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Eurofighter with TOT?EFT is what I am hearing from defence circles.
The numbers also add up if the 3 billion figure reported is true.
The PM has no plan to build 4th gen fighters, at least not just yet. People read too much into platitudes. She wants to get BAC moving so that they can build something. MRCAs are not tied to BAC in any way.
However with you in that EFT with ToT is a no brainer.
I meant Gripen with ToT.Eurofighter with TOT?
this would be deal of the century.
They can't steal Bangladesh. @Homo Sapiens posted a thread few days ago that was a narration from Indian general during our freedom war.Just to give you an example, why India is risking to challenge powerful China there to hold it while it can actually steal Bangladesh land which is much much weaker than China
Yes right . And that's why Myanmar will act as Chinese land in order to counter USA.'Bay of Bengal is not sterile, US can use Andaman island to attack any logistic ships coming from Myanmar if full scale war happen as India will side to US.
Sure, even Indian army can hold BAF with S-400 deployment.
I wish BD could go for gripen. Reliable plane, but not with AAMRAM. It can have meteor to keep Myanmar SU-30s at bay. But meteor are very expensive.
Plus single engine fighter are cheap to procure, cheap to maintain, and cheap to operate.. Can gripen fire, AAMRAM @Indos ? Also, you cna buy AWACS from Sweden when you have bought Gripen.
I dont know, but maybe Gripen can fire AAMRAM as well. I think Bangladesh can try to ask SAB whether they could try to integrate Gripen with AMRAAM.
Most of the F-7BMs seem to have been retired out of service. As far as I understand, F-7BGIs are very effective planes.F-7MBs need immediate replacement. BG and BGIs will have to stay. They are not bad for point defence.
They can't still Bangladesh. @Homo Sapiens posted a thread few days ago that was a narration from Indian general during our freedom war.
He ( General) explained that how hard was it to cross the Megha river ; he feared that Pakistan army would literally bogged down Indian army.
However if that time Pakistan army ( surrounded by hostile Bengali people) can literally bogged down Indian army , then now how can India move their army to Annex Bangladesh while the armed forces of Bangladesh will be fighting with the support the huge civilians?
Bangladesh is called defence heaven , if India advance with army and want to reach Dhaka they only can use part of west Bengal border .
But look at the map of Bangladesh.
If you move army through this area , Bangladesh armed forces will hold Dhaka at any cost like and will use guerrilla forces to dismantle Indian troops.
Bangladesh armed forces know our land very well ,but India army don't.
Also hostile civilians will working under army guide line to ambush Indian army.
So the result will be, we can literally bogged down the Indian army under marsh.
In a war Military always use a formula that is METT - TC and in Bangladesh everything will be against Indian army if it ever try to advance.
So although it looks easy for Indian to annex Bangladesh ,it's very difficult.
On the other hand if China ever want to wring the Chicken neck ( shiliguri corridor) , then without using Bangladeshi land , they will lose seven sisters.
But Bangladesh isn't going to help India against any battle with China , so if India want to use Bangladeshi land and Bangladesh refuse , the real enmity will start.
Bangladesh then need huge armed forces if it ever need to counter Indian military directly.
So bottom line is Bangladeshi land can be helpful for India like windfall if China want wring the chicken neck to weaken India.
So if Bangladesh don't let India use it's land , then India will try to create a threat so that they can hold their seven sisters.
So strategically Bangladesh is very important.
On the other hand , if Bangladesh choose to join Chinese block , it can act as a hedge. Without using Bangladeshi land , India is even unable to send logistics to the NE India.
Myanmar is not going to aid India too ,since it's actually Chinese extension when military is in power.
Now you equate the things !
Yes right . And that's why Myanmar will act as Chinese land in order to counter USA.
On the other hand Bangladesh will be used as a strong hedge to prevent India and it's ally USA sending logistics to NE India.
If India not stop siding USA , China now can totally make NE isolated form mainland , by wringing chicken neck and blocking the sea root with the hedge Bangladesh.
