Iran and Pakistan must work together on Yemen.

[SafShikan]

It was not only Saudis who "helped" you, there were other countries as well. They just gave you oil on DEFERRED payment. They got full payment for it later on.

But I think money is a big problem. Pakistan spends almost half of its national budget on debt servicing, paying hefty interests on loans: Debt servicing to consume 42.1pc budget expenditure - thenews.com.pk

The situation of course is not tenable in long term. Since almost half of your budget is going towards paying creditors. Poor economic planning and political decisions have put Pakistan into a tight corner, exposing it to opportunistic elements wanting to take advantage of Pakistan.

yeah your point is valid...but the debate here is not the economic impact there would be by rejecting KSA...we are more concerned about helping a muslim against another muslim

 

[Daneshmand]

yeah your point is valid...but the debate here is not the economic impact it would be by rejecting KSA...we are more concerned about helping a muslim against another muslim

This is just for public consumption. Emotional inflaming to justify geopolitical decisions. Otherwise, Pakistan does not have a dog in Yemen fight.

 

[SOHEIL]

We respect pakistani people ...

 

[SafShikan]

This is just for public consumption. Emotional inflaming to justify geopolitical decisions. Otherwise, Pakistan does not have a dog in Yemen fight.

probably
but I personally don't think this would be the case...getting into this war means a friend lesser or may be two...but not helping KSA means the best friend gone...this is the situation for us

 

[Levina]

Well the reason for that as I understand it, is that the "world" wants to push Pakistan into it. And maybe they will succeed.

In other news, today, US announced that they are selling more bombs and ammo to Saudi Arabia on emergency basis. I guess Saudi armory is fast depleting and Saudis do not have any manufacturing capability, the US is there to help them in this regard.

But US does not want is own soldiers on the ground. They want some canon fodders in Yemen to give comfort to Saudi royal family.

I wasn't sure America is providing arms to KSA, I had read (in the newspaper published here) that US is sharing ONLY intelligence info with KSA.
I seriously dont understand US's stance, on one side they 're hell bent on inking the nuclear deal with Iran while on the other side they 're helping KSA to fight against Iran (assuming Al-houthis 're backed by Iran, which I heard has not been proved).

 

[SafShikan]

We respect pakistani people ...

thanks...we do respect you in the same spirit

 

[haviZsultan]

Wise people indeed .

@waz , you know that i respect you very much as a pakistani right ? you're the most fair and polite pakistani i've met online besides @haviZsultan .

what is your take on what the officials of pakistan said regarding the situation of Yemen ?


pakistan has no such power . what media said that ?

I feel we should simply be repairing this rift... from whereever it has risen between sunnis and shias and Iranians and Saudis. Saudi as the center of the musim ummah... as they see themselves have a huge responsibility to eliminate tensions and work together as muslims, regardless if one is shia or sunni.

Saudi is the center of the islamic world or is meant to be... it should not be allying with Israel just to keep Iranian interests out of Yemen. It is expected to behave as a strong Islamic state instead of as a vassal state of America allied to Isreal.

As for Pakistan, i have already stated several times. We should play a mediators role. Our forces are already in Bahrain keeping a mostly local problem, with grievances against the said state, from gaining their fundamental rights so unfortunately we despite being made by a shia muslim (Quaid E Azam) who refused to be called that and only referred to himself as a Pakistani Muslim, are involved in a crisis where we have no stake. We fell in Bahrain and due to Nawaz Sharif's close relations to Saudi we might fall in Yemen too.

I think we must re-asses the situation. We already have a sectarian terrorist outfit named LEJ in Pakistan. We can't control terrorism in our own country but are running around to jump into the Saudi boat.

 

[Daneshmand]

probably
but I personally don't think this would be the case...getting into this war means a friend lesser or may be two...but not helping KSA means the best friend gone...this is the situation for us

Not at all. KSA needs Pakistan more than other way around. You just have to play it confidently and in the process if you could dig out some money out of the pocket of this "bff", then all the merry.

Let me tell you about Arab mentality. If you say yes to them all the time and show weakness, then they will dominate you and treat you as a slave. Show them strength and refuse them, they will consider you their equal friend and cherish you.

I wasn't sure America is providing arms to KSA, I had read (in the newspaper published here) that US is sharing ONLY intelligence info with KSA.
I seriously dont understand US's stance, on one side they 're hell bent on inking the nuclear deal with Iran while on the other side they 're helping KSA to fight against Iran (assuming Al-houthis 're backed by Iran, which I heard has not been proved).

Common dude. Don't you have access to news. This is 21st century. Use google. See this: U.S. to Expedite Munition Deliveries for Yemen Fight - WSJ

 

[SafShikan]

Not at all. KSA needs Pakistan more than other way around. You just have to play it confidently and in the process if you could dig out some money out of the pocket of this "bff", then all the merry.

