Intelligence Agencies got evidence of EX NDS Chief & Indian involvement in Bacha Khan Uni

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[karakoram]

Very well said 90% terrorism will reduce if we block our western border with Afghanistan. No more refuges. No more terrorism.

 

[Dalit]

No doubt that countless attacks in Pakistan have been sponsored and orchestrated by India. The latest attack against university students is no different. India has used Afghan terror consulates as a massacre launch pad against Pakistan. Suicide factories in Afghanistan are places of hate where attackers are brainwashed and trained to kill innocent Pakistanis. This is no secret.

Pakistan will continue to suffer terrorist attacks unless it doesn't seal the porous and lawless border with Afghanistan. The border region with Afghanistan is where 99% of Pakistan's security problems exist.

 

[BountyHunter]

BREAKING : Intelligence Agencies got evidence of EX NDS Chief & Indian involvement in Bacha Khan University Attack.

LOL .....The intro made my day to be honest what is the point if you scream with all those background sounds coming up -_- ? I was wearing my headphones with 100% Volume RIP ...

 

[tarrar]

Evidence is there but to speak it out the Govt. will not do that as their balls have fallen down some where long, long time ago.

 

[karan.1970]

Very well said 90% terrorism will reduce if we block our western border with Afghanistan. No more refuges. No more terrorism.

Pakistan will never do that since it will block its reach into Afghanistan it self. And the want of that reach is what started this ball of terrorism rolling in 1990's

 

[karakoram]

Pakistan will never do that since it will block its reach into Afghanistan it self. And the want of that reach is what started this ball of terrorism rolling in 1990's

This is the only option for prosper Pakistan. No more refugees.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Don't you feel ashamed of using these sad events to show your third class personal bigoted hate towards someone?

Its pretty obvious like IK, you also don't have any experience in foreign policy and diplomacy. When the Pathankot event happened, did you see NS making any threatening statements or did you see Modi making any?

I wonder about you people if you even graduated with a decent digree before writing here third class low quality posts. At the PM level, these things don't matter, of course either side will be polite as the ice has been broken by Modi coming to Pakistan. But if this was really an Indian response to Pathankot, it wasn't executed by Modi. It was their defense ministry and the military. I am sure Modi knows about it but he'll play it as a PM. Similarly, whether Pakistan now retaliates or takes out the perpetrator from Afghanistan will be depending on her Defense and Military establishment. NS as a PM, has to respond politically to Modi.

What many fools with your emotional level don't understand, is the fact that India WANTS Pakistan to get involved into a limited war. Either side can't use nukes as that would be the end of both economic systems. So this would remain as a limited war for a week. But most of the damage will take place inside Pakistan. India is concerned about Pakistan's ECONOMY as the MAIN issue right now. Pakistani labor i young, educated and more in numbers and cheaply available. That by itself is a HUGE threat to Indian labor which is now more expensive than Pakistan due to economic growth in India. So India's prime target is to achieve a small conflict and damage all the infrastructure which will push Pakistan back by 7-10 years at the least (not to mention billions of loss). So at the PM level, the game is being played with brains and diplomacy.

Pakistan's best bet is not to get into a conflict with India. The SECOND Pakistan bag a few labor related contracts in the next 2+ years, your IT and services sector will see unprecedented growth and you'll rival India in that business even with a smaller pie. That is where Pakistan needs to go.

There is a reason why they are targeting your YOUTH in schools. They want to scare people off from going to college so the process of having fresh graduates will slow down. More graduates mean more available labor with a degree ready to work in any outsourcing sector the second Pakistan brings in semi conductor manufacturing (already in pipes), and the next logical step is to offer those same services across the globe. That is India's bread and butter through her educated labor right now. So that's what they are after.

It would be nice if people like you, don't make these sad events into a political opportunity to score political points, without having ANY background in REAL issues. You are just making yourself look selfish and your IK in the same light as people are thinking, what's wrong with you guys? Can you not stop your cheap politics shop for a couple of days to mourn such a sad loss???? Nothing will happen, people like you and IK don't have care for others. Just selfish power hungry individuals!!




