Insurgent & Secessionist movements in India

[surya kiran]

1. Maratha empire? There was none. The Peshwas at Pune never got to unite the Scindias, Gaekwads, Bhonsles and others. Though called the Maratha Confederacy it wasn't even that. That continued till the great Afghan general Amhad Shah Abdali destroyed them once for all.

2. Marathas were never anything better than marauders / dacoits. That includes Chhatrapati Shivaji Mahraj. In Bengal we taught them a lesson under Alivardi Khan so that Vashkar Pandit never dared to commit further robberies in Bengal - Bihar - Orissa.


3. Sikhs are not Hindus although you have unilaterally declared them such in your Constitution. And it was only Ranjit Singh who ruled over Punjab, parts of Kashmir and Frontier including Peshawar. Only Buddhists can claim to have some empire extending over most of SA. Hindus, being unused and uncomfortable as leaders, never ever had any empire whatsoever save and except few small kingdoms here and there from time to time.

4. Rajputs are the only ruling class among non-Muslims of SA. They are honorable people, straight forward and good soldiers. That is why we Muslims always considered them our allies. Prithvi Raj Chauhan was a man of honor and a brave general. In 1192 he was defeated and killed in the 2nd Battle of Tarai against Mohammad Ghori, a soldiers' soldier. By 1201 Bengal was under the hoof of the Muslim cavalry.

5. Obviously history wasn't one of your strong points. It is best to check records before coming down heavily on some one who can teach you history hands down.

My friend history is not your strong point.

And stop farting with Indians about Indian history. After the death of the Aurangazeb, the Mughals could not stand up to the Marathas. if you do not have proof from scholarly works to quote, stop making a fool of yourself. Come back with maps, dates and the lineage of the Peshwas, because, we can throw all of that at you and more. And do you think the Mughals did not have smaller fiefdoms within them?

For your Kindergarten lesson go here Maratha Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia For PhD, I will refer more books to you. Dude you are debating with people on this forum who have studied these topics for more than 5 years as part of their syllabus. So please please stop making a fool of yourself.

 

[EzioAltaïr]

1. Maratha empire? There was none. The Peshwas at Pune never got to unite the Scindias, Gaekwads, Bhonsles and others. Though called the Maratha Confederacy it wasn't even that. That continued till the great Afghan general Amhad Shah Abdali destroyed them once for all.

Shivaji and his sons and grandsons, and daughter in-laws weren't Peshwas. They were Chhatrapatis and ruled most of India (after Shivaji's time, and the war of 27 years).

Even the confederacy stood united for a long time, until 1761, where the attack from Ahmad Shah Abdali destabilised them. Obviously, you have no knowledge of real history, so I suggest you read some and come.

2. Marathas were never anything better than marauders / dacoits. That includes Chhatrapati Shivaji Mahraj. In Bengal we taught them a lesson under Alivardi Khan so that Vashkar Pandit never dared to commit further robberies in Bengal - Bihar - Orissa.

Dacoits that fought against an emperor, and massacred a 300,000 strong army with a 27,000 strong one? Accept it, you're just too ashamed to accept it. And how do Bengalis factor into this? Please enlighten me, the article on wiki is really poorly written. It could have been written by a 5 year old for all you know. Any elaboration?

4. Rajputs are the only ruling class among non-Muslims of SA. They are honorable people, straight forward and good soldiers. That is why we Muslims always considered them our allies. Prithvi Raj Chauhan was a man of honor and a brave general. In 1192 he was defeated and killed in the 2nd Battle of Tarai against Mohammad Ghori, a soldiers' soldier. By 1201 Bengal was under the hoof of the Muslim cavalry.

Many of the Rajputs chose to serve under Akbar after marrying one of his daughters, and thus, I honestly believe they are just overrated. There were the bunch that fought (and lost) and they are the only ones I call brave.

5. Obviously history wasn't one of your strong points. It is best to check records before coming down heavily on some one who can teach you history hands down.

Says the guy who thinks that dacoits defeated the biggest empire of the time?

 

[ajtr]

One killed in grenade blast in Assam

A teenaged boy was killed and another injured when suspected militants on Monday lobbed a hand grenade near the north gate of Udalguri railway station in Assam, 71 kilometres north of Guwahati, police said.

The blast that took place at around 6.30 pm. Two persons, including the 14-year old boy, were injured. He succumbed to injuries on the way to hospital.

Security forces have cordoned off the entire area. So far no militant outfit has claimed responsibility for the attack.

