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By John W. Traphagan
June 17, 2014

I have been traveling to East Asia (and many other parts of the world) for more than 25 years and over that time one of the things that has always struck me is how intelligent the general public in countries like Japan appear to be. It’s not that there aren’t dummies in East Asia, but it always seems that the average level of education and ability to think about the world intelligently and critically is impressively widespread. I’ve often thought about why this is the case and also why the same seems more difficult to say about the U.S. The answer, I think, can be found in a comment science fiction writer Isaac Asimov made about the U.S. while being interviewed in the 1980s: “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”

Asimov is right on the mark, and this cult of ignorance is the most serious national security issue facing the U.S. today. It is more important than the external threats from terrorists or the rise of a politically and economically powerful China. And a major part of the reason it is such an major issue for Americans to fix is that our immediate competitors, particularly those in Asia, have managed to create a culture in which rather than a cult of ignorance, a cult of intelligence plays a major role in shaping attitudes about the world and, thus, policies about dealing with other countries.

Many Americans are aware that the U.S. does not score well on measures such as international student assessment tests when compared to other industrial countries. For example, the 2011 Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study (TMISS) the top five countries for math were Singapore, South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Japan—the U.S. is not in the top ten. It is better by 8th grade, where the same counties are in the top five (although the order changes) and the U.S. makes number 9. Roughly the same pattern can bee seen for science results. This doesn’t seem too bad, but in a different testing organization’s measure, the Programme for International Student Assessment, the U.S. does not fare quite so well, scoring 36th for math, 28th for science, and 24th for reading. With the exception of science, where Finland is ranked 5th, all of the top five countries in this measure are from East Asia.

American policy has generally worked from the assumption that the problem lies in basic weaknesses in the structure of our educational system with its inherent inequalities and the way in which our school curricula are constructed. These certainly have contributed to comparatively weak scores. I have long been convinced that one of the reasons Japan’s educational system is better than the U.S.—at least in the sense that a very broad swath of the general public receives a good and equal education through high school—is related to funding. The U.S. system generates inherent inequalities in school funding by depending upon property taxes. Even in states where there is some (usually grudging) redistribution of wealth to support public schools in poor areas (in Texas it is called the Robin Hood law), it is obvious that children in wealthy areas receive a better education with far greater academic and other resources than those in poorer areas. In Japan, because there is a national curriculum and a significant portion of the funding for public schools comes from the national government, in addition to funding from prefectural and municipal governments, there is considerably less inequality in distribution of and access to quality education than in the U.S.

Unfortunately, the troubles with the U.S. education system are much deeper than distribution of funding or curriculum weaknesses, although these are both a byproduct of the cultural issue that Asimov observes. The troubles lie in the cult of ignorance and anti-intellectualism that has been a long-standing part of American society and which has become increasingly evident and powerful in recent years through the propagandizing and proselytizing of groups like the Tea Party and the religious right.

The fundamental reason that countries in places like East Asia present such a significant challenge to the U.S. politically and economically is not because they have a lot of people or big militaries, or seem to be willing to grow their economic and political might without concern for issues like damage to the environment (China). The problem is that these countries have core cultural values that are more akin to a cult of intelligence and education than a cult of ignorance and anti-intellectualism. In Japan, for example, teachers are held in high esteem and normally viewed as among the most important members of a community. I have never run across the type of suspicion and even disdain for the work of teachers that occurs in the U.S. Teachers in Japan typically are paid significantly more than their peers in the U.S. The profession of teaching is one that is seen as being of central value in Japanese society and those who choose that profession are well compensated in terms of salary, pension, and respect for their knowledge and their efforts on behalf of children.

In addition, we do not see in Japan significant numbers of the types of religious schools that are designed to shield children from knowledge about basic tenets of science and accepted understandings of history—such as evolutionary theory or the religious views of the Founding Fathers, who were largely deists—which are essential to having a fundamental understanding of the world. The reason for this is because in general Japanese value education, value the work of intellectuals, and see a well-educated public with a basic common knowledge in areas of scientific fact, math, history, literature, etc. as being an essential foundation to a successful democracy.

Americans need to recognize that if the cult of ignorance continues, it will become increasingly difficult to compete politically and economically with countries that highly value intelligence and learning. Nowhere is this more problematic in the U.S. than among a growing number of elected officials who are products of that cult of ignorance and who, thus, are not equipped to compete with their international peers. Why is this a problem of national security? Because a population and its leadership need to have the knowledge and intellectual skills necessary to analyze world affairs in an intelligent and sophisticated way and to elect intelligent, capable representatives. The problem is not really with our educational system; it is with our educational culture. Americans need to remember the words of Thomas Jefferson, who wrote to Charles Yancey on January 6, 1816: “”if a nation expects to be ignorant & free, in a state of civilisation, it expects what never was & never will be.”