Let me tell you about Arab mentality. If you say yes to them all the time and show weakness, then they will dominate you and treat you as a slave. Show them strength and refuse them, they will consider you their equal friend and cherish you.

lolzzz...duly noted sir ...thanks for the tip

 

[Imran Khan]

leave us alone god damn both of you iran and saudi

 

[Levina]

Common dude. Don't you have access to news. This is 21st century. Use google. See this: U.S. to Expedite Munition Deliveries for Yemen Fight - WSJ

Sorry, I dont have the time to confirm every news I read in newspapers. Or may be thats the reason I'm here on pdf (to read both sides of a story).

Dude?? ha?

 

[waz]

Waz Bhai,
I think this is very confusing. On a daily basis this is the headlines I read in this part of the world
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This yesterday's headlines in Gulfnews paper (UAE).
I think Pak.govt's reticence to come out loud and clear on this issue gives way to such confusion.
As far as Yemen is concerned then I think instead of turning that poor country into a battle ground like Iraq and Syria, GCC countries and Iran must solve this politically. Pakistan and Oman can at the best remain neutral or participate, but KSA looks unstoppable right now, the belligerent attitude adopted by them shows no sign of transforming into something milder.
There's already some theories which says KSA and Israel have joined hands to fight against Iran, and that they plan to sabotage the nuclear talks. They're assuming that keeping Iran busy in Yemen would work in their favor.
I really dont think KSA and its partners would stop till Iran backs out.


PS:
I had posted this pic on another thread this morning but that thread got deleted.

Thanks for this sis.
The Gulf News's credibility has to be questioned when no such announcement has happened, and they quote a cabinet minister who "doesn't want to be named", they don't all.
The major parties are against this, the military wants no part of it and the public is against it.

It was not only Saudis who "helped" you, there were other countries as well. They just gave you oil on DEFERRED payment. They got full payment for it later on.

But I think money is a big problem. Pakistan spends almost half of its national budget on debt servicing, paying hefty interests on loans: Debt servicing to consume 42.1pc budget expenditure - thenews.com.pk

The situation of course is not tenable in long term. Since almost half of your budget is going towards paying creditors. Poor economic planning and political decisions have put Pakistan into a tight corner, exposing it to opportunistic elements wanting to take advantage of Pakistan.

People are all more astute now my friend. Information is freely available, folks have free press and the power of the people has been shown on the street plenty of times.Yes Pakistan can be taken advantaged of, but only if the people let it happen, which inshallah they will not.

 

[Daneshmand]

Sorry, I dont have the time to confirm every news I read in newspapers. Or may be thats the reason I'm here on pdf (to read both sides of a story).

Dude?? ha?

Well baby, WSJ is quite reputable. So is Guardian reporting it. So is the US government official announcement.

Thanks for this sis.

@levina

Ah, Sis? I see now.

People are all more astute now my friend. Information is freely available, folks have free press and the power of the people has been shown on the street plenty of times.Yes Pakistan can be taken advantaged of, but only if the people let it happen, which inshallah they will not.

It is good to see your confidence. It has been years, since we have not seen that confidence. I hope you are right. Just beat the Takfiris since they are the scourge of the earth and have dragged the name of Islam and Muslims into the filthiest gutters.

 

[Levina]

Thanks for this sis.
The Gulf News's credibility has to be questioned when no such announcement has happened, and they quote a cabinet minister who "doesn't want to be named", they don't all.
The major parties are against this, the military wants no part of it and the public is against it.

From whatever posts I have read on pdf, I have not seen many Pak members support this idea, which is good.
But then what happens to NS's loyalty to KSA? or KSA's investment in PA's nuke projects? And also I heard PA and KSA's army were to conduct a joint exercise soon. (Coming from an army background I know what an exercise means, but the timing of this exercise is what makes it suspicious...am I right? )
Such articles (which I had posted on front page) is a proof of mounting pressure on Pak, I hope your country maintains its neutral stance.

Well baby,

Nobody babies me...sis is better.

WSJ is quite reputable. So is Guardian reporting it. So is the US government official announcement.

@levina

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Frankly I think I should quit reading the newspapers here. I have often seen how they 're hell bent on showing my country i in poor light. But who gets the time to read other newspapers(like WSJ or guardian)??
Thats the reason I am on pdf, member's discussions here are really helpful at times.
And thanks for posting that article.

Ah, Sis? I see now.

You got it right.

 

[Daneshmand]

Nobody babies me...sis is better.

Frankly I think I should quit reading the newspapers here. I have often seen how they 're hell bent on showing my country i in poor light. But who gets the time to read other newspapers(like WSJ or guardian). Thats the reason I am on pdf, members discussions here are really helpful at times.
And thanks for posting that article.

You got it right.

Sorry. Qalti hogye. Sis.

Just keep yourself informed. I would not take those UAE papers seriously.