From where India will send troops to NE?
SEA is blocked by Bangladesh , all Chinese troops will use Myanmar land , so only chicken neck is the way that is already wringed by China.
So who will be in convenient position? USA or China ?
If Bangladesh join in western block , India can easily use the land of Bangladesh when China wrings the chicken neck !
So can't Bangladesh be the decisive fact , if such thing happen in future?
@Indos
Actually we don't have any dispute with Myanmar other than Rohingyas. The land boundary and maritime boundary with Myanmar is fully settled and both country accept that. Now come to St. Martin's Island which you are referring. Actually Myanmar never officially claimed that island or even demanded by any of their govt. officials ever. That island was always part of Bangladesh and internationally recognized territory of Bangladesh which Myanmar also accepted in multiple agreements and treaties. The entire 'problem' arised 2 years ago, when Bangladesh Ministry of Foreign Affairs(MOFA) discovered some of the Myanmar official website maps which included St. Martin's island. Now, the island is so small that it can not be seen in naked eyes on Myanmar map. Can only be seen by zooming. Bangladesh immediately protested and demanded to edit the map, which Myanmar obliged and claimed that it was a mistake. Perhaps they were not serious enough to edit all the map. Few months later, Bangladesh MOFA again discovered some of their govt. website still has that wrong map. Bangladesh again protested and Myanmar again rectified those map and claimed mistake.I dont get Bangladeshi members who keep talking about India threat. India is next door and very powerful. It is Myanmar who send 1 million Rohingya to your country and has territorial dispute over some waters and island that should be seen as the biggest potential threat. Unless you have land as massive as Xin Jiang, I dont think India has interest to swallow your nation.
I also dont get you guys keep talking nice about China and want to buy J 10 while they have supported Myanmar regime many times, including during recent UN attempt to make some kind of resolution to Myanmar.
Myanmar is a country which is fighting with itself for the last 70 years. So how they can be a credible threat against us? It is a country smaller than Bangladesh in every way except landmass. As I have mentioned, we have no territorial dispute with them and their objective regarding Bangladesh already achieved by expelling Rohingyas. Myanmar don't want anything from Bangladesh other than getting rid of their Rohingyas and seal the border and concentrate on East Asia. Bangladesh and Myanmar belongs to two different geo-political and cultural zone and had minimal interaction historically.I dont get Bangladeshi members who keep talking about India threat. India is next door and very powerful. It is Myanmar who send 1 million Rohingya to your country and has territorial dispute over some waters and island that should be seen as the biggest potential threat. Unless you have land as massive as Xin Jiang, I dont think India has interest to swallow your nation.
Yes , and I also didn't mean entire Bangladesh actually. Because India doesn't need entire Bangladesh,it will not be beneficial for them .I said stealing Bangladesh land, not entirely annexing Bangladesh, similar like how Russia get Crimea from Ukraine.
Exactly. That's why only Rangpur. I I can remember correctly ,here already an assames user claimed that we took Rampur division unfairly.Annexing Bangladesh can weaken their economy
Sikkim was a kingdom till 1975 but Indian protectorate. It meant that Indian army was responsible for guarding Sikkim's borders. Since China invaded and captured Tibet in 1950s, Sikkim was scared that China would invade Sikkim too.You cannot use Sikkim as analogy, it is very different. Just to give you an example, why India is risking to challenge powerful China there to hold it while it can actually steal Bangladesh land which is much much weaker than China.
Similar like Indonesia will go to war with Singapore if Singapore try to steal a small island near Singapore strait. It is more about dignity than any thing else.
Sikkim, I dont know the history, but in the past nation try to grab as much land as it could. Indonesia also invaded East Timor and during Soekarno time, Indonesia want to invade Malaysia. As technology become more advance, grabbing more land doesnt necessary make you become more wealthy. We have passed that period already.