John W. Traphagan is Professor of Religious Studies and faculty affiliate of the Population Research Center at the University of Texas at Austin.

Asia’s Cult of Intelligence | The Diplomat


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IMO, nations which can achieve great economic development in the past half century without many resources to export are all kind of this "Intelligence cult", be it 4 tigers,Japan or the late but rising China.

There aren't too many differences between the elite & well educated groups in the two regions, and the societies are mainly shored up by them,moreover the US is dependent on immigrants to some degree,but the other classes still matter a lot,especially in the long run.

However, many Chinese parents push their kids a bit too hard, sometimes cruel, while moderation(中庸) is also a key concept of Chinese culture.I do hope the Chinese parents can take it easier in the future.

What's your opinions?
 
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In the west, being stupid is looked up by the public. You see it in movies where the stupid, go-lucky chap become successful and get the girl. People believe in that shit.

In school the jocks are worshiped like heroes and get the girls. The nerds get no girls. Teachers also favour the jocks too allowing them to get away with things that normal students cannot.

There is also a culture of blame the other in the west. An example is a 5 year old boy kill himself with his dad's gun. The media and people will start blaming on the lack of legislation for gun control, etc. Need more government intervention instead of blaming on the dad for leaving his gun accessible to the child.

People who portray dumb people make a lot of money. Sandler, Rogan, Will Ferrell come to mind.

It is culturally ingrained in people.
 
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I agree that Asians are far more studious and dare I say intellectually capable than Western students.

However they are also the most beta males I have ever met. Can you call a man, a man, if he does not stand his ground when confronted?

Being a brilliant scientist takes more than knowledge. It takes leaps of creativity and more often than not an arrogance in your own worth. Something missing in many Asians (incl. Indians).
 
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East Asian countries have a high average I.Q. but very few geniuses. No major advances in science,technology, art or literature have come from them in modern times.
 
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it's fun to poke the US every once in a while
I'm sorry if this thread let you think is to poke the US, i did not mean to that.I'm a new member here and don't know what happened in the past.Maybe some words in this article are incorrectly used.
Generally speaking, we are humble, and we won't constantly poke or bash some certain country.We prefer to point out the merits of other nations(US,Japan,etc) and self-examine ourselves and then try to make some improvements.That's exactly the atmosphere of our society.
 
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East Asian countries have a high average I.Q. but very few geniuses. No major advances in science,technology, art or literature have come from them in modern times.

List of Japanese Nobel laureates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Reiji Okazaki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Chushiro Hayashi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

East Asian countries have a high average I.Q. but very few geniuses. No major advances in science,technology, art or literature have come from them in modern times.


List of Japanese inventions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I suggest you do some reading before you make impudent generalizations. :coffee:
 
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I'm not trying to be insulting, I'm just telling it how it is. I believe East Asians on average are more intelligent than Europeans but that they also lag behind when it comes to creativity and innovation. I didn't say none of you were creative or innovative.
 
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Ah...Another typical 'Americans are ignorant and stupid' thread.

Mr. Traphagan, and Mr. Asimov who he quoted, missed the point about the American character in general. It is not that we do not like knowledge and the ability to think/debate about knowledge. It is that the common trait of action, as in 'doing something about it', is preferable. Americans values problem solving over other mental endeavors. May be such an attitude can and have been taken to the extreme, and many Americans developed a disdain for those who take what we perceived to be excessive time to think about a problem instead of solving a problem, but that character preconditioning came from the time when continental US was unexplored and needed conquering. Like it or not, %99.999 of the world's issues are of the problem solving kind and the more physically evident a problem is, the greater the tendency of Americans to act instead of intellectualize.

But here is an American intellectual's take on intellectuals...

Intellectuals and Society: Thomas Sowell: Amazon.com: Books
Intellect is not wisdom. There can be "unwise intellect," as Thomas Carlyle characterized the thinking of Harriet Taylor, the friend of and later wife of John Stuart Mill. Sheer brainpower -- intellect, the capacity to grasp and manipulate complex concepts and ideas -- can be put at the service of concepts and ideas the lead to mistaken conclusions and unwise actions, in light of all the factors involved, including factors left out of some of the ingenious constructions of the intellect.

