Muhammad Omar
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Which is this phase in DHA where there have many empty plots.....
To all Pakistani members: I've noticed that you guys are building beautiful viaducts in all your cities. But using them for bus rapid transit. This makes no sense to me. Even the busiest BRT lines can handle less passengers than a metro line. What I don't seem to understand is, since you're incurring a huge proportion of the expenditure already (ie. the viaducts) why not just spend a little more and make these lines full fledged metro systems?
2)All your cities are definitely going to have metros in the future. (I've heard some are already planned). Wont these BRT viaducts act like major hurdles in construction? You'll have to move your metros underground (5 times the cost) or higher (again much more expensive).
[/QUOTE]How does that matter? It's not for the population to understand. The consultants/engineers must have a reason? And I hope that reason is not to save on the 20-30% extra that you might have to spend. Because that is very short sighted thinking.
1)According to this dawn article, the Lahore metrobus cost $11m per kilometer. That's almost as much as any metro line in India costs. And most metro line inIindia carry 3lakh+ passengers per day. The ones in China carry even more. That's almost 3 times as much as the Lahore metrobus.
2)All your cities are definitely going to have metros in the future. (I've heard some are already planned). Wont these BRT viaducts act like major hurdles in construction? You'll have to move your metros underground (5 times the cost) or higher (again much more expensive).
I hope there is a very good reason why the government chose BRT, when it is almost spending the same amount.
Mumbai metro was about 60% funded by Japan. Delhi was 40-50% Japan and World bank. Some other Metros are funded similarly and some are not funded at all. But all these loans are development loans which have extremely low interest rates. China would readily give Pakistan similar loans (heck there's talk of them giving it to us for our HSR line).
If the BRT viaducts can be used for Light metro then I think it's fine. Use the BRT till it is viable and then convert to light metro. The electricity point makes sense. In fact that's probably the only point I can think of that could make the planners opt for this.
Are all of Pakistan's present and future metrobus lines self funded? (Wasn't turkey involved to some extent?)
I read somewhere that these ducts are designed in a way to accommodate/carry metro lines in future if need be. Perhaps that's why the decision is to build a metro bus corridor first and then, when the govt. has managed to lessen the burden of loans and have enough funds for metro lines, probably go for a rail based MRT system on these pre existing ducts. But this is just a conjecture, may be someone form Pakistan can confirm.