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Opposition, rebels, whatever you want to the call them. The people who oppose Assad, let's say they prevailed in near future. What in your opinion will be immediate international reaction? Not only from West, but from Turkey, Israel, and Jordan.

Am I the only one who believes that Turkey/Jordan will not react besides propping up defenses on their borders?

Btw, not asking what you believe should be done there afterwards, just asking your opinion on international reaction.
 
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In my limited opinion, the chances of that happening are slightly less than what is generally believed. The campaign has effectively become Sunni extremism vs the rest as of today, with Shia being the dominant resistant force. Thus, with the dire straits we see in Syria, we also see an effective counteraction by the Iranian planners in Yemen. At the end of the day, it is Saudi vs Iran, and IMO Yemen is just the beginning. US and the West have interests in checking the Saudi spread now as the Sunnis trained and financed by them had made US a favorite target in the near past. Now, with reapproachment increasingly likely between west and Iran, the situation is more and more interesting. Also, it was deft of Pakistan to not get drawn in the conflict in the air strikes on Yemen. Had it done so, Pakistan would have ended up having a hostile Iran on west ... which, with the signing of the Chabahar Port pact with India, is something which Pakistan may not like.
 
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In my limited opinion, the chances of that happening are slightly less than what is generally believed. The campaign has effectively become Sunni extremism vs the rest as of today, with Shia being the dominant resistant force. Thus, with the dire straits we see in Syria, we also see an effective counteraction by the Iranian planners in Yemen. At the end of the day, it is Saudi vs Iran, and IMO Yemen is just the beginning. US and the West have interests in checking the Saudi spread now as the Sunnis trained and financed by them had made US a favorite target in the near past. Now, with reapproachment increasingly likely between west and Iran, the situation is more and more interesting. Also, it was deft of Pakistan to not get drawn in the conflict in the air strikes on Yemen. Had it done so, Pakistan would have ended up having a hostile Iran on west ... which, with the signing of the Chabahar Port pact with India, is something which Pakistan may not like.

Thanks for input, but if it did occur what do you believe would happen? Seems like a question many people aren't able or don't want to answer.
 
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Opposition, rebels, whatever you want to the call them. The people who oppose Assad, let's say they prevailed in near future. What in your opinion will be immediate international reaction? Not only from West, but from Turkey, Israel, and Jordan.

Am I the only one who believes that Turkey/Jordan will not react besides propping up defenses on their borders?

Btw, not asking what you believe should be done there afterwards, just asking your opinion on international reaction.

I can't speak for the Middle East, but in the rest of the world, all the right things will be said like "we welcome them to the international community" and "Syria has a long history....blah, blah, blah". The big difference from 4 years when everyone was acting like giddy schoolgirls about the Arab spring is that they are going to be a lot more guarded and less effusive with their praises. There's going to be more of a wait and see approach to the new Syrian leadership.

What do u expect to happen one rule changes another - so what.

Have to agree with you there. Nobody really knows that much about who these people are and what their reign is going to look like. No point breaking out the champagne only to find out that the new guy is as much of a dick as the last one.
 
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It will be like Libya. The world will ignore it. The west will blame Islam for always having wars (and completely forget their roles in bringing out chaos). Turkey/Qatar/Saudi will put in no effort in trying to help out the situation, and as you say, they will just strengthen their borders to prevent terrorists entering their country. Sure, they might be a few bombs here & there in regional countries, but so what? The Kings won't care.
 
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What do u expect to happen one rule changes another - so what.

Specify which rule please. Although that's not related to question. I asked what international reaction would be.

It will be like Libya. The world will ignore it. The west will blame Islam for always having wars (and completely forget their roles in bringing out chaos). Turkey/Qatar/Saudi will put in no effort in trying to help out the situation, and as you say, they will just strengthen their borders to prevent terrorists entering their country. Sure, they might be a few bombs here & there in regional countries, but so what? The Kings won't care.

No it won't be like Libya, Libya formed parliament which was destroyed by Haftar and then war broke out. Syria is a different case, has much more geographical significance and there's way seculars can try taking on Islamists. Islamists will dominate Syria.
 
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There will be a major refugee crisis as Alawites, Shiites, Christians and Druze and perhaps Kurds and as well flee in even greater numbers than at present.
 
