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Inside French Prisons, A Struggle To Combat Radicalization

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An officer stands at the Fresnes Prison in France in September 2016. Fresnes was the first French prison to separate radicalized inmates from the general prison population.


With 2,500 inmates, the penitentiary institution of Fresnes, about 20 miles south of Paris, is one of the largest prisons in Europe. Like most French prisons, Fresnes is overcrowded. Built in the late 19th century, its tiny cells, each meant for one prisoner, most often house three.

Inmates scream curses and catcalls from their barred windows as I visit a small, empty sports yard ensconced between cell blocks. Plastic bags and punctured soccer balls are caught in the surrounding concertina wire.

The prisoners here yelled out in just this way back in November 2015, refusing to honor a minute of silence for the victims of the terrorist attacks on Paris cafes and the Bataclan concert hall.

Fresnes prison director Philippe Obligis says he began to see a radicalization problem here well before those attacks took place.

"There were some radical Muslims who were putting huge pressure on regular Muslims to adopt a certain kind of behavior," he says. "Like taking a shower with their clothes on and not listening to music or watching TV."

Many of the homegrown terrorists who've launched attacks in recent years in places like Paris and Brussels were radicalized in prison — often while serving jail terms that had nothing to do with terrorism. In France, where a disproportionate number of prison inmates are of Muslim background, authorities are struggling to deal with the phenomenon.

In 2014, Fresnes became the first French prison to separate radicalized inmates from the general prison population — they were put in an entirely separate wing, one person to each cell, and had different guards from the other prisoners.

After 2015, which began with the January attacks at the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo and a Kosher supermarket, and ended with the Bataclan attack in November, some other French prisons began separating inmates too. Several of the terrorists who killed nearly 150 people that year were common criminals who had become radicalized in prison.

In 2016, the French government put money into a rehabilitation program for radicals deemed not too far gone. The prisoners in these new anti-radicalization units received visits from psychologists and historians; they had the chance to attend some workshops or receive some training.

The radical units were controversial, especially after two guards at one prison were attacked in September of last year. In November, the French interior minister announced an end to the program.

Instead, the French government boosted security around the most dangerous prisoners — both radicals and not. And intelligence collecting in prisons was beefed up. A bureau of central intelligence for prisons was created earlier this year.

Around 350 French prisoners are serving jail terms for terrorist-related offenses. And a further 1,340 inmates convicted of regular crimes are identified as radicalized.

"They'll contaminate the others"

Businessman Pierre Botton went to jail for white collar crime in the 1990s and founded Together Against Recidivism, an organization devoted to improving the lives of prisoners. He says it's nearly impossible to think about reforming in jail because prisoners are mainly just struggling to survive.

He believes radicals should be separated in different prisons entirely, because otherwise, they'll inevitably interact with the rest of the prison population. He notes what happened when the only surviving terrorist from the Paris Bataclan attacks landed in a French jail last year.

"When Salah Abdeslam arrived, they clapped," says Botton. "Do you understand what I'm saying? When he arrived in the jail, they clapped. They applauded."

Botton says criminals like Abdeslam are icons in jails in the Paris region, where up to 70 percent of inmates identify as Muslim. Keeping records on the religion and ethnicity of French citizens is illegal, so there are no official statistics. But Botton says about 70 percent of prisoners in the Paris region observe the Muslim festival of Ramadan.

"So when you put guys like this who represent a certain ideology in the heart of a prison, surrounded by 4,000 inmates, there's a huge risk they'll contaminate the others," he says.

Yannis Warrach, a Muslim cleric who works in his spare time at a top-security prison in Normandy, says prison is so brutal, inmates can only survive if they're part of a gang. He has seen how the radicals recruit newcomers.

"The ones who preach and proselytize will at first be nice to a detainee. They see his desperation," he says. "They'll befriend him, give him what he needs. Then they'll say it's destiny. They'll say that God has a mission for him. And little by little, they brainwash him, telling him French society has rejected him, he can't get a job because of his Arab last name, and he was always put in the worst classes at school.

"The problem is," says Warrach, "it's often true."

Warrach says these young men must have hope for a different future to break out of the spiral of failure. He says French leaders have failed to change the socioeconomic factors that keep many French people of Muslim descent on the bottom rungs of the ladder.

Another big problem, he says, is the prevalence of hard-line, Salafist reading material in jails — often French translations of Saudi, Wahhabist tracts that advocate literal, strict interpretation of religious doctrine.

"I work to debunk this stuff," says Warrach. "I give inmates under pressure a historical context of the faith and another narrative of Islam."

He says that because of the pressure from radicals, who consider him an agent of the French government, he has to meet secretly with inmates who desperately want his help. Instead of meeting in rooms designated for religious worship, which are open, they meet in special prison visiting rooms for inmates' lawyers, where no one can observe them.

