Interesting POV: U.S. anti-intellectualism versus EastAsia Intelligence cult

[FairAndUnbiased]

Americans values problem solving over other mental endeavors

You cannot act to solve a problem without first understanding the problem.

I don't know about you, but I was taught to think before acting.

 

[opruh]

Easy there, fella. Just go with the flow -- Americans are ignorant and stupid. That is the point of this and many other past threads.

I agree with you, Americans are ignorant and very very stupid.

 

[gambit]

You cannot act to solve a problem without first understanding the problem.

I don't know about you, but I was taught to think before acting.

So was I. But there is something called 'paralysis via analysis'. Ever heard of that ? In engineering, that warning is more applicable than you think, especially when there are competitors. So all you have to do is examine American accomplishments in science and engineering, regardless of whether those came from whites or non-whites, which matters much to most people here, and see why despite the US short time in history, Americans continually to outpaces the rest of the world.

 

[IPen]

This is not a consensus, not even a conclusion.
The world is too big for us to understand every aspect of it, not to say 2 guys familiar to a same subject may probably hold contrary opinions.
There are also many other professors in US commenting on how things are going outside US, correctly or not.So take it easy.

 

[Solomon2]

I'm not trying to be insulting, I'm just telling it how it is. I believe East Asians on average are more intelligent than Europeans but that they also lag behind when it comes to creativity and innovation. I didn't say none of you were creative or innovative.

I think they're catching up pretty quick, the Japanese being about a generation ahead of the rest. I've been thinking that significant advances in the fine arts, for example, are now being made more in Japan than in the U.S. Just look at the architecture of Yoshio Taniguchi or the papercut tapestry of Tomoko Shioyasu!

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[kankan326]

China's (East Asian main stream) traditional culture did not courage new ideas and innovations, for the sake of stability of the empire. And due to the geographical isolation, ancient China didn't create modern math and physics systems. I think that's the reason why China lags behind in science. Anyway, things will get better.

 

[Aepsilons]

I think they're catching up pretty quick, the Japanese being about a generation ahead of the rest. I've been thinking that significant advances in the fine arts, for example, are now being made more in Japan than in the U.S. Just look at the architecture of Yoshio Taniguchi or the papercut tapestry of Tomoko Shioyasu!

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An excellent example of referencing Taniguchi Yoshio! There was one other famous Japanese (half American) artist who made headway during pre-war Japan and post-war Japan. He was Noguchi Isamu!

Some of his works:

 

[gambit]

This is not a consensus, not even a conclusion.
The world is too big for us to understand every aspect of it, not to say 2 guys familiar to a same subject may probably hold contrary opinions.
There are also many other professors in US commenting on how things are going outside US, correctly or not.So take it easy.

There is a difference between intelligence and intellectual-ism.

Americans are no different than any other people. Parents want their children to be intelligent and for when the children became adults, they would have intelligent spouses.

But perhaps what make Americans somewhat unique, and that uniqueness disgusted the great sci-fi writer Isaac Asimov, is that Americans are suspicious of intellectual-ism, which is:

- the exercise of the intellect at the expense of the emotions.

That does not mean we cannot look at things in objectivity (emotionless), but rather that we are suspicious of anyone who is constantly that way and who continually advocates living that way. Of all the professions, the one that values emotional living is the medical profession. Doctors know full well how emotions affects brain chemistry and we know more about the Moon than we do about the human brain/mind combination.

Suspicions of intellectual-ism and intellectuals are not confined to Americans even though we may make that suspicion more obvious than others. Here is what your Mao said of intellectuals during the Anti-Rightist Campaign of 1957-59:

'An intellectual has a tail just like a dog, if you pour some cold water on it, he will tuck it between his legs, but if you try a different attitude he will wag it high in the air, and he will look quite cocky. Just because he has read a couple of books he feels quite cocky. When working people see his cocky air, when they see that attitude, they feel a little uncomfortable.'