Posts like these make you think WTF was the poster smoking before writing this crap. This is a PROXY war, meaning there is no enemy and the proofs are murky. Second, for the brave Park Army to respond and start a direct war, will be the end of Pakistan as Pakistan can't defend herself for more than a couple of weeks. Not to mention, if this remains a limited conflict, Pakistan will get about 10 years behind in economy. The Chinese will be gone. You'll have damaged country and infrastructure left and there is little money to rebuild. THIS is EXACTLY what India wants!!!!

NS isn't stupid or was born yesterday. Nor is he unaware of the fact there are fools out there who'd write posts like yours and will try to bash him. But the reality is that Pak Army can't fight India with everything else going on. Pakistan ALSO can't afford to fukk up on economy's front, as that would make it lose the ONLY opportunity it has, and will make 220 million people suffer, back to the dark hole with damaged infrastructure.

So he's keeping India at bay and the military actually appreciates it. India's biggest fear is the Chinese corridor linking Pakistan to half the globe and then providing young and educated labor services (which has been India's bread and butter from IT, healthcare and all). That is also why they are killing school and university students to slower down the educated your generation as they look at each graduate as a threat to an Indian job. So learn the issue before silly commenting. Support your government and the country. This is the SAME guy who upon real pressure, decided to pursue the tests of 1998. If he was that close to India from the inside, there was billions on the table with hundreds of F-16's and all, that could've made the military happy. But he decided otherwise. As a PM trying to grow Pakistani economy, he has to make these decisions rationally. Army soldiers should be emotional so they can fight. The decision makers need to be very rational because each decision can cause many billions can stall a country's growth and future!!



What do you think a mighty general would've done? Start another Kargil, get your as* beaten, thousands killed for a failed adventure? Now let's add more to it, damaged country due to limited war, with the Chinese gone as they'd lose billions if a conflict breaks out? Infrastructure, plants, projects will all be damaged and the upcoming economy will go to hell. Putting Pakistan in depression for the next 50 years?

You guys are very smart. Its pretty obvious how much real decision making capability you have. A general would be doing the same as NS. If that wasn't true, you'd have seen RS make different statements. But the Army is stretched too think and can't fight another enemy. Your country has a tiny budget with little GDP, which could go bankrupt very quickly. But geniuses like you, ignore ALL responsibility to improve 220 million people's future and just stay in what happens today. Learn to understand the "bigger picture" before you write these silly posts. I know you can do better than this.

I agree with most of your comment....Specially about why India wants to engage Pakistan in a limited conflict. Their deep rooted hatred for Pakistan is going to cost them if ever try to act on cold start......Pakistan will make sure that their cold start turns into hot start........Country is defended by its people not army. They may have an eye on our Kashmir but we also have an eye on their one.

Now, Pakistan should make this point clear to India and ask them either if their hatred for Pakistan is more than their love for India........Choice is theirs........Live and let live.......Pakistan will never accept their dominance just like all others in the region do.

For Pakistan, strategy should be to include as much as countries in CPEC. The more at stake, the more countries will take notice of India and put her in her place.

Sorry for abusive/grilling language fellow Pakistanis used against you but you also do not lag behind them in that.

Cheers....Have a nice day.

 

[batmannow]

try to understand.. for this PM, the border line is meaningless anyway and the pink turban given just sealed the deal and the Indian iron business is much dearer and worthy than the nameless students killed in a city this PM will never visit.

if you really want a comment from him or his party then he will say.. we are democratic and want peace with India but its our army that wants war.

Don't you think that our federal govt is working on a hidden ,CIA agenda ?
If they are doing so that means ,that some power with in , Pakistan has to stop this whole act of traitorship ,once & for all.
BTW , what you think our chances are using land & air inside Afghanistan to mark & take down our wanted terrorists , instead of our ISPR giving details of the senseless investigations of the CHARSADA terrorists act ?
Hell when we know already , from where its been planned & executed , why don't just shut the hole forever ?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Don't you think that our federal govt is working on a hidden ,CIA agenda ?
If they are doing so that means ,that some power with in , Pakistan has to stop this whole act of traitorship ,once & for all.
BTW , what you think our chances are using land & air inside Afghanistan to mark & take down our wanted terrorists , instead of our ISPR giving details of the senseless investigations of the CHARSADA terrorists act ?
Hell when we know already , from where its been planned & executed , why don't just shut the hole forever ?