Because of its strict separation of religion and state, Warrach says France is the only country in Europe where being a prison cleric is not considered a profession. He says he only receives a small stipend, but that he can't build a life around it — there are no retirement plans or other benefits. Because of this, there can't be an imam at the prison every day, which creates a huge void, he says. And it leaves plenty of room for uninformed, extremist interpretations of Islam in French prisons.

 
Some facts about French prisons :

According to latest datas,there were 70,230 inmates in French jails for 58,700 prison places. On average,the occupation rate of French prisons was 120%. It could reach 200% in certain jails.

Muslims,making 5 to 8% of the population represent 70% of the jailed population.

@Nilgiri @Hamartia Antidote @bobo6661 @flamer84
 
Some facts about French prisons :

According to latest datas,there were 70,230 inmates in French jails for 58,700 prison places. On average,the occupation rate of French prisons was 120%. It could reach 200% in certain jails.

Muslims,making 5 to 8% of the population represent 70% of the jailed population.

@Nilgiri @Hamartia Antidote @bobo6661 @flamer84

I don't see any different option then separating them...
 
Some facts about French prisons :

According to latest datas,there were 70,230 inmates in French jails for 58,700 prison places. On average,the occupation rate of French prisons was 120%. It could reach 200% in certain jails.

Muslims,making 5 to 8% of the population represent 70% of the jailed population.

@Nilgiri @Hamartia Antidote @bobo6661 @flamer84
Numbers are racist ofcourse.
 
Some facts about French prisons :

According to latest datas,there were 70,230 inmates in French jails for 58,700 prison places. On average,the occupation rate of French prisons was 120%. It could reach 200% in certain jails.

Muslims,making 5 to 8% of the population represent 70% of the jailed population.

@Nilgiri @Hamartia Antidote @bobo6661 @flamer84

Instead of addressing the problem let's find a convenient excuse.
 
I have just come back from France. I am secular to the point that many other Muslims would declare me a "kaffir". I utterly oppose the use of religion in public space. However all to often I find myself defending "Muslims". The reasons are many but top of the list are -

1. Why is it that we insist on using Islamist narrative and tags while at the same time opposing them? In secular culture we should see people as Algerians, Maroccons, Tunisians, Nigerians, Pakistani, Afghans, Chadians, Senegalese, Turks, Egyptians, Malays. We use the term "Muslim" and then uses secular descriptors like Belgians, Germans, Italians, Poles. If you really do oppose Islamism please stop using the language of the Islamists. Next time you get the urge to look at this through the religious prism then use "Muslim" but then also use "Christians" or "Buddhists" etc for rest of the groups in society.

2. There has been marked increase in numbers of Pakistanis in prisons in UK since 2000s and this is well beyond the increase in population. There are various reasons for this but very few are to with religion. Crime is function of class, age demographics, culture and economics.

In France the crime is related to ethnic origin of the population (just like UK) rather then what religion they are from. A Bosnian Muslim's crime profile will be more similiar to a white French Catholic then with a fellow Muslim from Chad.

3. Then we have groups who have axe to grind - they home on to this "Muslim" issue to draw out political capital. In this group are the Indians and Israelis. The former use this to play out the Pak/India rivalry and the latter the Israel/Palestinian standoff.

*Remarkable the most peaceful and on the face of it most crime free town in France that I saw was Beziers which apparently has a far right candidate as mayor. But I did notice the town was prosperous and had a very few "migrants".
 
Some facts about French prisons :

According to latest datas,there were 70,230 inmates in French jails for 58,700 prison places. On average,the occupation rate of French prisons was 120%. It could reach 200% in certain jails.

Muslims,making 5 to 8% of the population represent 70% of the jailed population.

@Nilgiri @Hamartia Antidote @bobo6661 @flamer84

That completely dwarfs the African-American percentage of 12% of the population having ~40% of the prison population.

Definitely there are problems with people being indoctrinated into groups while in prison. Usually it is organized multi-state gangs. If you don't join your life in prison will be rough.

The Nation of Islam (it's really a cult) is very active in recruiting black Americans who are in jail. However we'll happily take that any day over some street gang.
 
Looking at it through the secular scope this is how it pans out [below] in UK. Notice the prison populations. Of course it does not 'help' the self declared Muslims to go and convert half the Black population inside the prisons - who are easily susceptible because coming from broken familes or lacking strong cultural identity. This then feeds into bloated figures for number of Muslims in prisons. In addition these are convicts and when they leave prisons most will not go onto practice as consultant cardiologists at the local hospital. They will go on to feed the crime wave like the murderers of Lee Rigby.


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However we'll happily take that any day over some street gang.
Surprised. Why?
 
For a better understanding of crime in UK by ethnic categories see below. For the Yanks "Asian" in UK context means South Asian and NOT East Asians. One thing will become evident very quickly. crime is not a "Islam" problem but is more influenced by ethnic background.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/480250/bulletin.pdf

*On a lighter note my nephew has passed police entance tests and will be on the "beat" with South Yorkshire Constabulary by next January.
 
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