Yup, Sikkim might be quite strategic, maybe it is related to the origin of Indian rivers or it is a way to defend North East as China also still consider North East India as their historic territory since they captured big part of Tibet already.
It will be EFTs which will bleed BAF for decades.
BAF has no interest in Gripens at the moment but let us hope future leadership grows a spine and keeps expanding the fleet. Gripen with ToT is the best option for replacing the entire existing fleet and expanding further.
@magra ,It was not so easy as it looks like.Indian army was in BD in 1971 and could have pushed for capturing some contiguous territories to expand Chicken's neck if that was the goal, but it was not.
So you acknowledge that India is not interested in enmity with BD. It needs BD's friendship to protect its north-east. Why would BD not want to be-friend India? Is it not in both countries' interests to be friendly neighbors?They can't still Bangladesh. @Homo Sapiens posted a thread few days ago that was a narration from Indian general during our freedom war.
He ( General) explained that how hard was it to cross the Megha river ; he feared that Pakistan army would literally bogged down Indian army.
However if that time Pakistan army ( surrounded by hostile Bengali people) can literally bogged down Indian army , then now how can India move their army to Annex Bangladesh while the armed forces of Bangladesh will be fighting with the support the huge civilians?
Bangladesh is called defence heaven , if India advance with army and want to reach Dhaka they only can use part of west Bengal border .
But look at the map of Bangladesh.
If you move army through this area , Bangladesh armed forces will hold Dhaka at any cost like and will use guerrilla forces to dismantle Indian troops.
Bangladesh armed forces know our land very well ,but India army don't.
Also hostile civilians will working under army guide line to ambush Indian army.
So the result will be, we can literally bogged down the Indian army under marsh.
In a war Military always use a formula that is METT - TC and in Bangladesh everything will be against Indian army if it ever try to advance.
So although it looks easy for Indian to annex Bangladesh ,it's very difficult.
On the other hand if China ever want to wring the Chicken neck ( shiliguri corridor) , then without using Bangladeshi land , they will lose seven sisters.
But Bangladesh isn't going to help India against any battle with China , so if India want to use Bangladeshi land and Bangladesh refuse , the real enmity will start.
Bangladesh then need huge armed forces if it ever need to counter Indian military directly.
So bottom line is Bangladeshi land can be helpful for India like windfall if China want wring the chicken neck to weaken India.
So if Bangladesh don't let India use it's land , then India will try to create a threat so that they can hold their seven sisters.
So strategically Bangladesh is very important.
On the other hand , if Bangladesh choose to join Chinese block , it can act as a hedge. Without using Bangladeshi land , India is even unable to send logistics to the NE India.
Myanmar is not going to aid India too ,since it's actually Chinese extension when military is in power.
Now you equate the things !
Yes right . And that's why Myanmar will act as Chinese land in order to counter USA.
On the other hand Bangladesh will be used as a strong hedge to prevent India and it's ally USA sending logistics to NE India.
If India not stop siding USA , China now can totally make NE isolated form mainland , by wringing chicken neck and blocking the sea root with the hedge Bangladesh.
From where India will send troops to NE?
SEA is blocked by Bangladesh , all Chinese troops will use Myanmar land , so only chicken neck is the way that is already wringed by China.
So who will be in convenient position? USA or China ?
If Bangladesh join in western block , India can easily use the land of Bangladesh when China wrings the chicken neck !
So can't Bangladesh be the decisive fact , if such thing happen in future?
@Indos
Soviet veto and fleet protection happened during the war. After this, Pak army was ready to surrender.@magra ,It was not so easy as it looks like.
If Indian troops tried to annex any part of Bangladesh in 1971 , it would back fire completely , as Pakistan was claiming that India forcefully annexed East Pakistan.
So if Indian army would have annexed any part of new found Bangladesh , then the claims of Pakistan would be proven right and no longer Russians would come to prevent American fleet to attack on India on behalf of Pakistan.
Also all Soviet veto for the liberation war of Bangladesh would back fired , so it's Soviet Union who would never allow India doing so.