Iran and Saudi Arabia one step closer to war “You know the might and place of the Islamic republic"

[H!TchHiker]

Hindus don't worship cow but consider cow as holy because Hinduism is an old religion oldest texts are were written about 1800 BC or earlier at that time the whole world was going through an Agricultural revolution so during those times cattle especially cows were forbidden to be killed as cows were required in an agricultural society that still stuck around for 4000 years even in modern times . Ancient Hindus ate Cows a lot but this was forbidden in an agricultural society during those times.

As far as Hindu basic belief is concerned Hinduism is Henotheistic not Monotheistic and certainly not Idol worshipping.
Idol worshipping was not practiced in ancient India , Hindus copied from Buddhists . The oldest temples and idols in India are all Buddhist not Hindu.

Try to avoid all Iranian baiters pretending to be from India or are Indian because both Iraians and Arabs have a good reputation amongst Indians which makes us neutral in this shindig

I read somewhere something like this according to Hinduism "The creator of the material universe is known as Brahma. The destruction of the universe is overseen by Shiva and Vishnu serves as the maintainer. There are individuals overseeing the oceans, the wind, and practically every facet of creations. " ?who are these according to Hinduism ? shiva , vishnu and Brahma ? I always used to beleieve Hindus are Pagan or idol worship religion like different deities
PS:This is just to clear my thoughts not for usual trolling..Correct me where i am wrong
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/gadadhara-pandit-dasa/the-33-million-demigods-o_b_1737207.html

 

[SubWater]

Try to avoid all Iranian baiters pretending to be from India or are Indian because both Iraians and Arabs have a good reputation amongst Indians which makes us neutral in this shindig

Goody good

 

[Indian wonk]

The way I see it, regardless of my personal bias (undeniable), Saudi is useless for us as far as Pakistan is concerned. If anything, they are a significant if not the major repository of funding of Pakistan's war effort against us. And such will not cease. The Saudis look at Pakistan as paid muscle and Pakistan on more than one occasion from official mouths has verbalized the intent to fight for the Sauds (the operative reasoning of course is for the defence of their holy cities).

Iran on the other hand is no friend of Pakistan and that relationship is already strained. The sectarian tensions are not make believe either. And Iran is extremely useful (if not vital) to us in our efforts to outflank Pakistan, corner it, and render ineffective its trade route blocks with port and sea and land access route blackmail. Not to mention of course our interests in Afghanistan.

It would be extremely naive not to see which way India (yes, Hindu India) would tilt in this face-off, if at all she does.

Cheers, Doc

I know that Saudis are more closer to Pakistan than India , Iran is more neutral or pro India as both India and Iran need each other . India's daily oil consumption is 4.5 million barrels per day and increasing very fast second highest after China so energy security is imperative for us. Iran and Central Asia is the key.

I read somewhere something like this according to Hinduism "The creator of the material universe is known as Brahma. The destruction of the universe is overseen by Shiva and Vishnu serves as the maintainer. There are individuals overseeing the oceans, the wind, and practically every facet of creations. " ?who are these according to Hinduism ? shiva , vishnu and Brahma ? I always used to beleieve Hindus are Pagan or idol worship religion like different deities

The essence of Hinduism are the 4 vedas and to understand the four Vedas there are commentaries know as Upanishad 108 in number. Hinduism is Henotheistic . Please learn about what that means . Hindus innovated beyond their religion permits which is forbidden in Islam also known as bid'ah . If you read Bhagwat Gita the gist of all Hindu scriptures worshiping other Gods is wrong and their is only one God but in many forms (Henotheism) .
Christianity also innovated having the Trinity The Father , The son and The Holy Ghost.

Hindus have over innovated and this is the result 330 million gods none of whom are mentioned in Upanishads though minor gods 33 in number are present . The name of God in Hinduism is Brahm not Bhagwan (which is also an innovation) .
The trinity of Hindus has some similarity with the trinity of Christians with differences. Oldest idols in India was of Buddha in Gandhara (modern Kandhar in Afghanistan) , oldest temple in India was actually a Buddhist stupa 3rd century BC . Hindus started copying them and we out did the Buddhists.

 

[veg]

The essence of Hinduism are the 4 vedas and to understand the four Vedas there are commentaries know as Upanishad 108 in number. Hinduism is Henotheistic . Please learn about what that means . Hindus innovated beyond their religion permits which is forbidden in Islam also known as bid'ah . If you read Bhagwat Gita the gist of all Hindu scriptures worshiping other Gods is wrong and their is only one God but in many forms (Henotheism) .
Christianity also innovated having the Trinity The Father , The son and The Holy Ghost.