Chinese intellectuals were persecuted, not just by the state but also by the people after Mao conjured up all sorts of characters unique to anyone who had any level of academic learning and how those character traits made them 'enemy of the people'. Mao could not have done this unless there is an existing suspicion of intelligent people who are not intellectuals in the first place. Mao, just like Hitler and other great charismatics in history, understand people, their weaknesses, and vulnerable points.

So take it easy on US.

 

[IPen]

There is a difference between intelligence and intellectual-ism.

Americans are no different than any other people. Parents want their children to be intelligent and for when the children became adults, they would have intelligent spouses.

But perhaps what make Americans somewhat unique, and that uniqueness disgusted the great sci-fi writer Isaac Asimov, is that Americans are suspicious of intellectual-ism, which is:

- the exercise of the intellect at the expense of the emotions.

That does not mean we cannot look at things in objectivity (emotionless), but rather that we are suspicious of anyone who is constantly that way and who continually advocates living that way. Of all the professions, the one that values emotional living is the medical profession. Doctors know full well how emotions affects brain chemistry and we know more about the Moon than we do about the human brain/mind combination.

Suspicions of intellectual-ism and intellectuals are not confined to Americans even though we may make that suspicion more obvious than others. Here is what your Mao said of intellectuals during the Anti-Rightist Campaign of 1957-59:

'An intellectual has a tail just like a dog, if you pour some cold water on it, he will tuck it between his legs, but if you try a different attitude he will wag it high in the air, and he will look quite cocky. Just because he has read a couple of books he feels quite cocky. When working people see his cocky air, when they see that attitude, they feel a little uncomfortable.'

Chinese intellectuals were persecuted, not just by the state but also by the people after Mao conjured up all sorts of characters unique to anyone who had any level of academic learning and how those character traits made them 'enemy of the people'. Mao could not have done this unless there is an existing suspicion of intelligent people who are not intellectuals in the first place. Mao, just like Hitler and other great charismatics in history, understand people, their weaknesses, and vulnerable points.

So take it easy on US.

I am not a fan of Mao.But it's really a fun whenever i see a westerner depicts vividly what Mao had said and done and what's Mao's conspiracy, while he can't even recognize a Chinese character.
Where's your suspicions of your media?Especially while it's common sense that Western media always bad mouth when it comes to those "politically incorrect" countries.Look at this picture(posted by BBC and deleted later)

This group of people was indeed to protest the protesters in HK months ago.

You can also think by this way: recall one of your best friends, and all to your knowledge he had said and done, from which pick up some sections(words,actions etc) without context to try to portray him as a very bad guy or a guy with some certain traits. Not very hard, right?

I won't bother to research about Mao to refute anything.Also i have been to BeiJing manyyyyyy times without ever planning to visit Mao Memorial, but i do know that there is always a very very longggggg queue in front of the Memorial and that those people are not as stupid as N.Korea people(or China would have too many dumb people to make any headway).

As for the other parts of your post, thanks for the sharing of your POV.

 

[senheiser]

Britain ranks third in the world for scientific discoveries between the US and China and second per capita. Russia discovers nothing except new vodka and heroin recipes.

proof? = nothing

Russians invented everything modern society is built on

Invented By Russians? | English Russia

An excellent example of referencing Taniguchi Yoshio! There was one other famous Japanese (half American) artist who made headway during pre-war Japan and post-war Japan. He was Noguchi Isamu!

Some of his works:

I think they're catching up pretty quick, the Japanese being about a generation ahead of the rest. I've been thinking that significant advances in the fine arts, for example, are now being made more in Japan than in the U.S. Just look at the architecture of Yoshio Taniguchi or the papercut tapestry of Tomoko Shioyasu!