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Opposition, rebels, whatever you want to the call them. The people who oppose Assad, let's say they prevailed in near future. What in your opinion will be immediate international reaction? Not only from West, but from Turkey, Israel, and Jordan.

Am I the only one who believes that Turkey/Jordan will not react besides propping up defenses on their borders?

Btw, not asking what you believe should be done there afterwards, just asking your opinion on international reaction.

Bad. Another Libya, but with genocide. I think the US will step up bombing raids. Not much more can be done. Turkey better beef up their border, otherwise it's a 100.000 out of job jihadist waiting to get back in.

The question I'd like to ask you: what will international reaction be when Israel finally occupies all Palestinian land?
 
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Thanks for input, but if it did occur what do you believe would happen? Seems like a question many people aren't able or don't want to answer.

The scenario is far fetched at best and improbable at worst. Until and unless Assad looses his nerves and runs. Reason being, had the US and West wanted Assad gone, he would have been gone by now. The oft leaked reports of US arming the moderate opposition is merely a hogwash. The support to the opposition, irrespective of AQ links, ISIS or otherwise, is chiefly by the troika of Turkey, Saudi Arabia and UAE with other Sunni nations also marginally involved. Reports have emerged of Pakistani ex-servicemen being deployed there with these groups too (how true, can be dependent on which report you believe) with money being sent to their families by these countries. It is an open secret that the Saudis bankroll the Pakistani Army and its nuclear research to protect itself. The whole scenario is further complicated by the tacit understanding between US and Iran, with the latter actively involved in organizing, arming and leading the operations on behalf of Assad. The US is also becoming wise to the fact that its biggest ally in middle east is mot necessarily working in its favor. The increased likelihood of a deal on Iran's Nuclear Plans is also an indicator of the slow but steady shift in US and West's policies in middle east. The plummeted oil prices due to the activation of Shale Tech in US is also something that has been a deliberate ploy, IMO, to starve these 'rich' OPEC countries who are now working against US' interests. With the recent events in Yemen, Houthis targeting Saudi Arabia, the dynamics have drastically changed. Even if the opposition were to win in Syria, the result would be increase destabilization in Turkey from Kurdish movement and other pro-Assad elements (remember irrespective of whatever one may say of Assad, the society was progressive, educated and economically well off. And religious harmony is a hallmark of his rule; so the Islamic victory over there will be something that will fracture the society as it is increasingly being dominated by AQ and ISIS!) And for Saudi Arabia - the stakes will dramatically change, Iran will ensure that it gets the West and US on its side, even if it has to compromise on its nuclear program (and it may just ask Russia and US to give it guarantees against any nuclear threat; remember Pakistani nuclear program is financed by the Saudis, they may ask for a couple of nukes) and then it will ensure that KSA is in a mess once for all. The emir is anyways not liked by his people, he is only in power as long as US is backing him and his army. The moment a pressure is applied on KSA, the people will rise against both Iran and the Emir!!!!
 
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The scenario is far fetched at best and improbable at worst. Until and unless Assad looses his nerves and runs. Reason being, had the US and West wanted Assad gone, he would have been gone by now. The oft leaked reports of US arming the moderate opposition is merely a hogwash. The support to the opposition, irrespective of AQ links, ISIS or otherwise, is chiefly by the troika of Turkey, Saudi Arabia and UAE with other Sunni nations also marginally involved. Reports have emerged of Pakistani ex-servicemen being deployed there with these groups too (how true, can be dependent on which report you believe) with money being sent to their families by these countries. It is an open secret that the Saudis bankroll the Pakistani Army and its nuclear research to protect itself. The whole scenario is further complicated by the tacit understanding between US and Iran, with the latter actively involved in organizing, arming and leading the operations on behalf of Assad. The US is also becoming wise to the fact that its biggest ally in middle east is mot necessarily working in its favor. The increased likelihood of a deal on Iran's Nuclear Plans is also an indicator of the slow but steady shift in US and West's policies in middle east. The plummeted oil prices due to the activation of Shale Tech in US is also something that has been a deliberate ploy, IMO, to starve these 'rich' OPEC countries who are now working against US' interests. With the recent events in Yemen, Houthis targeting Saudi Arabia, the dynamics have drastically changed. Even if the opposition were to win in Syria, the result would be increase destabilization in Turkey from Kurdish movement and other pro-Assad elements (remember irrespective of whatever one may say of Assad, the society was progressive, educated and economically well off. And religious harmony is a hallmark of his rule; so the Islamic victory over there will be something that will fracture the society as it is increasingly being dominated by AQ and ISIS!) And for Saudi Arabia - the stakes will dramatically change, Iran will ensure that it gets the West and US on its side, even if it has to compromise on its nuclear program (and it may just ask Russia and US to give it guarantees against any nuclear threat; remember Pakistani nuclear program is financed by the Saudis, they may ask for a couple of nukes) and then it will ensure that KSA is in a mess once for all. The emir is anyways not liked by his people, he is only in power as long as US is backing him and his army. The moment a pressure is applied on KSA, the people will rise against both Iran and the Emir!!!!

