failed state like Iran as inspiration.

You cannot even begin to compare Iran's drones with Turkey superior tech. What a joke.
It appears you need to go back to school and this time around not cheat...Science and tech can not be claimed it can only be demonstrated.
 
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To my knowledge the only countries that have actually used or sold armed UAV's that have been used in combat are:

1. US
2. China
3. Turkey
4. Iran
5. Israel

We've been using Burraq in combat for years now.

while Pakistan is nowhere to be seen. Hopefully that will change soon.

That's an inaccurate statement. We've been exporting drones for decades, even to the US.

 
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Drones are useless without AI controls. And ONLY Turkey has an effective AI system for drones. Iran is NOT in the same league - this is just pure propaganda.

Iran had been making drones before the likes of Turks even knew what they were. You do not have the slightest clue what you're talking about. Iran is actively using AI control in its UAVs for example for swarm control:

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What ever technology gain iran has taken is simply pumped by the Russia, the moment they pull it back they won't have anything.

Sure, show me a single piece of UAV technology that Iran is using that is "pumped" by Russia. I'll wait.

Turkey for sure is a major drone power in the world but Iran not so much.

Turkey is actually world's top 3 proven drone power right now considering their drone have turned battlefields in their favor on multiple occasions (Syria, Libya, Azerbaijaan etc). Turkish drone program is spearheaded by an MiT graduate btw.

Iran is more advanced than Turkey in every aspect of UAV technology. There is not a single piece of UAV technology that Turks possess that Iran does not, meanwhile Iran is producing jet powered UAV with air to air roles etc. Moreover, you're comparing a country like Iran which manufactures the parts for its own UAVs to a country likes Turkey that is relying on importing engines, sensors etc?

As for Turkey being a top 3 proven power, let me know when they achieve something likes this:

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People are seriously overestimating these Turkish UAVs.
 
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Targetting Oilfields doesn't need special drones you can do that with commericial drones if upgraded.

Yes, because those fields are sitting defenceless with no protection. These mental gymnastics you come up with to hide your embarrassment only shows you do not have any real counter-arguments. Abqiaq is one the most important facilities in the entire Saudi mainland, it was temporarily taken out of commission and not a single UAV was shot down. If you think this can achieved by "commercial drones", then you only highlight the the incompetence of your military.

As for the Houthi Drones they getting downed 99.9% of the times.

Sure they are.

What I am talking about is battle tested drones that are stealthy

There is nothing stealthy about Turkish UAVs.

and can destroy battalions and sub-divisions plus their hardware and change the reality on the battlefield.

If a country is not equipped to deal with UAVs, then it will be damaged. This does not mean there is anything special about Turkish UAVs which rely mostly on foreign imports anyway. Even you Persian Gulf Arabs can put a UAV together by importing hardware, there is nothing groundbreaking here.

Iran doesn't have such drone capabilities.

Iran's UAV technology are simply on another level to Turkey. Whilst Turkey is importing Canadian sensors and Ukrainian piston engines to put together some low tier UAVs, Iran is busy producing its own jet powered UAVs with air-air capability.

Israel doesn't even have such capabilities the Harop was frequently down by the Armenians who themselves said Russia send them the best air defense systems they had. Guess what they couldn't stop Turkish drones they were too stealthy and elusive

You're coming across as rather deluded. In many cases, especially in Syria these Turkish UAVs started being shot down likes flies. Israeli UAVs dealt equal damage in Armenia than the Turkish UAVs. Generally speaking, Israel is certainly more advanced than Turkey in the UAV sector.

Here is your "too stealthy and elusive" Turkish UAV:

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Iran doesn't have any infrastructure for fighter jet building and same with Turkey.

Please tell me you're not being serious? Iran is already producing a fighter jet of the F-5 class and its own jet powered trainer. For these two systems, Iran is manufacturing its own jet engines. How many nations can you name that are capable of manufacturing their own jet engines i.e the key component of fighters jets? There is a very big difference between nations that put a complete product together by importing most of components and a nations like Iran that is actually producing those components from the ground up.
 
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Persian stronk, we change the dynamic of war and they are bashing Turkish drone :-) .If you have drone that is that good why still not win the war in Yemen and Syria.

Turkish drone is not to be compared with Persian, we sold it several countries and ther is a row for.


O Syria, Libya and Karabagh..


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Persian drone good for propaganda...


Ooo Persian drone hit a Saudi oil tank...:disagree:
 
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When scientifically evaluated the Turkish drone (or may be more than one i hope) performance is comparable to a commercially available off the shelf drone in wallmart...and without the Canadian made Optical ball will be limited to only visual range of the operator. Truth hurts..but it is what it is.:undecided:
 
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Poorsian stronk, we change the dynamic of war and they are bashing Turkish drone :-) .If you have drone that is that good why still not win the war in Yemen and Syria.

Turkish drone is not to be compared with Persian, we sold it several countries and ther is a row for.


O Syria, Libya and Karabagh..


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Persian drone good for propaganda...


Ooo Persian drone hit a Saudi oil tank...:disagree:

They are just trolls. I don't know how old they are either. They have no operability capability. Basically what they are talking about is tiny suicide drones.

And want to prolong this misinformation thread
 
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Your "Turkish drones" are in Turkish in name mostly, in reality are based mostly on imports. Your UAVs have had some success, not surpassingly given most of these nations they were used against have had very antiquated air defence network, but nevertheless, many of "Turkish" uavs have been shot down in Libya alone:

So why didn't you use them in Syria and other places and change the outcome? Because you just don't have the drone capability to project such power nor are they effective of any sort. They are equal to none-state actors drone programs they also develope drones.

You mentioned Harop the Armenians themselves will tell that it didn't harm them but it was TB2s they just couldn't bring it down. It was to stealthy.

You will come with alot of garbage and photos plus 100s of articles hence I know your styles. Your predictable.

Lets just agree to disagree
 
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