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how is this art in the first place? Its excuse at being shitty artists




this is real art of people who knew how to design human and natural proportions

society is moving backwards

 

[Aepsilons]

proof? = nothing

Russians invented everything modern society is built on

Invented By Russians? | English Russia



how is this art in the first place? Its excuse at being shitty artists




this is real art of people who knew how to design human and natural proportions

society is moving backwards

Before you entreat on art, please read about Art History, and various genre of Art, don't just spew negative information.

About Art History: Art Basics, Movements, and More

 

[senheiser]

Before you entreat on art, please read about Art History, and various genre of Art, don't just spew negative information.

About Art History: Art Basics, Movements, and More

it was about creativity and innovation what solomon posted, but you and he showed typical mordern art like cubes. Whats so innovative and creative about a cube?
Our ancestors were more innovative and creative about their depiction of Dragons and other mystical art than today people are in general despite having so much knowledge in science.

 

[Solomon2]

An excellent example of referencing Taniguchi Yoshio! There was one other famous Japanese (half American) artist who made headway during pre-war Japan and post-war Japan. He was Noguchi Isamu!

Some of his works:

I consider Noguchi Isamu as an American and belonging to the 20th century, not this one. I much prefer his furniture to his larger sculptures. It may sound odd, but while I like their forms I often think they would look better in different colors. In these examples the cartouche would liven up its neighborhood if it was painted Klein Blue rather than black, the cube would look better in Royal Blue (too many red and browns in the surroundings already - even more when it was new) and the fountain could use some metallic flakes in the surface finish to firmly distinguish it as art rather than concrete construction debris - not only did Noguchi know the fountain would be off much of the time (it's in Chicago) it has not aged well at all.

I would never have been so blunt with Noguchi to his face. It's insulting to the artist. But if I was the commissioner would have asked him a series of leading questions that might have led him to reconsider and think of changes like mine or - joy! - something even better.

 

[Aepsilons]

I consider Noguchi Isamu as an American and belonging to the 20th century, not this one. I much prefer his furniture to his larger sculptures. It may sound odd, but while I like their forms I often think they would look better in different colors. In these examples the cartouche would liven up its neighborhood if it was painted Klein Blue rather than black, the cube would look better in Royal Blue (too many red and browns in the surroundings already - even more when it was new) and the fountain could use some metallic flakes in the surface finish to firmly distinguish it as art rather than concrete construction debris - not only did Noguchi know the fountain would be off much of the time (it's in Chicago) it has not aged well at all.

I would never have been so blunt with Noguchi to his face. It's insulting to the artist. But if I was the commissioner would have asked him a series of leading questions that might have led him to reconsider and think of changes like mine or - joy! - something even better.

Couple of years ago I visited the Museum of Modern Art in Chicago and attended a lecture on some of the modern expressionists in that city and was so thrilled that they conducted a biography on Noguchi ! One thing that I like about his style is that he didn't belong to a particular movement -- per se -- but rather cooperated with different artists and a host of different mediums as well as schools. I'm quite fond of his small sculptures, as well as some of his larger exterior sculptures. This past summer I visited the Garden Museum in Long Island --- its quite beautiful.

The master at work (he bears semblance to the late Yul Brynner, doesn't he? )

 

[Solomon2]

Couple of years ago I visited the Museum of Modern Art in Chicago and attended a lecture on some of the modern expressionists in that city and was so thrilled that they conducted a biography on Noguchi ! One thing that I like about his style is that he didn't belong to a particular movement -- per se -- but rather cooperated with different artists and a host of different mediums as well as schools. I'm quite fond of his small sculptures, as well as some of his larger exterior sculptures. This past summer I visited the Garden Museum in Long Island --- its quite beautiful.

The master at work (he bears semblance to the late Yul Brynner, doesn't he? )

O.K., maybe Noguchi is more Japanese than American. There's that Japanese emphasis of nature-like harmony - but in his case that serves to dampen creativity. Just compare Noguchi's sculpture gardens with Frank Lloyd Wright's Fallingwater, you'll see that harmony with surroundings need not come at the expense of creativity:

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