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Indian students rank near the bottom on PISA, a global test of learning standards conducted in 74 nations this year. TIMSS, another standardized international test, produced similar results earlier in 2003.

These results are not only a wake-up call for the "India Shining" brigade, but also raise serious questions about the credibility of India's western cheerleaders like Indian-American journalist Fareed Zakaria and New York Times' columnist Tom Friedman.

Haq's Musings: PISA & TIMSS Confirm Low Quality of Indian Education

The liar gets caught with his pants down again, his definition of global is 9 countries, and in India tested in two states out of 35 states and UT's.

I advise people not to visit his blog as he posts those false links just to get more visits to his page, once you go there you find out he is just posting articles from 2003 and nothing to do what he deceitful titles he posts here.

Here is the original report..

ACER releases results of PISA 2009+ participant economies

Costa Rica, Georgia, India (Himachal Pradesh & Tamil Nadu), Malaysia, Malta, Mauritius, Venezuela (Miranda), Moldova, United Arab Emirates
Media Centre | ACER





how Pakistani students performed in PISA?

There was no global survey, he is just a lying scumbag.
 
If we do a comparison ... here is the problem

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Is an example of Evolution , one group - is excelling , while other falls behind rapidly

This evolutionary difference can't be visually understood in span of 10-15 years but when you view it with scope of around 100-150 years you will see how 1 group can lag behind the evolutionary process ... and become extinct over time

Pakistan in general is behind 30-40 years already vs rest of world

Why did Homo Sepiens survived while the "other human" sorta vanished .. could not adapt to changing environment over 1000+ years

"Some Argue" - that the successful Homo Sepiens , knew "knowledge to farm" so they could grow their crops to feed while the other brand of humans , were hunters , and when there were not enough animals to hunt they just ... vanished with no knowledge of farming

The usage of Drones , against the poor is just another example of how , one group can abuse the "Advantage over years and years" but I think people know where I am going towards
 
Excellent point Azad, We not only have to increase the outreach of educational institutions we also have to improve the conditions and change our teaching/learning methods.
 
Sixty-four economies originally participated in PISA 2009. Ten additional partner participants, who were unable to participate within the PISA 2009 project timeframe, participated in the PISA 2009 study on a reduced and delayed timeline in 2010. This is known as the PISA 2009+ project.

The report shows the results for all 74 nations. China ranks at the top in #1 spot and India second last at #73.

https://mypisa.acer.edu.au/images/mypisadoc/acer_pisa 2009+ international.pdf

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Haq's Musings: PISA & TIMSS Confirm Low Quality of Indian Education
 
Here's a Financial Times Report on the inadequacy of India's primary education:

Primary education standards in India are as bad as in Papua New Guinea and crisis-torn Afghanistan and Yemen, according to a team of Indian development economists.

In a study of schools in the country’s most populous states they found that fast-paced economic growth has failed to improve India’s basic educational standards over the past 15 years. The Public Report on Basic Education Revisited showed some children were unable to read after three years of schooling across the Hindi-speaking northern belt.

“When the investigators arrived, half of the government schools were still devoid of any teaching activity,” the report said. “In a functioning democracy, this would be a major national concern. Yet little notice has been taken in the corridors of power.”

According to Jean Drèze, one of the report’s researchers and a prominent Indian policymaker, India now finds itself in an adult-literacy peer group that includes Afghanistan, Papua New Guinea and Yemen.

The ratio of students to teachers in Indian primary schools was three times higher than in China, with a typical class in Bihar, one of the poorest states, having as many as 92 pupils.

“After 20 years of meteoric economic growth, there’s been so little improvement in terms of the living standards of the people,” Mr Drèze said. “There’s a very serious crisis. We have to wake up to the fact that we are relying too heavily on economic growth.”

There are 5.5m teachers in India, but at least 1.2m more are required. “The reason there aren’t any teachers in school is because states have not recruited them for many years,” said Kapil Sibal, minister of Human Resources Development.

The report’s authors said that it had taken years to analyse and verify data collected in states such as Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh and Bihar. One team member, A.K. Shiva Kumar, said that he and his colleagues had also reviewed educational data for the 2009-2010 year and found them to be “identical” to those of 2006.

The UN Development Programme’s Human Development Report for 2010 said Indians received just 4.4 years of schooling on average, compared with 7.5 years for China’s citizens. Sri Lanka outscores both with 8.2 years of schooling and is on par with China’s 99 per cent literacy rate for young female adults.

“Most developing countries are talking of [offering their children] 10 years of schooling,” said Mr Kumar, who is also a development economist and advises Unicef, the UN’s child welfare agency. “Here there’s lots of focus on growth rates but we are not looking at how India gets to 10 years of schooling.”

Meera Samson, a researcher at the Delhi-based Collaborative Research and Dissemination and report co-author, said head teachers had not been appointed at 20 per cent of the schools surveyed. At another 12 per cent of schools, only one teacher had been offered a position.