(With PTI inputs)

 

[LURKER]

Shivaji and his sons and grandsons, and daughter in-laws weren't Peshwas. They were Chhatrapatis and ruled most of India (after Shivaji's time, and the war of 27 years).

Even the confederacy stood united for a long time, until 1761, where the attack from Ahmad Shah Abdali destabilised them. Obviously, you have no knowledge of real history, so I suggest you read some and come.



Dacoits that fought against an emperor, and massacred a 300,000 strong army with a 27,000 strong one? Accept it, you're just too ashamed to accept it. And how do Bengalis factor into this? Please enlighten me, the article on wiki is really poorly written. It could have been written by a 5 year old for all you know. Any elaboration?




Many of the Rajputs chose to serve under Akbar after marrying one of his daughters, and thus, I honestly believe they are just overrated. There were the bunch that fought (and lost) and they are the only ones I call brave.



Says the guy who thinks that dacoits defeated the biggest empire of the time?

marathas lost against abdali because Indian muslims rulers (awadh,rohillas, etc) allied with abdali against the marathas. even marathas themselves were not united at that time as was during shivaji's time.

calling marathas mere dacoits show this guy asad71's lack of knowledge. it was the marathas who re-instated the mughal emperor to the throne of delhi. the brits could defeat them by allying with one faction of marathas against the other and ultimately usurping their entire kingdom. like rajputs their lack of unity was the reason for their downfall.

 

[Saleem]

solution is simple ----bharat should end occupation and genocide of native populations.....\

 

[LURKER]

solution is simple ----bharat should end occupation and genocide of native populations.....\

do what you preach

hint : balochistan

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Bomb explodes at hospital gate in Manipur

Imphal: At least four persons were injured when a powerful bomb planted at the gate of a hospital in Manipur's Imphal East district exploded, official sources said.

The bomb planted at the main gate of the Babina Clinic Hospital near the Porompat Jawaharlal Nehru Institute of Medical Science Hospital went off at 5.20 pm, the sources said.

The injured persons were admitted to the JNIMS hospital.

PTI

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STAFF WRITER 20:31 HRS IST
Dibrugarh (Assam), (PTI) A police informer was killed and a police officer injured during an encounter between security forces and ULFA militants in upper Assam's Dibrugarh district this afternoon.

Acting on a tip-off about presence of three ULFA militants, soldiers from Army's 5 J&K Light Infantry and police personnel cordoned off Nazirapuriya village near Khowang town at around 2.30 pm, official sources said.

As the forces advanced on the village, the ULFA militants fired from a house.

 

[Sashan]

UAV-generated images now ‘routinely’ obtained in Maoist areas

For a very clear picture of the training centres, movement of the insurgents and camp’s location

The country’s premier scientific intelligence agency, National Technical Research Organisation (NTRO), is ‘routinely’ processing data generated by Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV) from Maoist-controlled areas and sending those to the Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) headquarters here, both police and paramilitary sources confirmed.

NTRO’s main station in Hyderabad is receiving the satellite images and other data, including audio, and sending those to the CRPF over the last few months. Field level commanders of the CRPF are instructed on the basis of the information gathered from the UAVs.

Scepticism

While the process ‘to regularise’ the gathering of information using UAVs, parallel to human intelligence, started about a year back, the killing of tribals in Bijapur in late June has expedited the process.

“Now we can get a very clear picture of the training centres, movement of the insurgents and camp’s location,” said a senior officer. However, there is scepticism at the local level over the NTRO’s information gathering system.

About a dozen UAVs, with flying stations in Hyderabad, are now operating in south Chhattisgarh’s Bastar area. The UAVs capture the movement of the rebels on ground and pass the satellite data to the NTRO. The images are passed almost in real time to the CRPF’s field commanders. Some of the CRPF’s signal officers are trained by the NTRO to read the satellite generated data, sources informed.

The previous Director General of Chhattisgarh Police, Viswaranjan, said that during his tenure a few years ago 10 UAVs of the Indian Air Force were used to monitor the area. “We got good input even from Abuj Marh but the ground force was not equipped enough for operation on the basis of available data. Eventually the Air Force withdrew the UAVs. Now the ground force is better equipped to act on the basis of the satellite images,” he said. The officers have not divulged whether any operation has been carried out on the basis of the data generated by the UAVs so far. There is a Global Positioning System also in place now to track the movement of the CRPF personnel in the forest.

However, the Chhattisgarh police are sceptical about the ‘effectiveness’ of the UAV-generated information. One of the top officials told The Hindu that it was difficult to act on the basis of the satellite images. “Receiving images does not mean we can act. We have to check the logistics at the ground level. This system is still not capable of replacing the human intelligence at the ground level,” the officer said. However, the human intelligence and UAV generated images can be ‘slowly integrated to get the best results,’ the officer said.