what makes you think we haven't done it in the past already?

too bad if they hide in the Indian cultural centres. they are not more sacred than our schools.

seriously only Americans have done such operations in the world. if we were few countries away then we would not have cared about the fall out. hostile Afghan regime is next door and will get an excuse to openly host all anti-Pakistan terrorists openly.

world tells us that we face terror of TTP.. because we dont go after the enemies of India..Americans are telling us if we stop targeting TTP and go after those that attack India then TTP would stop attacking us.
sadly, the history tells us that things dont work that way.sadly, the history tells us that things dont work that way.

indirectly we are being told that TTP attacks are justified since JeM and LeT are attacking Indians and we dont give priority to the Indian enemies instead of ours.

 

[batmannow]

what makes you think we haven't done it in the past already?

too bad if they hide in the Indian cultural centres. they are not more sacred than our schools.

seriously only Americans have done such operations in the world. if we were few countries away then we would not have cared about the fall out. hostile Afghan regime is next door and will get an excuse to openly host all anti-Pakistan terrorists openly.

world tells us that we face terror of TTP.. because we dont go after the enemies of India..Americans are telling us if we stop targeting TTP and go after those that attack India then TTP would stop attacking us.
sadly, the history tells us that things dont work that way.sadly, the history tells us that things dont work that way.

indirectly we are being told that TTP attacks are justified since JeM and LeT are attacking Indians and we dont give priority to the Indian enemies instead of ours.

If we can get a hold on JeM & LeT , & then we go with our SAS shipped into Afghanistan , i don't think these so called stupid super would have much to ask from us ?
If we won't attack our enemies there , then it will be a enemy Paradise any way ?
As it is proven into both APS & CHARSADA terrorist acts ?
We need to be strong , Americans are on their weakest lows in Afghanistan , with much less athuority ?

we can , just stop all of our favours to them in aghanistan , instead we can allow the real afghan opposition to capture what it can in there ?
Rest of Afghan lands would be free , for us to have our target sites locked on ?
& i think we could make talaibans agreed on a regional peace keeping force , making a soft political transition in place there ?
I think , we need to bring Russia on the working table , cause now NATO time is getting over from there , & been proven wasted .
We need to show the world we are power , we don't accept any stupid fear , hatched on us ?
Terrorism & terrorists only understand the language to power nothing else ?
We need to talk to them , in their language & from our point of power ,not from point of weakness ?
It would be a huge mistake ,if we keep waiting in our stupid hopes that afghan govt will make any action against these paid terrorists or India will stop its support from them ?
LeJ kind of organisation also need to understand that , we don't need them now , they should not play with our existence if they not understand it then, they also can find their dam hell .

 

[Viper0011.]

try to understand.. for this PM, the border line is meaningless anyway and the pink turban given just sealed the deal and the Indian iron business is much dearer and worthy than the nameless students killed in a city this PM will never visit.

if you really want a comment from him or his party then he will say.. we are democratic and want peace with India but its our army that wants war.

I am having a hard time in understanding your post........what should any country do after a terrorist attack specially if you are neighbors with nukes???? Go to war? Fuk the country's economy and her 220 million people,who finally have a future coming up?

Get into a war with a military that's not able to fight it at this time? I think you should check with your generals before writing these serious statements showing the PM as incompetent. While the reality is, he's kept India at bay and he will, till 2018. When the tide of the economy turns in the next three years, and your defense budget boosts up to $ 15-18 billion per year. You'll be in a much better shape to talk tough.

India, since Modi's taking power, wants to involve Pakistan in a limited war. Both sides know that no nukes will be used for the first few days and the war will be forcefully stopped in a week by the US / Western powers. But, in a week, if India combined her East - West fleet for a few days.......how do you see the tiny little PAF with less than 150 BVR hets countering over 400 BVR-able and higher capacity jets? Needless to say, the first few days, Pakistan would've received serious damage militarily and economically. Your ports will be attacked, infrastructure and all will be damaged as THAT is India's goal. To stop Pakistan from growing economically and bring a competitor in the Labor market (India's bread and butter).

