Infrastructure Development in Pakistan

[Muhammad Omar]

RAWALPINDI-ISLAMABAD Metro Bus

 

[Whiplash]

To all Pakistani members: I've noticed that you guys are building beautiful viaducts in all your cities. But using them for bus rapid transit. This makes no sense to me. Even the busiest BRT lines can handle less passengers than a metro line. What I don't seem to understand is, since you're incurring a huge proportion of the expenditure already (ie. the viaducts) why not just spend a little more and make these lines full fledged metro systems?

 

[Edevelop]

New Islamabad Airport.

80% of Civil Works has been completed

 

[Edevelop]

 

[Edevelop]

To all Pakistani members: I've noticed that you guys are building beautiful viaducts in all your cities. But using them for bus rapid transit. This makes no sense to me. Even the busiest BRT lines can handle less passengers than a metro line. What I don't seem to understand is, since you're incurring a huge proportion of the expenditure already (ie. the viaducts) why not just spend a little more and make these lines full fledged metro systems?

I wish I had an answer to that...

 

[Edevelop]

 

[Jango]

To all Pakistani members: I've noticed that you guys are building beautiful viaducts in all your cities. But using them for bus rapid transit. This makes no sense to me. Even the busiest BRT lines can handle less passengers than a metro line. What I don't seem to understand is, since you're incurring a huge proportion of the expenditure already (ie. the viaducts) why not just spend a little more and make these lines full fledged metro systems?

Half the population in Pakistan doesn't seem to understand this...don't worry!

 

[Edevelop]

Bahawalpur Quaid e Azam Solar Park !!

 

[Whiplash]

Half the population in Pakistan doesn't seem to understand this...don't worry!

How does that matter? It's not for the population to understand. The consultants/engineers must have a reason? And I hope that reason is not to save on the 20-30% extra that you might have to spend. Because that is very short sighted thinking.

1)According to this dawn article, the Lahore metrobus cost $11m per kilometer. That's almost as much as any metro line in India costs. And most metro line inIindia carry 3lakh+ passengers per day. The ones in China carry even more. That's almost 3 times as much as the Lahore metrobus.

2)All your cities are definitely going to have metros in the future. (I've heard some are already planned). Wont these BRT viaducts act like major hurdles in construction? You'll have to move your metros underground (5 times the cost) or higher (again much more expensive).

I hope there is a very good reason why the government chose BRT, when it is almost spending the same amount.

 

[Edevelop]

Dynamic Demo Model of 2 x 2.5 Megawatt Hydel Power Projects(FHPP 3/4) at Chashma, Mianwali.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1006662982681523

How does that matter? It's not for the population to understand. The consultants/engineers must have a reason? And I hope that reason is not to save on the 20-30% extra that you might have to spend. Because that is very short sighted thinking.

1)According to this dawn article, the Lahore metrobus cost $11m per kilometer. That's almost as much as any metro line in India costs. And most metro line inIindia carry 3lakh+ passengers per day. The ones in China carry even more. That's almost 3 times as much as the Lahore metrobus.

2)All your cities are definitely going to have metros in the future. (I've heard some are already planned). Wont these BRT viaducts act like major hurdles in construction? You'll have to move your metros underground (5 times the cost) or higher (again much more expensive).

I hope there is a very good reason why the government chose BRT, when it is almost spending the same amount.

But if i'm not mistaken India takes some loans from Japan and other countries to build its Metro Systems. I guess what we wanted to do was to spend something what we have experience and expertise of (roads, bridges), something which does not use electricity (due to loadshedding) and something which can be spent from our own resources. I don't think we are ignoring Mass Train Systems. We have an agreement in place with the Chinese to invest and operate an Orange Line project in Lahore which will have underground and overhead features by 2018. In any matter they say that the BRTs can be converted into Light Rail. Also confirmed from JICA's Plans

 

[Whiplash]

Dynamic Demo Model of 2 x 2.5 Megawatt Hydel Power Projects(FHPP 3/4) at Chashma, Mianwali.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1006662982681523

But if i'm not mistaken India takes some loans from Japan and other countries to build its Metro Systems. I guess what we wanted to do was to spend something what we have experience and expertise of (roads, bridges), something which does not use electricity (due to loadshedding) and something which can be spent from our own resources. I don't think we are ignoring Mass Train Systems. We have an agreement in place with the Chinese to invest and operate an Orange Line project in Lahore which will have underground and overhead features by 2018. In any matter they say that the BRTs can be converted into Light Rail.

Mumbai metro was about 60% funded by Japan. Delhi was 40-50% Japan and World bank. Some other Metros are funded similarly and some are not funded at all. But all these loans are development loans which have extremely low interest rates. China would readily give Pakistan similar loans (heck there's talk of them giving it to us for our HSR line).

If the BRT viaducts can be used for Light metro then I think it's fine. Use the BRT till it is viable and then convert to light metro. The electricity point makes sense. In fact that's probably the only point I can think of that could make the planners opt for this.

Are all of Pakistan's present and future metrobus lines self funded? (Wasn't turkey involved to some extent?)

 

[truthseeker2010]

Need of the hour.........

 

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[Sulman Badshah]

PUNJAB: Under-construction bridge Qutab Shahana over Ravi River near Sahiwal

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Motorway 4 Faisalabad to Gojra Section