Hindus have over innovated and this is the result 330 million gods none of whom are mentioned in Upanishads though minor gods 33 in number are present . The name of God in Hinduism is Brahm not Bhagwan (which is also an innovation) .
The trinity of Hindus has some similarity with the trinity of Christians with differences. Oldest idols in India was of Buddha in Gandhara (modern Kandhar in Afghanistan) , oldest temple in India was actually a Buddhist stupa 3rd century BC . Hindus started copying them and we out did the Buddhists.

Unfortunately, today Hinduism is limited to only what we see in case of Wishwa Hindu Parasud or BJP i.e. the hate politics.

World does not need a religion today, but humanity.

 

[The SC]

When Allah-u Azimushshan wants to punish a nation, HE first takes away their Akl. The KSA/UAE leadership is going through such a phase. The higher the elevation the harder the fall!!!!! According to the Turkish analysts the following scenarios are possible:

• KSA/UAE might want to take revenge on Qatar and teach a lesson to Iran by attacking Lebanon. They might outsource the job to the Egyptians.
• Direct attack on Qatar is also a possibility, which has the potential to draw Turkey into the conflict.
• Attack on Lebanon and/or Iran will induce massive retaliation.
• Shia population centers in Arab countries might get activated.
• Even the Haremain may be targeted to put all the Muslims into utter shame.

Bottom-line: no matter what happens any move from the KSA/UAE will end up their becoming the biggest losers!!! Whoever goes for such misadventure will be decimated and lose both power and land!!!!

Sissi said clearly that Egypt does not want to interfere in Lebanon's affairs..the rest applies to everyone involved or to be involved in a conflict in the ME..

 

[war&peace]

Saudi Arabia will win

yes it will just walk over Iran. my innocent bro, things are not so simple, we love the Hejaz but the people who are ruling it have done more damage to our religion than good!!!

 

[YeBeWarned]

Bro, talking about conventional war, Iran has a decade long experience of war with Iraq, can you tell me when was the last time KSA went on war any large country?

and what conventional War experience France , Germany , Italy , China has ? none of the listed country has been into a full fledged conventional war ... so does that makes their army less capable ? what world you are living in Bro, this is 21st Century .. Technological Advantage matters in modern Warfare so don't be emotional or fool thinking that just because Iran is holy they will shout Ya Hussain and KSA surrender .. that's no happening

 

[The SC]

yes it will just walk over Iran. my innocent bro, things are not so simple, we love the Hejaz but the people who are ruling it have done more damage to our religion than good!!!

To the contrary.. the rulers of Hijaz have been doing a lot of good to the Muslim nations.. they can't counter the western modern crusades on Islam alone, they are still trying their best by forging alliances with the West, buying its weapons, investing in its economy and gaining political leverage to support other Muslims that they have already supported with 100s of billions of Dollars from Morocco to Indonesia..not one Muslim country or even minority in other countries did not benefit from Saudi Arabia..it just has a less confrontational stance towards the West.. unlike Iran who has the Hormuz strait to blackmail the West with..Saudi Arabia has to do it in a different way..
Can anyone enlighten us on the Iranian massive help to other Muslim countries worldwide, apart from some limited help to Hezbollah, Hamas and Houthis in Yemen? and even Lebanese, Palestinians and Yemenis have benefited $10s of billions from Saudi Arabia through their legitimate governments, much more than Iran who has provided other means..rightly to the Palestinians and Hezbollah in countering Usrael but wrongly if it is true for the Houthis in Yemen..

 

[MultaniGuy]

Saudi Arabia has usually supported Pakistan.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Lol This two Islamic powers are always at each other throat using proxies to secure power and influence over the region.

To be honest though, KSA and Iran will never go to war directly with each other. Both sides know that neither of them can decisively defeat the other. At best it will be a stalemate,and both countries would be destroyed and set back by several decades.

In this regard i'm surprised some people here think Iran can take the war to Saudi Arabia and defeat the Saudis. That's impossible, for one Iran lacks the most crucial capability necessary for invading or taking a war to a big country like Saudi Arabia i.e a powerful/well equipped/trained Air force and Navy.
Likewise, I'm also surprised to see some people here think Saudi Arabia can defeat Iran by taking the war to Iran Itself. It's true that KSA has one of the most powerful airforce in the region/ better trained pilots and well equipped armed forces. However, even that's not enough for a power like KSA to invade and take the war/defeat a country like Iran. So it will be a stalemate for both sides.

Moreover, both KSA and and Iran leaders are quite pragmatic and smart enough to know that they can't afford to fight each other directly, since they know the stakes are too high for them. So they will keep fighting each other using proxies to gain power and influence over the region like they have both been doing since Saddam was toppled.

