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Indonesia Decides to Buy Korean Made Submarines

HDW+209+Type+1400.jpg

An HDW 209 Type 1400 (this particular sub, S31, is Tamoio part of Brazil's Tupi Class) in what looks like "Sepetiba" Rio de Janeiro's harbour. Indonesia's three new submarines will be similar.


HDW+Evolutionary+Tree.jpg
The HDW family tree with HDW 209 on several branches

While North Korea is undergoing a tense and hopefully predictable transition to a new "Emperor?" of the Kim Dynasty (possibly Kim Jonghe Un) South Korea has its first submarine export order. Blending reports (hotlinked in red) from The Jakarta Post (December 22, 2011) (South) Korea Herald (December 21, 2011) and South Korea's Chosun Ilbo (December 21, 2011):

Signing Contract

The Indonesian Defence Ministry and Daewoo Shipbuilding Marine Engineering (DSME) signed the contract on Tuesday December 20, 2011 to build the three submarines.

The contract was signed by the Indonesian Defence Ministry's Defence Facilities Agency chief, Maj. Gen. Ediwan Prabowo, and DSME President and CEO Nam Tae-sang.

Under the contract, two submarines will be built in South Korea in cooperation with state-owned shipbuilder PT PAL, while the third submarine will be built at PT PAL’s facilities in Surabaya, Java, Indonesia.

Ministry spokesman Brig. Gen. Hartin Asrind told the Jakarta Post over the phone that the contract was worth US$1.07 billion and construction [unclear whether that means simultaneous construction in Korea AND Indonesia] would start in January 2011.

Indonesia’s signing of a contract to procure three submarines from a South Korean company is an effort to keep pace with other countries in the region.

Submarine Characteristics

The 3 submarines will be a development of the HDW 209 (Type 1400) (see references to Korea and Chang Bogo here) designated KSS 1 Chang Bogo Class in South Korea. With technical assistance from the German firm HDW DSME has built nine Chang Bogo Class subs since 1988. DSME is now building KSS 2 (HDW 214 developments) for the Korean Navy. The subs being built for Indonesia (which may or may not include AIP?) are likely to have many features of the HDW 214.

The deal represents a major East Asian regional defence order and probably signals closer South Korea - Indonesian bilateral relations overall. See two previous articles in Australia in the Indian Ocean concerning South Korean submarine developments.

The HDW 209 (Type 1400) equivalents being built by Korea for Indonesia will weigh approximately 1,400 tons surfaced and 1,600 tons submerged, be 61.3 meters long, will carry up to 40 crew members and have eight weapons tubes for 14 torpedoes, mines, missiles (Harpoon or BrahMos?) and other weaponry. The two Korean built subs will be delivered to the Indonesian Navy between 2015 and 2018 while the Indonesian built sub may be delivered and commisioned later.

The order may double Indonesia’s existing fleet of two HDW 206 Cakra Class submarines; the KRI Cakra and KRI Nenggala (both elderly - launched in 1977). As submarines inevitably rust/corrode and expansion-contraction causes metal fatigue after 30 years the 33 year old KRI Cakra and KRI Nenggala are probably at the end of their operational lives.

Major Achievement for Daewoo Shipbuilding Marine Engineering (DSME)

This represents the largest single defense export contract ever awarded to a Korean firm. DSME beat Russian (Kilo sub) and French (Scorpene) and German (HDW) competitors to win the contract. Australia in the Indian Ocean commented in August 2009 on the apparent cancellation of an understanding that Indonesia would buy Russian Kilo subs - see Where have the Indonesian Kilo submarines gone? and October 2009 Further Delays to Indonesian Submarine Purchase Plans

DSME has been working with the Indonesian government since 2005 for the submarine contract and also refitted KRI Cakra in 2006. These activities helped DSME beat the other companies competing.

Other Submarine Forces (and Acquisitions) in Indonesia's Region

• Australia, 6 Australian built, Swedish Kockums designed Collins Class commissioned in 1996-2003 with 12 future Australian built "SEA 1000" Class subs for possible introduction from 2022 onwards.