The Hindu : News / National : UAV-generated images now

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

I paid ULFA extortion money: Minister - India - DNA

An Assam minister has been under vitriolic attacks from his own party and the Opposition after his public admission about paying money to banned United Liberation Front of Assam (ULFA).

The state’s water resources minister, Rajib Lochan Pegu, admitted at a public meeting in Majuli that many Congressmen in the island were forced to pay the militant group out of fear. “Even I had to pay them up. I did this out of fear,” said Pegu.

It is not new that a section of the lawmakers and political parties in the region allegedly often pay the myriad militant groups out of fear. In this case, the minister may have spoken the truth but it has not gone down well.

An angry chief minister Tarun Gogoi said a minister uttering such words did not deserve to be a minister. “I don’t know what exactly he had said. But if he indeed said so, he did a wrong and doesn’t deserve to be a minister,” Gogoi told journalists. His comments assume significance given a possible cabinet reshuffle. It is speculated that the minister would be dropped.

Opposition party Asom Gana Parishad also took strong exception to the minister’s assertion.

“We demand legal action against the minister after his public admission about paying money to a terror organisation,” a spokesperson of the party said.

The BJP said it was evident from the minister’s comments that the Congress in the state was hand in glove with the militants.

“If innocent people could be tortured and jailed for offering food and giving shelter to militants, why is action not being taken against the minister,” BJP leader Sarbananda Sonowal asked.

The Assam Public Works, an NGO, asked the government to prove its sincerity by taking action against the minister. “It is established once more that Congress grabs power by paying up the Ulfa and taking its help,” APW leader Abhijit Sarma said.

 

[jandk]

1. Maratha empire? There was none. The Peshwas at Pune never got to unite the Scindias, Gaekwads, Bhonsles and others. Though called the Maratha Confederacy it wasn't even that. That continued till the great Afghan general Amhad Shah Abdali destroyed them once for all.

2. Marathas were never anything better than marauders / dacoits. That includes Chhatrapati Shivaji Mahraj. In Bengal we taught them a lesson under Alivardi Khan so that Vashkar Pandit never dared to commit further robberies in Bengal - Bihar - Orissa.

3. Sikhs are not Hindus although you have unilaterally declared them such in your Constitution. And it was only Ranjit Singh who ruled over Punjab, parts of Kashmir and Frontier including Peshawar. Only Buddhists can claim to have some empire extending over most of SA. Hindus, being unused and uncomfortable as leaders, never ever had any empire whatsoever save and except few small kingdoms here and there from time to time.

4. Rajputs are the only ruling class among non-Muslims of SA. They are honorable people, straight forward and good soldiers. That is why we Muslims always considered them our allies. Prithvi Raj Chauhan was a man of honor and a brave general. In 1192 he was defeated and killed in the 2nd Battle of Tarai against Mohammad Ghori, a soldiers' soldier. By 1201 Bengal was under the hoof of the Muslim cavalry.

5. Obviously history wasn't one of your strong points. It is best to check records before coming down heavily on some one who can teach you history hands down.

Regarding point no.3. It was hindu DOGRA RAJPUTS who ruled the state of Jammu and Kashmir and conquered Ladakh, Gilgit-Baltistan, Chitral, potohar region, kashmir etc. The dogra rajputs were not sikhs. I would know. I am a dogra

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Two CISF jawans killed in naxal attack in Chhattisgarh - The Times of India

RAIPUR: Two CISF personnel were killed on Sunday in an attack by alleged naxals in Dantewada district of Chhattisgarh, police said.

Dantewada SP Narendra Khare told PTI that naxals attacked Central Industrial Security Force (CISF) personnel deployed at the mines of National Mining Development Corporation in Akash Nagar area of the district this morning.

Khare said naxals, disguised as locals waiting for bus, attacked the CISF team near the check post in Akash Nagar.

While a jawan died on the spot, a constable was critically injured and succumbed at the hospital in Bacheli.

The ultras then fled taking away an AK-47 and an Insas rifle from the spot.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Three injured in Manipur blast | Siasat

Imphal, November 07:

At least three persons were injured when a bomb, planted by suspected militants to attack security personnel, exploded in Ghari Lamkhai area in Imphal west district of Manipur today.

The bomb went off at around 10 AM injuring three passers-by by its splinters. They were immediately taken to a nearby private hospital where their condition was stated to be out of danger.