They also know that Pakistan's defense budget will grow too, and a Pakistan with $ 20 billion defense budget (or close to it), would have over 80-100 Naval ships and about 500 4th Gen fighters (larger than Turkey's armed forces). So at that time, if would be IMPOSSIBLE for Indian fleet limited to Pakistan to even have a way as it'll be an equal match.

So knowing these realities.....what would you do? Lose the ONLY opportunity Pakistan has, and takes $ 50 billion worth of more damage to your infrastructure and go behind 10 years trying to play a macho-man? Or keep the enemy's wishes at bay somehow through diplomacy and keep buying time, till YOU are in a position yourself where you know no one will hit you, EVER. And your country's economy and world ranking would've improved seriously, putting you in top 12 places to do business with, live in and work....? You are a smart guy, I'll let you find answers inside your heart!!

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I am having a hard time in understanding your post........what should any country do after a terrorist attack specially if you are neighbors with nukes???? Go to war? Fuk the country's economy and her 220 million people,who finally have a future coming up?

Get into a war with a military that's not able to fight it at this time? I think you should check with your generals before writing these serious statements showing the PM as incompetent. While the reality is, he's kept India at bay and he will, till 2018. When the tide of the economy turns in the next three years, and your defense budget boosts up to $ 15-18 billion per year. You'll be in a much better shape to talk tough.

India, since Modi's taking power, wants to involve Pakistan in a limited war. Both sides know that no nukes will be used for the first few days and the war will be forcefully stopped in a week by the US / Western powers. But, in a week, if India combined her East - West fleet for a few days.......how do you see the tiny little PAF with less than 150 BVR hets countering over 400 BVR-able and higher capacity jets? Needless to say, the first few days, Pakistan would've received serious damage militarily and economically. Your ports will be attacked, infrastructure and all will be damaged as THAT is India's goal. To stop Pakistan from growing economically and bring a competitor in the Labor market (India's bread and butter).

They also know that Pakistan's defense budget will grow too, and a Pakistan with $ 20 billion defense budget (or close to it), would have over 80-100 Naval ships and about 500 4th Gen fighters (larger than Turkey's armed forces). So at that time, if would be IMPOSSIBLE for Indian fleet limited to Pakistan to even have a way as it'll be an equal match.

So knowing these realities.....what would you do? Lose the ONLY opportunity Pakistan has, and takes $ 50 billion worth of more damage to your infrastructure and go behind 10 years trying to play a macho-man? Or keep the enemy's wishes at bay somehow through diplomacy and keep buying time, till YOU are in a position yourself where you know no one will hit you, EVER. And your country's economy and world ranking would've improved seriously, putting you in top 12 places to do business with, live in and work....? You are a smart guy, I'll let you find answers inside your heart!!

what he shouldn't say is ... that the border line is meaningless. its disgraceful to say as a leader.
secondly have some self respect. the economy is already F'ed.. selling off whatever national assets is hardly going to help the economy. I feel sorry for people who are really decent and honest and they find themselves having to apologise for this political dynasty which is so brazen in its plundering and corruption that it nothing surprises the people any more.

the defeatist mentality is our biggest enemy. we have been always outnumbered this is how the history goes but we dont go to India to setup businesses there while they continue to lob mortar shells into our border villages.

ok dont pick up the fight but when he is on to you then dont drop your pants either.

 

[HRK]

world tells us that we face terror of TTP.. because we dont go after the enemies of India..Americans are telling us if we stop targeting TTP and go after those that attack India then TTP would stop attacking us.
sadly, the history tells us that things dont work that way.sadly, the history tells us that things dont work that way.

indirectly we are being told that TTP attacks are justified since JeM and LeT are attacking Indians and we dont give priority to the Indian enemies instead of ours.

Most accurate & concise summary of Pakistan's war ....