• Indonesia, 2 German built U-206 Cakra Class launched 1977 and commissioned 1981. The 3 U-209 discussed above built and/or developed in South Korea likely to be commissioned by 2015-2018

• Malaysia, 2 French built Scorpene, KD Tunku Abdul Rahman Class commissioned in 2009

• Singapore, 4 Swedish built Challenger Class commissioned 1999-2001 and 2 Swedish built AIP Archer Class commissioned in 2011

• Vietnam, 4 to 6 Russia built Kilo Subs to be commissioned 2015-2019.

Big headache and nightmare for vietnam and phillipines, congratulations! :wave::wave::wave:
 
Indonesia Decides to Buy Korean Made Submarines

HDW+209+Type+1400.jpg

An HDW 209 Type 1400 (this particular sub, S31, is Tamoio part of Brazil's Tupi Class) in what looks like "Sepetiba" Rio de Janeiro's harbour. Indonesia's three new submarines will be similar.


HDW+Evolutionary+Tree.jpg
The HDW family tree with HDW 209 on several branches

While North Korea is undergoing a tense and hopefully predictable transition to a new "Emperor?" of the Kim Dynasty (possibly Kim Jonghe Un) South Korea has its first submarine export order. Blending reports (hotlinked in red) from The Jakarta Post (December 22, 2011) (South) Korea Herald (December 21, 2011) and South Korea's Chosun Ilbo (December 21, 2011):

Signing Contract

The Indonesian Defence Ministry and Daewoo Shipbuilding Marine Engineering (DSME) signed the contract on Tuesday December 20, 2011 to build the three submarines.

The contract was signed by the Indonesian Defence Ministry's Defence Facilities Agency chief, Maj. Gen. Ediwan Prabowo, and DSME President and CEO Nam Tae-sang.

Under the contract, two submarines will be built in South Korea in cooperation with state-owned shipbuilder PT PAL, while the third submarine will be built at PT PAL’s facilities in Surabaya, Java, Indonesia.

Ministry spokesman Brig. Gen. Hartin Asrind told the Jakarta Post over the phone that the contract was worth US$1.07 billion and construction [unclear whether that means simultaneous construction in Korea AND Indonesia] would start in January 2011.

Indonesia’s signing of a contract to procure three submarines from a South Korean company is an effort to keep pace with other countries in the region.

Submarine Characteristics

The 3 submarines will be a development of the HDW 209 (Type 1400) (see references to Korea and Chang Bogo here) designated KSS 1 Chang Bogo Class in South Korea. With technical assistance from the German firm HDW DSME has built nine Chang Bogo Class subs since 1988. DSME is now building KSS 2 (HDW 214 developments) for the Korean Navy. The subs being built for Indonesia (which may or may not include AIP?) are likely to have many features of the HDW 214.

The deal represents a major East Asian regional defence order and probably signals closer South Korea - Indonesian bilateral relations overall. See two previous articles in Australia in the Indian Ocean concerning South Korean submarine developments.

The HDW 209 (Type 1400) equivalents being built by Korea for Indonesia will weigh approximately 1,400 tons surfaced and 1,600 tons submerged, be 61.3 meters long, will carry up to 40 crew members and have eight weapons tubes for 14 torpedoes, mines, missiles (Harpoon or BrahMos?) and other weaponry. The two Korean built subs will be delivered to the Indonesian Navy between 2015 and 2018 while the Indonesian built sub may be delivered and commisioned later.

The order may double Indonesia’s existing fleet of two HDW 206 Cakra Class submarines; the KRI Cakra and KRI Nenggala (both elderly - launched in 1977). As submarines inevitably rust/corrode and expansion-contraction causes metal fatigue after 30 years the 33 year old KRI Cakra and KRI Nenggala are probably at the end of their operational lives.

Major Achievement for Daewoo Shipbuilding Marine Engineering (DSME)

This represents the largest single defense export contract ever awarded to a Korean firm. DSME beat Russian (Kilo sub) and French (Scorpene) and German (HDW) competitors to win the contract. Australia in the Indian Ocean commented in August 2009 on the apparent cancellation of an understanding that Indonesia would buy Russian Kilo subs - see Where have the Indonesian Kilo submarines gone? and October 2009 Further Delays to Indonesian Submarine Purchase Plans

DSME has been working with the Indonesian government since 2005 for the submarine contract and also refitted KRI Cakra in 2006. These activities helped DSME beat the other companies competing.