Last year, India’s parliament passed legislation requiring the state to provide universal education.

India’s fast growth fails to lift primary education - FT.com
 
There is monumental difference in Public vs Private education in India, even small town which I grew up had good schools. I do not know if PISA has taken in to account the Private schools. If you walk into the halls of US Universities including the Ivy Leagues the number of Indian post-grad students is staggering.

If Silicon Valley is to be taken as a case, there are good number of Indians in start-up and venture-business.

Not to say there are gaping holes in Indian education, if Chinese education is the rock-star and Indian education is krygztan level, I do not understand how and why one would find Indians in some of the prestigious institutions and companies in Tech, Medical and Financial industries.
 
Sixty-four economies originally participated in PISA 2009. Ten additional partner participants, who were unable to participate within the PISA 2009 project timeframe, participated in the PISA 2009 study on a reduced and delayed timeline in 2010. This is known as the PISA 2009+ project.

The report shows the results for all 74 nations. China ranks at the top in #1 spot and India second last at #73.

https://mypisa.acer.edu.au/images/mypisadoc/acer_pisa 2009+ international.pdf

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Haq's Musings: PISA & TIMSS Confirm Low Quality of Indian Education


Surely ISI is involved in ranking...:D
 
I don't know from where riaz haq gets his data? :rolleyes: Riaz haq says pakistan have shown best performance in the education sector in whole of south asia. :woot: :rofl:

But the facts are otherwise:

India = 74.04 % (Govt. of India)

Pakistan = 49.9 % (Source: CIA - The world fact book)

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Sixty-four economies originally participated in PISA 2009. Ten additional partner participants, who were unable to participate within the PISA 2009 project timeframe, participated in the PISA 2009 study on a reduced and delayed timeline in 2010. This is known as the PISA 2009+ project.

The report shows the results for all 74 nations. China ranks at the top in #1 spot and India second last at #73.

https://mypisa.acer.edu.au/images/mypisadoc/acer_pisa 2009+ international.pdf

PISA%2BIndia%2BBottom.jpg


Haq's Musings: PISA & TIMSS Confirm Low Quality of Indian Education

Surely ISI is involved in ranking...:D


Its just a random ranking and India have not participated in it.

How can you judged in something we have not participated?????? :rofl: :rofl:
 
Surely ISI is involved in ranking...:D

Go through the chart yourself and you will know how this data is irrelevant, because you can't measure China only with a single city Shanghai and India with two states (TN & Himachal), also we all know that in India most of government run schools are of poor standard, and India's achievement in education is mostly because of the private education institution. But even in the government run education establishments there are exception and the best one is Indian IIT which has given great business leaders and one third of the start-up companies in US silicon valley have a hand of an IIT alumni.

Below is a video made some 9 years back on Indian IIT by US News agency...

 
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I don't know from where riaz haq gets his data? :rolleyes: Riaz haq says pakistan have shown best performance in the education sector in whole of south asia. :woot: :rofl:

But the facts are otherwise:

India = 74.04 % (Govt. of India)

Pakistan = 49.9 % (Source: CIA - The world fact book)

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Its just a random ranking and India have not participated in it.

How can you judged in something we have not participated?????? :rofl: :rofl:

u dont consider tamil nado & himachal pardesh ur territory?
 
u dont consider tamil nado & himachal pardesh ur territory?

What will you call it when a one or two random school from Baluchistan participated in some random survey/ranking??????

Will you consider it as the testament for the quality of education in the whole of pakistan???????????????

There are hundred thousands of schools in India and its not our official entry or ranking of all the schools.
 
There is monumental difference in Public vs Private education in India, even small town which I grew up had good schools. I do not know if PISA has taken in to account the Private schools. If you walk into the halls of US Universities including the Ivy Leagues the number of Indian post-grad students is staggering.

If Silicon Valley is to be taken as a case, there are good number of Indians in start-up and venture-business.

Not to say there are gaping holes in Indian education, if Chinese education is the rock-star and Indian education is krygztan level, I do not understand how and why one would find Indians in some of the prestigious institutions and companies in Tech, Medical and Financial industries.

Because at least half of those Indians are Indian Americans that never spent a day in the Indian school systen. DUH.

And studies have shown private primary education in India in very bad too. The Silicon valley thing may be true, but SV doesn't even represent the Bay Area. The Ivy League thing, mine had way more Chinese from China and SE Asia diaspora than Indians from India. Way more. For example, Singapore basically only sent ethnic Chinese and Singapore government paid their tuition
 
u dont consider tamil nado & himachal pardesh ur territory?

Can you measure a whole country by taking survey in one city I.E Shanghai or Mumbai, and by the way metro cites will always perform better in any index of development...

Also same way in this chart you have quoted the Shanghai survey and comparing it with the entire Tamil Nadu and Himachal Pradesh survey, how you can compare any survey like this...It should be either country wise or city wise...
 
