Iran and Saudi Arabia reportedly agree to resume diplomatic ties and re-open embassies within two months

[Corruptistan]

You sir are far underestimating the influence of these two countries on the Muslim world, particularly the middle east.

Syria, Iraq, Yemen, African countries (they have other dynamics too though), the even Pakistan has been the battleground for these two countries through their proxies for years, if not decades. That is the sole reason of the conflicts.



I agree, actions speak louder than words, but it is time the west realizes that the rest of the world does not need to keep up with their demands and let the people of those countries live how they want and how they are content.

In the context of the Arab world, West Asia and immediate areas, it is significant.

However not sure what role it plays for the majority Muslims in Pakistan, Afghanistan, India, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Malaysia or Muslim Sub-Saharan Africa. All those regions have far more Muslims (numbers wise) than West Asia alone.

Also my comment was a reaction to many users here blindly thinking that somehow things will change dramatically for the better overnight. I personally don't think 1) this is even realistic even if both parties want that to occur genuinely, 2) it remains to be seen what concrete steps will be taken.

My main point here, in other words is, that yes, potential KSA-Iran friendship (or at least not hatred/hostility) is an important step but it is not the main reason why the Muslim world is as it is. It requires a much longer discussion and I could easily here shortly mention economics, education, representative rule (huge problem in Pakistan too), corruption etc.

West again, I agree, they have not always had the best involvement in the region, far from it (we all saw what happened with IK last year), but why not have cordial ties with the West as Muslims as well?

Are Christians (West by large) not also people of the book and those we have most in common with across the world along with the Jews? At least from a religious perspective as Muslims.

I feel far more affinity to your average Christian in say Spain than I do to your average Chinese, no matter China being a much more important ally for Pakistan and the Muslim world than say Spain, Greece or whatever.

Also I am sorry, most Saudi Arabians are completely ignorant about Iranians and vice versa, this won't change just because the regimes in power shake hands. Real change happens through interaction, tourism, business, people to people relations. Not through regimes that are not democratic in nature. No, I am not a blind believer in Western democracy but I am just stating the obvious, where Iranians and Saudi Arabians even asked to be enemies/ each other in the first place or did their regimes decide this for them? We all know the answer.


The day I see real change, will be the day, when forums such as those (PDF) will not be used to spread anti-Arab or anti-Iranian sentiments by both sides, something that was (until today apparently, lol) widespread. I am sorry, but this is how I see it.

That and obviously such deals amounting to concrete results on the ground.

 

[Muhammed45]

The Americans are a big loser if KSA and Iran resolve their differences. Imagine KSA, Iran, China and Russia working together.

The Abraham accords will become useless as a consequence of this development. Ankara-Damascus normalization through Russia is also on the way.

Finally, Israel is being cornered. And that's the only thing that i care about. Jewish thugs are losing leverages one after an other.

So the biggest loser would be the global Zionism no matter where they rule. USA or Israel or Britain etc.

What saddens me is, without foriegn interference, we can't settle the differences.

More nonsense from this Iranian hypocrite that is praising Mullah's 24/7 while living in the same West (Europe).

Listen, unlike you, I am not a simpleton and slave that parrots whatever my regime is telling me blindly.

Yesterday you were insulting Arabs, KSA as usual 24/7, and now you are pretending that you are in love with Arabs and that you always wanted their friendship and what not.

And ask those in the Russia-Ukraine thread, if I am pro-NATO or pro-West or some of the users that I have discussed with in this thread.

I was called an "Russian agent" on numerous occasions.

This forum is nuts.



You are far overestimating the influence of KSA and Iran in the Muslim world. No amount of cheap words or signed agreements or deals are going to change anything on the ground by itself.

Concrete steps (genuine ground changes, in particular from the Iranian part) are needed and I will sing praises once that occurs.

Until then it is hot air by two regimes that are not representing their people fully or completely.

Arab kingdoms are nuts. I hate them personally, but my comments have nothing to do with people to people relationship.

 

[Messerschmitt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1634248798422675457

 

[casual]

Great news for the region! Finally a real chance for peace and development in the middle east.

 

[Corruptistan]

Arab kingdoms are nuts. I hate them personally, but my comments have nothing to do with people to people relationship.

And have you ever been to any of those Arab countries that are ruled by monarchs? What have they done to you personally?

Should you as an Iranian Islamic nationalist (correct me if I am wrong) not be hating the Ba'ath ideology that attacked you? The same Ba'ath ideology that the Al-Assad regime in Syria proudly follows and which you blindly support even though you know about its great injustices and anti-Islamic behaviours?

