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Insight - With canal and hut, India stands up to China on disputed frontier

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(Reuters) - Earlier this month, the Indian army, stationed on a remote Himalayan plateau, built a small observation hut from where they could watch Chinese soldiers across a disputed border.

The move so irked China's military that it laid a road on territory claimed by India and demanded that the tin hut be dismantled. India refused, destroyed a part of the new road and promptly raised troop numbers in the area.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi is making good on election promises of a more robust national security policy, and the fact that around 1,000 soldiers from each side are facing off in Ladakh is evidence even mighty China is not off limits.

No shots have been fired, and a brief border war between the world's two most populous nations was fought 52 years ago.

But Indian military officials said the situation in the Chumar area of Ladakh had been unusually tense in recent weeks, highlighting a simmering disagreement between the nuclear-armed neighbours that is back on the agenda at the highest level.

Modi, a nationalist who swept to power in May, was unusually forthright when Chinese President Xi Jinping visited India in mid-September, challenging Xi in private on the question of incursions along their 3,500-km contested frontier.

Afterwards, he told a news conference in the presence of the Chinese leader that peace and stability on the border were needed for better economic ties Beijing has been pressing for.

P. Stobdan, a former Indian ambassador and a Ladakhi with deep knowledge of the competing claims in the region, sees a shift in New Delhi's thinking.

"The hut has become the bone of contention. The Chinese have drawn a red line. They want it demolished before they will withdraw," he said.

Last year, the Chinese forced the Indians to demolish another hut in Chumar in return for ending a face-off.

"This time the new government does not seem to be in a mood to budge," Stobdan added. :agree:



NO LONGER BUSINESS AS USUAL

Beginning in June, as it prepared to receive Xi, Modi's government set in train a series of bold actions on the border where Indian officials say China has long been nibbling away at its territory.

It ordered faster construction of 72 strategic roads along the border to narrow the gap with China's vastly superior and intricate network of roads and tracks in the mountains.

It has also rebuilt airfields, including a landing strip laid in Daulat Beg Oldi in Ladakh in 1962, the year the two countries fought their short war.

Over the past few months C-130 Hercules planes bought from the United States have been landing at the airfield some 30 km from Depsang, the site of a 21-day standoff last year when People's Liberation Army soldiers set up tents on India's side of the 1962 ceasefire line.

V.K. Singh, minister for the northeastern states, another area where the border is in dispute with China, says it is no longer business as usual on the so-called Line of Actual Control (LAC) dividing the two countries.

Incursions from both sides are common along the ceasefire line, because their armies cannot agree where it lies, making a final settlement a distant prospect.

"Sometimes (in the past), I think for political reasons or other reasons, we would have said OK, leave it. But that perpetuates the problem, it doesn't solve the problem," said Singh, a former army chief handpicked to beef up civilian and military infrastructure in the northeast.

"You keep giving a concession, it only perpetuates the problem. So somewhere up the hierarchy someone has to say 'let's hold on'," he told Reuters in an interview about the latest confrontation with China.

India was humiliated in the 1962 war and, since then, while it has built up its conventional military and nuclear and missile capabilities, it has been careful to avoid showdowns at the border, which, despite 17 rounds of talks over two decades, remains unsettled.

Hu Zhiyong, a research fellow with the Institute of International Relations at the Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences, told China's state-run Global Times that the Modi government's moves to build up infrastructure and equipment on the Indian side of the LAC signalled a shift in posture.

"The 'offensive' strategy aims to gain more leverage in the talks," Hu told the fiercely nationalist newspaper.



HIGH-ALTITUDE HUT

The chain of events leading to the latest tensions began in Demchok, on the southeastern corner of Ladakh. On August 18, India started building an irrigation canal there as part of the government's rural jobs guarantee programme.

China protested, saying it was located inside its territory.

Then, on September 8, Indian troops erected their observation hut on a hillock in Chumar, one of the areas along the LAC where India has the tactical advantage of height.

Retired Indian army brigadier Gurmeet Kanwal, who has served in high-altitude areas, said India's position there overlooks Chinese encampments and a dirt road leading up to the area.

Beijing's response was swift. Within a day, some 500 PLA troops crossed into the area and used cranes and bulldozers to build a 2 km (1.2-mile) road.

Later that night, Indian soldiers dug up part of that road, but the Chinese have not withdrawn from the area, which New Delhi considers to be several kilometres inside its territory.

Around 1,000 soldiers from each side are ranged against each other, and further to the east, a group of Chinese civilians backed by the PLA intruded into the Demchok sector where India was trying to build the irrigation canal, Indian officials said.

China's public comments on the latest row with India have been measured.

"The China-India border dispute is a left-over from history. The two countries' border, to this day, has not been designated, and the two sides' understanding of the real line of control is not the same," the Defence Ministry said, adding that both New Delhi and Beijing were resolved to manage the problem.