State of Education in Pakistan

Hussain Mohi-ud-Din Qadri

Pakistan’s education system has failed to equip the youth with the skills necessary for the development of a modern state, society and economy. The government-run schools and colleges educate the vast majority of children. But their performance compared to the private sector educational institutions is rather poor. Since education is a provincial subject after the passage of the 18th Constitutional Amendment, it is yet to be seen whether the provinces have the capacity and necessary resources to manage education in a satisfactory manner.

A quick look at the state of education is in order here below: Pakistan is falling significantly short of its constitutional obligation to provide universal primary education. And while the demand for education remains high, poorer families will only send their children to a school system that is relevant to their everyday lives and economic necessities. The failure of the public school system to deliver such education is contributing to the madaris boom as it is to school dropout rates, child labor, delinquency and Crime.


Public school students are restricted to an outdated syllabus and are unable to compete in an increasingly competitive job market against the products of upper class private schools that teach in English, follow a different curriculum and have a fee structure that is unaffordable to most families. The involvement of politics in the education sector created a lot of problems due to the injection of political appointments. This further damaged public education. Many educators, once ensconced as full time civil servants, rise through the system despite having little if any interest and experience in teaching. The widespread phenomenon of non-functional, even non- existent “ghost” schools and teachers that exist only on paper but eat into a limited budget is an indication of the level of corruption in this sector. Provincial education departments have insufficient resources and personnel to monitor effectively and clamp down on rampant bribery and manipulation at the local level.

The public school system’s deteriorating infrastructure, falling educational on Pakistan’s poor, thus widening the linguistic, social and economic divisions between the privileged and underprivileged and increasing ethnic and religious alienation that has led to violent protests. Far from curtailing extremism, the public school system risks provoking an upsurge of violence if its problems are not quickly and comprehensively addressed.

Private Education Sector is totally commercial-based and the educationists emphasize on the maximizing of profit instead of educating the nation. That’s why the whole private school system, colleges and universities are far away from the reach of general public.

As a result, today nearly 50 million Pakistanis, half the adult population, cannot even read or write.

Female literacy rate is approximately 42 percent which is much lower than male literacy; approximately 65 percent.

This disparity is more pronounced in rural areas, where only 31 percent of women are claimed to be literate.

We may easily find that some of the major factors that keep children uneducated are limited access to education, teacher absenteeism, low quality of education, poverty, corporal punishment and a high student-to- teacher ratio.


Pakistan’s literacy rate is substantially lower than that of many developing nations; only about a fourth of all adults are literate. A significant percentage of those who are literate, however, have not had any formal education. Educational levels for women are much lower than those for men. The share of females in educational levels progressively diminishes above the primary school level. Presently, access to school education is inadequate and there are also gender and rural-urban imbalances, both in the availability and quality of education.

Education remains inequitably distributed among the various regions and income groups in the country. Literacy and participation rates are lower than those of other countries with similar levels of economic development. The target of minimum essential requirement for quality education has not yet been achieved. There are shortages of trained and qualified teachers, especially females. Educational Institutions also lack proper physical infrastructure, and on the other hand some are sub-optimally utilized. Teachers lack training, dedication, motivation and interest in their profession. Curricula, too, are mostly non-relevant to the present day requirements. I would suggest a public-private collaboration to improve the standard of education in the country in addition to making education accessible to people belonging to far flung areas. This collaboration would not only bring in uniformity of structures, curriculum and affordability of fees but also generate enough incomes for both sectors.

At present, the Technical-Vocational Education (TVE) facilities are highly inadequate and there is a dire need to broaden the base of TVE. In order to implement the concept of integration of skill development with the general stream of education, technical stream should be introduced at secondary school level, parallel to science and arts group. To implement this concept, the following steps may be taken:

Introduction of Technical stream in existing high schools. Establishment of Model Technical High Schools. Translation of Technical Syllabus in Native (Urdu) Language. In order to improve the education situation in the country a comprehensive educational revolution is required. We have to analyze the current education system in detail and should address the problems in very adequate, progressive and professional manner.

Education budget may be increased to 3 fold immediately. It should be targeted to be 6% of GNP till 2011. New educational institutions should be launched at all of the primary, secondary and higher education levels. Private sector should also be encouraged to Invest in the education field.

Education structure needs to be up-graded and redesigned according to the needs, and requirements of the nation and the country.

State of Education in Pakistan

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Poor schooling slows anti-terrorism effort in Pakistan

ISLAMABAD, PAKISTAN -- With a curriculum that glorifies violence in the name of Islam and ignores basic history, science and math, Pakistan's public education system has become a major barrier to U.S. efforts to defeat extremist groups here, U.S. and Pakistani officials say.

The Washington Post

Poor schooling slows anti-terrorism effort in Pakistan
 
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