Interesting indepth analysis, appreciate it.
 
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The scenario is far fetched at best and improbable at worst. Until and unless Assad looses his nerves and runs. Reason being, had the US and West wanted Assad gone, he would have been gone by now. The oft leaked reports of US arming the moderate opposition is merely a hogwash. The support to the opposition, irrespective of AQ links, ISIS or otherwise, is chiefly by the troika of Turkey, Saudi Arabia and UAE with other Sunni nations also marginally involved. Reports have emerged of Pakistani ex-servicemen being deployed there with these groups too (how true, can be dependent on which report you believe) with money being sent to their families by these countries. It is an open secret that the Saudis bankroll the Pakistani Army and its nuclear research to protect itself. The whole scenario is further complicated by the tacit understanding between US and Iran, with the latter actively involved in organizing, arming and leading the operations on behalf of Assad. The US is also becoming wise to the fact that its biggest ally in middle east is mot necessarily working in its favor. The increased likelihood of a deal on Iran's Nuclear Plans is also an indicator of the slow but steady shift in US and West's policies in middle east. The plummeted oil prices due to the activation of Shale Tech in US is also something that has been a deliberate ploy, IMO, to starve these 'rich' OPEC countries who are now working against US' interests. With the recent events in Yemen, Houthis targeting Saudi Arabia, the dynamics have drastically changed. Even if the opposition were to win in Syria, the result would be increase destabilization in Turkey from Kurdish movement and other pro-Assad elements (remember irrespective of whatever one may say of Assad, the society was progressive, educated and economically well off. And religious harmony is a hallmark of his rule; so the Islamic victory over there will be something that will fracture the society as it is increasingly being dominated by AQ and ISIS!) And for Saudi Arabia - the stakes will dramatically change, Iran will ensure that it gets the West and US on its side, even if it has to compromise on its nuclear program (and it may just ask Russia and US to give it guarantees against any nuclear threat; remember Pakistani nuclear program is financed by the Saudis, they may ask for a couple of nukes) and then it will ensure that KSA is in a mess once for all. The emir is anyways not liked by his people, he is only in power as long as US is backing him and his army. The moment a pressure is applied on KSA, the people will rise against both Iran and the Emir!!!!

Nice write up. I just don't get the last sentence? You're talking about KSA and suddenly Iran?
 
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Nice write up. I just don't get the last sentence? You're talking about KSA and suddenly Iran?

Mention of Iran due to the fact that the inherent Sunni-Shia conflict will be a reason for people to get mobilized against Iran. Spill over of Yemeni conflict can already be seen effecting KSA and the threshold of people will be substantially reduced for Emir in a scenario wherein he will be seen as not doing enough to take on the arch enemy and making the people insecure in KSA due to his failure to do so. So, yeah, KSA should have both anti-Iran and anti-Emir feelings at the same time if this conflict spills over into Iran
 
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Turkey will open up its borders to more trade and such, as the new gov't will be friendly to Turkey. Jordan I'm not so sure about, as there are reports of them co-operating with the regime (mainly Jordanian intelligence though.) Probably just the same with them.
Lebanon will be complicated, as its basically an Iranian proxy but they can't do much to it as many Syrian refugees are there, and Hezbollah won't flinch at the idea of massacring a few hundred thousand people.
Iraq will have worse relations, as again its an Iranian proxy. Not many Syrians went there (and for good reason.)
Israel will probably not have much to worry about for the first few years, but if Syria's economy & army rebound quickly they won't have a very nice neighbor to their Northeast, to say the least.
 
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