 

[Viper0011.]

what he shouldn't say is ... that the border line is meaningless. its disgraceful to say as a leader.
secondly have some self respect. the economy is already F'ed.. selling off whatever national assets is hardly going to help the economy. I feel sorry for people who are really decent and honest and they find themselves having to apologise for this political dynasty which is so brazen in its plundering and corruption that it nothing surprises the people any more.

the defeatist mentality is our biggest enemy. we have been always outnumbered this is how the history goes but we dont go to India to setup businesses there while they continue to lob mortar shells into our border villages.

ok dont pick up the fight but when he is on to you then dont drop your pants either.

You've combined like 4 separate issues into one . Each of which, require its own discussion.

1) Privatization will make the white elephants, and the corruption go away. Once people's and institutions money is in any failing organization, it will turn around very quickly the newly elected CEO will be empowered by the board to turn a white elephant into profit. More talented people will be hired (vs. current staff of many Pakistani institutes who's cousin is a minister and they just show up to collect a paycheck).

Take a look at ANY modern, growing country. All institutions and organizations produce profit when they go under private sector. Lockheed, Boeing, Coca Cola, Airbus, Tata are all examples of organizations that produce billions per year and create employment in hundreds of thousands. Why couldn't that happen for Pakistani institutes that are taking billions and distributing to people who aren't even qualified but are working high paying jobs? You want to end corruption right......well this is one of the ways to establish a system . Remember, privatization doesn't mean that the Gov't of Pakistan doesn't control anything. Just like Northrup or Boeing can't sell a bullet without the permissions of the US government, the same applies to these companies in Pakistan too. So the government maintains full control.

2) Your economy is everything but "F'ed" as you called it. Here is a reality check for you on the current government's economic improvement. A country's econmic growth is measured two ways in today's world: 1: the stock market, 2: real estate prices. I live in the US, but I've done some research before writing this post. The real estate prices in Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad are going insane!!!! Shows people that people want to buy expensive land and live in nicer homes and can AFFORD them somehow (but per you, the economy is "f'ed"? I'd like it if you guys can remain objective and keep the personal emotions and hate out of the way for your country's growth's sake!!

Again, I don't give a fu*k about NS or his cousins. I am referring to his policies and what those are, have and will bring to Pakistan. So please, before you generalize me like ya'll do, see the proofs in the pudding!!

Reality Check:
Stocks in Pakistan gained 49.4% last year.

MSCI plans on increasing Pakistan's exposure in its frontier market index.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2133273-pakistans-weight-in-this-etf-is-set-to-soar

http://www.etftrends.com/2014/04/pakistans-weight-in-this-etf-set-to-soar/

3) On India.....I am in favor of limited trade. Its a need and should've happened decades ago. People to people relationship are the only way to get to a trade union type of a situation where people take over and military, terrorism on each side and all, can be left behind. Its actually better for Pakistan as Pakistan's economy is now taking off and she still needs 3-4 years worth of growth to start to fill in the gaps (like fighter jets, naval ships, etc). So limited trade should happen, things that Pakistan needs and are cheaper in India than say Germany or Nepal (just using names as an example), Pakistan should buy from India and vs-a-vis. This isn't a free trade or open trade agreement like you guys have with China and Turkey (and soon to be with Russia). So this will help form a future's economic zone, overwriting the existing bitterness and conflict from each side.

4) None of the issues above are NS's fault. Which of your politicians, including the Army Chief has threatened India in response to the terrorist attacks? If you ask the Indians, they do what you guys do, they'll first deny and if pressed hard, will say " well, we got attacked twice, so may be our people decided to retaliate". So this crazy vs. crazy mentality isn't going to produce jack shiit.

5) Which one of your "alternatives" would "deal" with India on this topic? When your military can't fight a war, what good is it to sound hawkish and act like a tough guy but not able to throw punches? AGAIN, someone has to play smart. But you guys don't understand the meaning of "smart" and "political"...it must be black or white. Let's go attack India and it doesn't matter if we lose half the PAF and the economy goes back ten years and CPEC becomes history!!!! But let's try to sound "macho" and "big deal" when its not.

Modi played cool and NS is playing it cool. That's how it works. You guys need to mature up and turn 18 soon.