I will even go as far as saying I admire the way in which KSA and Iran have been using proxies and their influence over regional actors in the region to face each other. Despite all this KSA and Iran are very stable countries(with Saudis citizens enjoying even high living standards) with little to no internal conflict, no rampant suicide bombings, instability, ethnic conflicts etc unlike their neighbours who have been the battle grounds for this two big Islamic powers. So in some way, I will say KSA and Iran are the defacto leaders in the middle east and even Muslim world to some extent. Since they have managed to divide the Muslims world into basically two camps(Saudis, Sunni side or iranian Shia side).

 

[The SC]

Lol This two Islamic powers are always at each other throat using proxies to secure power and influence over the region.

To be honest though, KSA and Iran will never go to war directly with each other. Both sides know that neither of them can decisively defeat the other. At best it will be a stalemate,and both countries would be destroyed and set back by several decades.

In this regard i'm surprised some people here think Iran can take the war to Saudi Arabia and defeat the Saudis. That's impossible, for one Iran lacks the most crucial capability necessary for invading or taking a war to a big country like Saudi Arabia i.e a powerful/well equipped/trained Air force and Navy.
Likewise, I'm also surprised to see some people here think Saudi Arabia can defeat Iran by taking the war to Iran Itself. It's true that KSA has one of the most powerful airforce in the region/ better trained pilots and well equipped armed forces. However, even that's not enough for a power like KSA to invade and take the war/defeat a country like Iran. So it will be a stalemate for both sides.

Moreover, both KSA and and Iran leaders are quite pragmatic and smart enough to know that they can't afford to fight each other directly, since they know the stakes are too high for them. So they will keep fighting each other using proxies to gain power and influence over the region like they have both been doing since Saddam was toppled.
I will even go as far as saying I admire the way in which KSA and Iran have been using proxies and their influence over regional actors in the region to face each other. Despite all this KSA and Iran are very stable countries with little to no internal conflict, no rampant suicide bombings, instability, ethnic conflicts etc unlike their neighbours whom have been the battle groups for this two big Islamic powers. So in some way, I will say KSA and Iran are the defacto leaders in the middle east and eve Muslim world to some extent.

Saudi Crown Prince: Iran is launching a "direct aggression" against us

 

[cleverrider]

In this regard i'm surprised some people here think Iran can take the war to Saudi Arabia and defeat the Saudis. That's impossible, for one Iran lacks the most crucial capability necessary for invading or taking a war to a big country like Saudi Arabia i.e a powerful/well equipped/trained Air force and Navy.
Likewise, I'm also surprised to see some people here think Saudi Arabia can defeat Iran by taking the war to Iran Itself.

No country can take a war into/hold onto another country other than the US (Yemen being the recent "example", its still not just the saudis), the old days are long gone - China will need another 10 - 20 years. The US is not a country - it is another europe and the geopraphy/weak countries allowed the US to achieve this status. Neither has it been good for its allies or enemies. In some cases even itself. Bear in mind the satus could have brought in a lot of good, but humans....

 

[PakGuns]

The way I see it, regardless of my personal bias (undeniable), Saudi is useless for us as far as Pakistan is concerned. If anything, they are a significant if not the major repository of funding of Pakistan's war effort against us. And such will not cease. The Saudis look at Pakistan as paid muscle and Pakistan on more than one occasion from official mouths has verbalized the intent to fight for the Sauds (the operative reasoning of course is for the defence of their holy cities).

Iran on the other hand is no friend of Pakistan and that relationship is already strained. The sectarian tensions are not make believe either. And Iran is extremely useful (if not vital) to us in our efforts to outflank Pakistan, corner it, and render ineffective its trade route blocks with port and sea and land access route blackmail. Not to mention of course our interests in Afghanistan.

It would be extremely naive not to see which way India (yes, Hindu India) would tilt in this face-off, if at all she does.

Cheers, Doc

I must applaud your very Professional thoughts, since when did we had STRAINED Relations with Iran? did we take part in yemen war upon call from indian-girl customers (UAE, KSA) this bhartia-pan is not surprising, though i must say you people are good internet stuff to laugh about...
Beganay ki shadi me Abdullah Dewana...

 

[war&peace]

what conventional War experience France , Germany , Italy , China has ?

Mate if you don't know the history...it is not my fault ......at all. All I can suggest you is to read a little of bit of history and don't need to go far...just start from year 1900 and yrs 1914 & 40 might ring some bells ..
But as a matter of fact, they are not under-attack or subject of this discussion. Furthermore, these all NATO members.

 

[EyelessInGaza]

The India people support KSA in will and prayer.

Lolwut.

As an Indian living in India I hope that my government has the sense to NOT support any side in a war that's no business of ours.

If we support anything it should be that there be no war and conflict gets resolved peacefully.