I thought that Shias took the example of Imam Ali (as), would Imam Ali (as) support the Al-Assad regime? Impossible. And please don't talk about Daesh, Al-Qaeda and other terrorists, it is not either Al-Assad or them, I am talking about the ordinary Syrians who were killed and tortured for protesting for their basic human rights and Islamic rights.

This is not much different from KSA stopping protests in Bahrain (although there were hardly any casualties in comparison so far from the same in terms of approach but action it is similar) when they demanded some genuine rights.

@Jango

Aside from the personal insults (unmotivated) aimed at me by several users in this thread, fake and ridiculous accusations, certain users are constantly giving me laughing emojis rather than countering my points or having discussions. I personally don't care but I find it annoying that users who participate in this thread are not open to discussions but prefer engaging in such childish behaviors.

Is it allowed according to the rules to write unmotivated personal insults, make slander, fake accusations and other nonsense?

I suggest looking at the posts of user @lydian fall in this thread. I have not reported them but on the other hand what is point of rules if they are not enforced?

In this thread alone I have been called a Jew, Christian, German, Black, Wahhabi, Saudi, Arab, Israeli etc. Insults towards mothers, fake accusations of me being some past users (even when long ago disproved) and now this.

I have no problem with online insults, I am not 12 years any longer, but if they cannot behave, I will reply similarly, or at least in a fashion that they understand and are familiar with considering their posts.

 

[casual]

FYI
This member "corruptisan" is a Saudi using PAk flags because he does not dare to put his own flags..has a long history in PDF..He has had 6 IDs and user names throughout..His last ID was "Khan 2727"..he started as "HASSANI" then "SAIF AL ARAB" etc..too many names to remember..and he works in Saudi Propaganda center..

He doesn't sound Saudi. More like Israeli or American

 

[Corruptistan]

He doesn't sound Saudi. More like Israeli or American

You do realize that I am neither of those 3 and even if I was in some alternative universe, what does that have to do with the points that I made? You are a Chinese based in the US according to your profile and likely completely unfamiliar with the history of West Asia and the KSA/Arab-Iran rivalry. If you disagree with something that I wrote, you should be easily able to counter it rather than making nonsense accusations of me being an Israeli or American. Just a friendly advice as I have not accused you of being a Japanese, Korean or whatever.

Last time I checked, it was not against PDF rules to be against the foreign policy track record of the Iranian Mullah's since 1979, nor is it against forum rules to give your own qualified and well-argumented (people can disagree with me but they cannot claim that I write one-liners without arguments or not arguing my case) opinions about a topic, in this case KSA-Iran rapprochement and some signed deals/agreements earlier today.

And it is even more absurd coming from a Chinese user, as my user history shows no anti-Chinese postings or comments, rather mostly the opposite.

@Jango

This @HGV user that appeared recently, I think that he is an Iranian, is continuing the spam by giving emoji reactions for no apparent reasons. This is troll behavior and nothing else.

 

[Messerschmitt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1634233195603558400

 

[casual]

You do realize that I am neither of those 3 and even if I was in some alternative universe, what does that have to do with the points that I made? You are a Chinese based in the US according to your profile and likely completely unfamiliar with the history of West Asia and the KSA/Arab-Iran rivalry. If you disagree with something that I wrote, you should be easily able to counter it rather than making nonsense accusations of me being an Israeli or American. Just a friendly advice as I have not accused you of being a Japanese, Korean or whatever.

Last time I checked, it was not against PDF rules to be against the foreign policy track record of the Iranian Mullah's since 1979, nor is it against forum rules to give your own qualified and well-argumented (people can disagree with me but they cannot claim that I write one-liners without arguments or not arguing my case) opinions about a topic, in this case KSA-Iran rapprochement and some signed deals/agreements earlier today.

And it is even more absurd coming from a Chinese user, as my user history shows no anti-Chinese postings or comments, rather mostly the opposite.

Set the past aside and give peace a chance.

 

[Muhammed45]

Should you as an Iranian Islamic nationalist (correct me if I am wrong) not be hating the Ba'ath ideology that attacked you? The same Ba'ath ideology that the Al-Assad regime in Syria proudly follows and which you blindly support even though you know about its great injustices and anti-Islamic behaviours?

Saddam led a coup against Hassan Al Bakr assisted by foreign intelligence agencies.

Saddam killed the true president of Iraq, he killed a real Arab nationalist. In fact Iran has no problem with Arab nationalism, but that bastard used it as a card to massacre Iranians. He called us fire worshippers.