Other Submarine Forces (and Acquisitions) in Indonesia's Region

• Australia, 6 Australian built, Swedish Kockums designed Collins Class commissioned in 1996-2003 with 12 future Australian built "SEA 1000" Class subs for possible introduction from 2022 onwards.

• Indonesia, 2 German built U-206 Cakra Class launched 1977 and commissioned 1981. The 3 U-209 discussed above built and/or developed in South Korea likely to be commissioned by 2015-2018

• Malaysia, 2 French built Scorpene, KD Tunku Abdul Rahman Class commissioned in 2009

• Singapore, 4 Swedish built Challenger Class commissioned 1999-2001 and 2 Swedish built AIP Archer Class commissioned in 2011

• Vietnam, 4 to 6 Russia built Kilo Subs to be commissioned 2015-2019.

Big headache and nightmare for vietnam and phillipines, congratulations! :wave::wave::wave:

Indonesia is our friend, the two countries do not have any dispute. What reason we headache to them?
 
Indonesia use German made subs
Vietnam uses kilo class of Russia
Singapore uses Sweden made subs
Malaysia uses french subs
nice piece of collection
 
1. Thankfully Indonesia and Malaysia have patched up any problems they had. Right now Indonesia is to cater for issues she has with the Philippines and Vietnam. Australia has always tried to destabilize Indonesia. WCC never looked at kindly at this largest Muslim nation rich in resources.

2. Indonesia has been wary of Singapore's closeness with Israel.

3. Sukarno used to say that the Andaman-Nicobar Islands should either belong to East Pakistan (BD) or Indonesia. He used to call the Indian Ocean, the Indonesian Ocean. During 1965 War Sukarno had sent a troop of PT-76 tanks to the then E Pakistan.

4. There is great prospect of cooperation among: S Korea, China, Indonesia, Malaysia, BD, Pakistan and Turkey.
 
1. Thankfully Indonesia and Malaysia have patched up any problems they had. Right now Indonesia is to cater for issues she has with the Philippines and Vietnam. Australia has always tried to destabilize Indonesia. WCC never looked at kindly at this largest Muslim nation rich in resources.

2. Indonesia has been wary of Singapore's closeness with Israel.

3. Sukarno used to say that the Andaman-Nicobar Islands should either belong to East Pakistan (BD) or Indonesia. He used to call the Indian Ocean, the Indonesian Ocean. During 1965 War Sukarno had sent a troop of PT-76 tanks to the then E Pakistan.

4. There is great prospect of cooperation among: S Korea, China, Indonesia, Malaysia, BD, Pakistan and Turkey.

1-Australia has economically helped Indonesia A LOT , Indonesia invaded east timor , Annexed west papau and killed 5 of our journalists and then theres the Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation.

2-Many of Indonesias neighbours are wary of them to including Malaysia.

4-IDK what this is some wet dream?
 
1. Thankfully Indonesia and Malaysia have patched up any problems they had. Right now Indonesia is to cater for issues she has with the Philippines and Vietnam. Australia has always tried to destabilize Indonesia. WCC never looked at kindly at this largest Muslim nation rich in resources.

2. Indonesia has been wary of Singapore's closeness with Israel.

3. Sukarno used to say that the Andaman-Nicobar Islands should either belong to East Pakistan (BD) or Indonesia. He used to call the Indian Ocean, the Indonesian Ocean. During 1965 War Sukarno had sent a troop of PT-76 tanks to the then E Pakistan.

4. There is great prospect of cooperation among: S Korea, China, Indonesia, Malaysia, BD, Pakistan and Turkey.

Sorry, what are the Indonesia's issues with Vietnam and the Philippines?

Do you understand what you're saying?
 
Sorry, what are the Indonesia's issues with Vietnam and the Philippines?

Do you understand what you're saying?

Try to avoid your clownish attitude for awhile for good, can you?

Why you are so coward to admit any negative truth about your "super" viva country, vietnam?

Truth hurt.......but you have to "swallow" it!
 
Try to avoid your clownish attitude for awhile for good, can you?

Why you are so coward to admit any negative truth about your "super" viva country, vietnam?

Truth hurt.......but you have to "swallow" it!