A CIVILISED CUP OF TEA

India says China violated the ceasefire line 334 times in the first eight months of this year. Chinese officials with Xi on his visit last week said India had violated the LAC 410 times, according to an Indian government official at the talks.

Border patrols have become more frequent and probing deeper into each other's territories, officials say, often running into each other. Earlier, the two armies sent out patrols on alternating days along the most contentious areas of the border so that their troops wouldn't come into contact.

"If there is a border patrol that crosses the LAC as perceived by the other side, they are supposed to offer them a cup of tea and ask them to leave immediately. The idea is it should be civilised behaviour. At times this civilised behaviour has spun out of control with soldiers roughing each other up," said an Indian officer at the army headquarters in New Delhi.

But the head of Ladakh's local government said India had neglected the border area for decades to its own and local people's detriment. Only now was it starting to plug the gaps, he added, and that had provoked the Chinese.

"We have lost so much pasture land, grazing land over a period of time to China," said Rigzin Spalbar, chief executive councillor of the Ladakh Autonomous Hill Development Council.

"We told our people not to go close to the LAC, the area was left vacant and the Chinese sent their herders in. Now those areas have become their possessions." :hitwall:



(Additional reporting by Frank Jack Daniel in New Delhi and Megha Rajagopalan in Beijing; Editing by Mike Collett-White and John Chalmers)

Insight - With canal and hut, India stands up to China on disputed frontier| Reuters


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So now we know the reason.. It all started when the Indian Army built a hut, then PLA countered with a road and Indian Army retaliated by demolishing it. :lol: PLA then brought in the civilians and other comrades to scare India off. India didnot budge and PLA requested for a flag meet. :lol::lol:
 
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China mistaken modi for Manmohan. Now they regret it and requesting flag meeting lol.

Modi to xi ping pong - goli nahi marenge... Teri keh ke lenge :ROLF:
 
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Hahahahaha positive frequency on india doing wonders. India america japan (best democrasy) is the FUTURE. Communist nation born to suffer and dissapear. God created rules such a way that communist nation always been eaten by democrasy. By the way i bet china now will try to turn into a fake democrasy to fool people. EGO eats up a nation. Too much Ego china stack up in it DNA that they born to burst away.
 
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"The hut has become the bone of contention. The Chinese have drawn a red line. They want it demolished before they will withdraw," he said.

Last year, the Chinese forced the Indians to demolish another hut in Chumar in return for ending a face-off.

"This time the new government does not seem to be in a mood to budge," Stobdan added. :agree:
Good! Exactly the same kind of self-delusion and boasting we saw just before 1962! Nehru was advised PLA could not mobilize in Tibet without six month's effort so he was humiliated. Modi is advised PLA cannot bring to Chumar our light mountain tank, combat helicopters and rocket artillery, now he will be humiliated too!

Beating the Indians into retreat at Demchok sector was only the beginning. Now we are building an airstrip and helicopters pad in Chumar so the Indian army has no choice but to attack us or lose face utterly humiliated.

Finally, PLA can unleash all our newest weapons on a weak nation pretending to be a strong one.
 
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Good! Exactly the same kind of self-delusion and boasting we saw just before 1962! Nehru was advised PLA could not assemble without six month's effort so he was humiliated. Modi is advised PLA cannot bring in our light mountain tank, combat helicopters and rocket artillery, now he will be humiliated too!

Beating the Indians into retreat at Demchok sector was only the beginning. Now we are building an airstrip and helicopters pad in Chumar so the Indian army has no choice but to attack us or lose face utterly humiliated.

Finally, PLA can unleash all our newest weapons on a weak nation pretending to be a strong one.
:smitten::smitten::smitten:
 
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India was humiliated in the 1962 war and, since then, while it has built up its conventional military and nuclear and missile capabilities, it has been careful to avoid showdowns at the border, which, despite 17 rounds of talks over two decades, remains unsettled.
Yes! India finally fell into our trap after "strongman" Modi came to power. We waited so long after their 1962 humiliation for another forward policy to showcase our PLA might. Now Indian army is completely encircled but they don't even know it. As soon as their boasting becomes the loudest, that is when PLA strikes and they will quickly fall back in shock: where did the mountain tanks, combat helicopters and rocket artillery come from they will ask?
 
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Tension in the area erupted two weeks back when some Chinese workers, who were constructing a road on their side, crossed into the Indian side and also claimed that they had orders to build a road up to Tible, 5 kms deep inside Indian territory.

Chumar was at the centre of the fortnight-long stand-off last year in Daulat Beg Oldie (DBO) as the Chinese side had objected to overhead bunkers erected by the Indian side.

As part of an agreement reached at the flag meeting to end that impasse in April-May 2013 at DBO, the Indian side had to dismantle some overhead bunkers in the Chumar area.

During winter this year, Chinese soldiers attempted to enter the area on horsebacks. The area has witnessed frequent incursion attempts by Chinese troops.