According to preliminary police report, the bomb might have been planted in the wee hours by suspected militants to attack security personnel who used to pass through the area regularly.

Police and paramilitary forces surrounded the area minutes after the blast and launched search operation after blocking all exit points but no arrest is made so far. It is not yet known whether the militants used remote-controlled device or timer to explode it. No individual or group has claimed responsibility so far.

--PTI

Maoists abduct, kill ASI in Chhattisgarh - The Times of India

RAIPUR: Maoist killed an assistant sub-inspector of police hours after abducting him from Chhattisgarh's Bijapur district on Tuesday evening.

ASI Nilesh Pandey, in his early thirties, was abducted while he was travelling on a bus from Bijapur to Farsegarh. His bullet-ridden body was found in a forest on Wednesday.

Earlier, the state police neither confirmed nor denied reports about his abduction, apparently because of President Pranab Mukherjee's visit to tribal Bastar region to attend a function at the Ramakrishna Mission Ashram there to mark Swami Vivekananda's 150th birth anniversary.

"The ASI's body was brought to Jagdalpur from where it has been sent to his home town in Bilaspur by helicopter. His family members, who were in Jagdalpur, went to Bilaspur by road as his wife has not been informed about the death," Bijapur district superintendent of police Prashant Agarwal said.

Maoists had given a call for the boycott of the President's visit to Narayanpur to protest deployment of Army in Abujmarh.

The Army has maintained that its presence there was for "training only", but the rebels see it as an attempt to set up a permanent base in the Maoist hotbed of Bastar.

Pandey's killing comes as Chhattisgarh celebrates its 12th statehood anniversary. The state government laid foundation for a state capital city of 'Naya Raipur' and hosted its first Global Investors Meet to attract investment in downstream sectors during the week-long 'Rajyotsav' celebrations.

 

[KRAIT]

Maoists are getting more desperate. They will be killed like dogs as they have been killed by CRPF in the past. R.I.P to the fallen police officer. May God give his family strength.

 

[Sashan]

Maoist terror completely exposed


For the first time on Indian television, the horrors of the Maoists terror camps have been exposed by one of their own leaders. TIMES NOW is in possession of Maoist leader Kudiam Gujja's confessional video, which reveals how children are raped before being inducted into their terror camps. In the video, Gujaa confessed to the child rapes committed by him and other Maoists. In October, the CRPF rescued two girls who were raped and then recruited into the Maoist Bal Sangh.



Maoist terror completely exposed-News-Exclusives-TIMESNOW.tv - Latest Breaking News, Big News Stories, News Videos

 

[Windjammer]

DHANBAD: In a carefully-planned and deftly executed operation, about 100 Maoists, including armed women, ambushed a police van carrying 32 prisoners from Giridih court to the divisional jail on Friday. They freed eight of their comrades and three cops and one prisoner were killed in the attack during which more than two dozen ordinary prisoners escaped.

District SP Amol V Honkar said among those who escaped were two Maoists arrested for the Chilkhari massacre in 2009, when 20 people, including son of the former chief minister Babulal Marandi, were killed by the Maoists during a cultural programme.

On Friday, the attackers first blocked the crowded Giridih-Tundi road near the jail and then chucked bombs at a truck that was just ahead of the prison van. The Maoists then hurled bombs at the van and started firing from AK-47s and SLRs.

The three policemen killed in the attack were identified as assistant sub-inspector Prabhunath Singh, havildar Rajkumar Das and constable Sadanand Gagrai.

Giridih police confirmed the Maoists had looted three rifles from the police escorts. Late in the evening, police claimed that they arrested two rebels from Bengabad for involvement in the attack.

The handcuffs for the prisoners were found hanging at the gate of the vehicle indicating prisoners had got themselves freed during the attack. Police reinforcements rushed to the spot from the district headquarters and found some explosives on the road.

Mohammad Saleh, a witness, claimed the Maoists had assembled at Mahadev Chauk near Dukhiya Mahadev temple well in advance and attacked the truck to block the police van.

The Maoists snatched four motorcycles from the locals to escape with the prisoners. One of the motorcycle owners, Rajendra Tanti, said he had gone to relieve himself on the roadside when the rebels struck. He claimed the Naxalites used AK-47s and SLRs to attack the van. Witnesses told police that the Maoists had also used two SUVs vehicles.

This was the second Maoist attack in Giridih town. In 2005, Maoists attacked the Mohanpur police camp, killing 10 cops and looting 400 rifles.


Maoists ambush Jharkhand jail van, kill 4 and free eight comrades - The Times of India