Karl Marx' Capital was a classic example of an intellectually masterful elaboration of a fundamental misconception -- in this case, the notion that "labor", the physical handling of the materials and instruments of production, is the real source of wealth. Obviously, if this were true, countries with much labor and little technology or entrepreneurship would be more prosperous than countries with the reverse, when in fact it is blatantly obvious that the direct opposite is the case.
At the surface, Traphagan and Asimov seems to have confused intellect and intellectualism. How many people in the world with powerful intellect felled under the spell of Marxism, a clear case of intellectualism gone horribly wrong ?
 
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Who will be stronger in the future, the East (China) or the West (USA)?

It depends on how long CCP keeps China's dygenic 1-child policy to let much higher IQ Han Chinese population % shrink hence to reduce China's national average IQ, and depends on how fast USA allows dygenic 3rd world immigrantion (mainly from Latin America, India etc) to lower her national avg IQ.

And this is a retarded statement too! 67.9% of the Indian Americans (2nd highest per capita among any other Asian groups) have a Bachelor's Degree and Asians are the most educated major racial group in America. The Indians in the USA are actually responsible for increasing the average IQ not decreasing.
 
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100% true, but it isnt a left or right thing. These liberals are just as stupid as the right wingers in the US. Everything the US is archiving is always built on immigrants from other countries with different values and education.
Have you seen some american who lives as the third generation in america archiving anything?

Ah...Another typical 'Americans are ignorant and stupid' thread.

Mr. Traphagan, and Mr. Asimov who he quoted, missed the point about the American character in general. It is not that we do not like knowledge and the ability to think/debate about knowledge. It is that the common trait of action, as in 'doing something about it', is preferable. Americans values problem solving over other mental endeavors. May be such an attitude can and have been taken to the extreme, and many Americans developed a disdain for those who take what we perceived to be excessive time to think about a problem instead of solving a problem, but that character preconditioning came from the time when continental US was unexplored and needed conquering. Like it or not, %99.999 of the world's issues are of the problem solving kind and the more physically evident a problem is, the greater the tendency of Americans to act instead of intellectualize.

But here is an American intellectual's take on intellectuals...

Intellectuals and Society: Thomas Sowell: Amazon.com: Books

At the surface, Traphagan and Asimov seems to have confused intellect and intellectualism. How many people in the world with powerful intellect felled under the spell of Marxism, a clear case of intellectualism gone horribly wrong ?
marxism marxism, be scared from the boogey man Communism and now many people have died under capitalism? do you see the slave labor exploited when you drink your coffee and consuming other resources?

US Soldiers Raped Boys In Front Of Their Mothers

I'm not trying to be insulting, I'm just telling it how it is. I believe East Asians on average are more intelligent than Europeans but that they also lag behind when it comes to creativity and innovation. I didn't say none of you were creative or innovative.
so where is british innovation? western innovation comes from only from the US thanks to their Monopolistic afford on keeping it running. But from europe nothing? and most of the US innovation is done by asians and russians, not europeans
 
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100% true, but it isnt a left or right thing. These liberals are just as stupid as the right wingers in the US. Everything the US is archiving is always built on immigrants from other countries with different values and education.
Have you seen some american who lives as the third generation in america archiving anything?


marxism marxism, be scared from the boogey man Communism and now many people have died under capitalism? do you see the slave labor exploited when you drink your coffee and consuming other resources?

US Soldiers Raped Boys In Front Of Their Mothers


so where is british innovation? western innovation comes from only from the US thanks to their Monopolistic afford on keeping it running. But from europe nothing? and most of the US innovation is done by asians and russians, not europeans
Britain ranks third in the world for scientific discoveries between the US and China and second per capita. Russia discovers nothing except new vodka and heroin recipes.
 
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Hi,

Americans are an extremely intelligent people---extremely considerate and very open minded.

Asian are very sharp and clever people---but they have nothing of their own to claim---they all are dependant on the united states to propel them to the ultimate success.

I hardly know of any Japanese---but from what I have read about them---I would say that they are closer to the americans than other Asians.
 
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Hi,

Americans are an extremely intelligent people---extremely considerate and very open minded.

Asian are very sharp and clever people---but they have nothing of their own to claim---they all are dependant on the united states to propel them to the ultimate success.

I hardly know of any Japanese---but from what I have read about them---I would say that they are closer to the americans than other Asians.
Easy there, fella. Just go with the flow -- Americans are ignorant and stupid. That is the point of this and many other past threads.
 
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