Meanwhile, Playing down the continuing standoff at the Ladakh border region, China's military today said such incidents are "sometimes inevitable" but the situation is under "effective control" with the joint efforts of the two sides.

"Through the joint efforts of both sides it is under effective control and I hope that with the continued efforts of both sides it can be solved as soon as possible and peace and stability will be maintained at the China-India border," military spokesman Geng Yansheng told a media briefing here.

"I would like to emphasis again that because the China- India border is not demarcated, it is sometimes inevitable that incidents happen. What is important is for both sides to implement agreements signed by both sides to boost mutual understanding and mutual trust and make joint efforts to maintain peace stability in the India-China border region," he said, replying to a number of questions from PTI on why such incidents are taking place.

He said while it is quite natural for some incidents to happen along the border, "this kind of incidents will not change the overall situation of good neighbourliness and friendship between China and India".

The spokesman skipped questions on why the incursion took place coinciding with the visit of top Chinese leaders to India.
i stood by my word, and there comes the final indian victory and china's humiliating defeat

India, China agree to go back to September 10th positions: Reports | Zee News

as for aksai chin, this step is means the process is on.
India capitulated so quickly? I thought Modi was a tough guy? Last year after so much boasting India had to dismantle its outpost in Chumar. Looks like they accepted another humiliation this time once they saw PLA armored vehicles and helicopters bristling with weapons to chew up Indian soldiers.
 
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India capitulated so quickly? I thought Modi was a tough guy? Last year after so much boasting India had to dismantle its outpost in Chumar. Looks like they accepted another humiliation this time once they saw PLA armored vehicles and helicopters bristling with weapons to chew up Indian soldiers.

you will see who actually capitulated, lol, this demand was initially made by india and from tomorrow, it will be chinese troops who will be retreating :lol:
 
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you will see who actually capitulated, lol, this demand was initially made by india and from tomorrow, it will be chinese troops who will be retreating :lol:
India was already humiliated last year when it dismantled its bunker. With new tough guy Modi in charge India should assemble at least 15 battalions to stand up to China. Instead, India followed the same script as last year and agreed to dismantle its new outpost in Chumar because it is afraid of PLA armored vehicles, helicopters and rocket artillery. That is so pathetic. I expected more from shupa-powa India.
 
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Good! Exactly the same kind of self-delusion and boasting we saw just before 1962! Nehru was advised PLA could not mobilize in Tibet without six month's effort so he was humiliated. Modi is advised PLA cannot bring to Chumar our light mountain tank, combat helicopters and rocket artillery, now he will be humiliated too!

Beating the Indians into retreat at Demchok sector was only the beginning. Now we are building an airstrip and helicopters pad in Chumar so the Indian army has no choice but to attack us or lose face utterly humiliated.

Finally, PLA can unleash all our newest weapons on a weak nation pretending to be a strong one.
India should "reward" China by revising its nuclear doctrine specifically vis-a-vis China and bring these weapons to the table in case of a 62-like (mis)adventure by you folks. Pakistan has learnt its lessons but still needs some spanking now and then to keep in check. You are in the same league as Pak!!!
 
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India should "reward" China by revising its nuclear doctrine specifically vis-a-vis China and bring these weapons to the table in case of a 62-like (mis)adventure by you folks. Pakistan has learnt its lessons but still needs some spanking now and then to keep in check. You are in the same league as Pak!!!
Yes, that is my preferred solution. India can't even make its own bullet. Chinese thermonuclear warheads can finish off at least 30% of the Indian population (100% of urban areas) in a first strike. To finish off India, we will use bioweapons like air-borne weaponized ebola.
 
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Yes, that is my preferred solution. India can't even make its own bullet. Chinese thermonuclear warheads can finish off at least 30% of the Indian population (100% of urban areas) in a first strike. To finish off India, we will use bioweapons like air-borne weaponized ebola.
Except the whole world thinks China is getting rogue and trying to muscle its way around like a bull in a China shop! If you think you can dominate the whole world you ain't seen US's stick yet. But I have a feeling you are itching for that and may your wish be fulfilled :smitten:Soon
 
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Except the whole world thinks China is getting rogue and trying to muscle its way around like a bull in a China shop! If you think you can dominate the whole world you ain't seen US's stick yet. But I have a feeling you are itching for that and may your wish be fulfilled :smitten:Soon
Only weak countries like India are afraid of USA like your cowardice in 1971. But China already spanked USA in 1950 and Mao even mocked them as a "paper tiger." India can be USA's cannon fodder though. It would be win-win situation for both sides when PLA massacres Indian army to gain more combat experience.
 
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Only weak countries like India are afraid of USA like your cowardice in 1971. But China already spanked USA in 1950 and Mao even mocked them as a "paper tiger." India can be USA's cannon fodder though. It would be win-win situation for both sides when PLA massacres Indian army to gain more combat experience.
Were you hit by a mortar in Nathu La skirmish?
 
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