It is a fact that Iran's best allies are of Arab origin. Oppressed but strong like Hezbollah or Gaza or the Syrians or Iraqis or Yemenis. Our leader says that people of Arabian peninsula will be our allies, Arabian peninsula is a broader term and it includes all that territory. We will wait for that time, maybe someone chosen by people of Arabian peninsula and followed by them.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

What will China do to fight the dominance of the dollar?

See the post of @Reddington

bruh you believe whatever you want but I can tell you that the Saudis and Persians don't just grow fond of each other overnight, it's the economic prospect lies ahead that is letting the both put their past enmity aside

 

[Corruptistan]

Saddam led a coup against Hassan Al Bakr assisted by foreign intelligence agencies.

Saddam killed the true president of Iraq, he killed a real Arab nationalist. In fact Iran has no problem with Arab nationalism, but that bastard used it as a card to massacre Iranians. He called us fire worshippers.

It is a fact that Iran's best allies are of Arab origin. Oppressed but strong like Hezbollah or Gaza or the Syrians or Iraqis or Yemenis. Our leader says that people of Arabian peninsula will be our allies, Arabian peninsula is a broader term and it includes all that territory. We will wait for that time, maybe someone chosen by people of Arabian peninsula and followed by them.

Do I look like a Ba'athi supporter? I have been always critical and consistent in my opposition to this weird mixture of communism, fascism, socialism, Arab nationalism etc. Whether it be Saddam Hussein or Bashar al-Assad (Al-Assad regime).

I prefer the ideology of Iran today much more. So no need to tell more.

This is why I don't understand the blind support for Al-Assad and his Ba'ath regime by Iran. If Iran and other regional regimes were not afraid of real representative support (system), I don't believe that there would be any hostility in the region.

Why are KSA and Iran even fighting? There have been zero wars between them for centuries.

Problem in the Muslim world is tribalism and blind regime support, not enough critical thinking. It requires to be brave to go against the majority.

Look at the money, blood, time etc. that regimes of Iran and KSA have wasted for so long.

My last post about this topic, I wish KSA and Iran the best, I am waiting for the praise until I see concrete changes on the ground. Not empty talk.

Set the past aside and give peace a chance.

How many times must it be mentioned by me that I am looking at this deal from the perspective of an observer of history? I have no foot in whatever the Iranian Mullah's and House of Saud decide or do in this regard. I am not a spokesman of anyone or anything. I am giving my opinion from the perspective of KSA and Arab based on my time in KSA and based on my knowledge of the region's history in this context since 1979.

I wrote from the beginning in this thread that there is no reason why Arabs and Iranians could not be close allies and good neighbors. Maybe you missed this?

We are in 2023 and people still cannot differentiate between criticism of regimes in power and entire countries and peoples. It is actually amazing.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

It is unbelievable

It is unbelievable that we are living in real time the encounter between the last version of the military Empire of the Romans and the Chinese Commercial Civilization.

modern day China can be seen as the spiritual successor of both Qin-Han and Rome.

 

[Corruptistan]

bruh you believe whatever you want but I can tell you that the Saudis and Persians don't just grow fond of each other overnight, it's the economic prospect lies ahead that is letting the both put their past enmity aside

You are not telling me anything new that I did not know ages ago and that I did not already write in this very thread long ago. I already told what the main motives of China are and why KSA and Iran have preferred to amend their ties at least in public. We will all have to see what the ground results of such deals will be.

Chinese are business first. Much like the Arabs, in particular the young generation. Chinese would not have become the power it is currently, if it was not pragmatic, 1.4 billion big population or not.

Look no further than China and USA being the two largest trade partners in the world despite the political disagreements and increasing hostilities.

The entire world evolves around money and hardly much else nowadays.

 

[Jango]

Aside from the personal insults (unmotivated) aimed at me by several users in this thread, fake and ridiculous accusations, certain users are constantly giving me laughing emojis rather than countering my points or having discussions. I personally don't care but I find it annoying that users who participate in this thread are not open to discussions but prefer engaging in such childish behaviors.

Is it allowed according to the rules to write unmotivated personal insults, make slander, fake accusations and other nonsense?

I suggest looking at the posts of user @lydian fall in this thread. I have not reported them but on the other hand what is point of rules if they are not enforced?

In this thread alone I have been called a Jew, Christian, German, Black, Wahhabi, Saudi, Arab, Israeli etc. Insults towards mothers, fake accusations of me being some past users (even when long ago disproved) and now this.

I have no problem with online insults, I am not 12 years any longer, but if they cannot behave, I will reply similarly, or at least in a fashion that they understand and are familiar with considering their posts.

We cannot do anything if someone responds to your posts or likes it with an emoji, but if there are cases of personal insults towards you, please DM me the links to those posts. Apologies, I cannot quite go through the whole thread right now.