You are always proved that you are a rude guy.
But instead of feeling angry with you, I just felt funny.


My question is: what are the Indonesia's issues with Vietnam and the Philippines? Can you answer it?
 
Indonesia Decides to Buy Korean Made Submarines

HDW+209+Type+1400.jpg

An HDW 209 Type 1400 (this particular sub, S31, is Tamoio part of Brazil's Tupi Class) in what looks like "Sepetiba" Rio de Janeiro's harbour. Indonesia's three new submarines will be similar.


HDW+Evolutionary+Tree.jpg
The HDW family tree with HDW 209 on several branches

While North Korea is undergoing a tense and hopefully predictable transition to a new "Emperor?" of the Kim Dynasty (possibly Kim Jonghe Un) South Korea has its first submarine export order. Blending reports (hotlinked in red) from The Jakarta Post (December 22, 2011) (South) Korea Herald (December 21, 2011) and South Korea's Chosun Ilbo (December 21, 2011):

Signing Contract

The Indonesian Defence Ministry and Daewoo Shipbuilding Marine Engineering (DSME) signed the contract on Tuesday December 20, 2011 to build the three submarines.

The contract was signed by the Indonesian Defence Ministry's Defence Facilities Agency chief, Maj. Gen. Ediwan Prabowo, and DSME President and CEO Nam Tae-sang.

Under the contract, two submarines will be built in South Korea in cooperation with state-owned shipbuilder PT PAL, while the third submarine will be built at PT PAL’s facilities in Surabaya, Java, Indonesia.

Ministry spokesman Brig. Gen. Hartin Asrind told the Jakarta Post over the phone that the contract was worth US$1.07 billion and construction [unclear whether that means simultaneous construction in Korea AND Indonesia] would start in January 2011.

Indonesia’s signing of a contract to procure three submarines from a South Korean company is an effort to keep pace with other countries in the region.

Submarine Characteristics

The 3 submarines will be a development of the HDW 209 (Type 1400) (see references to Korea and Chang Bogo here) designated KSS 1 Chang Bogo Class in South Korea. With technical assistance from the German firm HDW DSME has built nine Chang Bogo Class subs since 1988. DSME is now building KSS 2 (HDW 214 developments) for the Korean Navy. The subs being built for Indonesia (which may or may not include AIP?) are likely to have many features of the HDW 214.

The deal represents a major East Asian regional defence order and probably signals closer South Korea - Indonesian bilateral relations overall. See two previous articles in Australia in the Indian Ocean concerning South Korean submarine developments.

The HDW 209 (Type 1400) equivalents being built by Korea for Indonesia will weigh approximately 1,400 tons surfaced and 1,600 tons submerged, be 61.3 meters long, will carry up to 40 crew members and have eight weapons tubes for 14 torpedoes, mines, missiles (Harpoon or BrahMos?) and other weaponry. The two Korean built subs will be delivered to the Indonesian Navy between 2015 and 2018 while the Indonesian built sub may be delivered and commisioned later.

The order may double Indonesia’s existing fleet of two HDW 206 Cakra Class submarines; the KRI Cakra and KRI Nenggala (both elderly - launched in 1977). As submarines inevitably rust/corrode and expansion-contraction causes metal fatigue after 30 years the 33 year old KRI Cakra and KRI Nenggala are probably at the end of their operational lives.

Major Achievement for Daewoo Shipbuilding Marine Engineering (DSME)

This represents the largest single defense export contract ever awarded to a Korean firm. DSME beat Russian (Kilo sub) and French (Scorpene) and German (HDW) competitors to win the contract. Australia in the Indian Ocean commented in August 2009 on the apparent cancellation of an understanding that Indonesia would buy Russian Kilo subs - see Where have the Indonesian Kilo submarines gone? and October 2009 Further Delays to Indonesian Submarine Purchase Plans

DSME has been working with the Indonesian government since 2005 for the submarine contract and also refitted KRI Cakra in 2006. These activities helped DSME beat the other companies competing.

Other Submarine Forces (and Acquisitions) in Indonesia's Region

• Australia, 6 Australian built, Swedish Kockums designed Collins Class commissioned in 1996-2003 with 12 future Australian built "SEA 1000" Class subs for possible introduction from 2022 onwards.

• Indonesia, 2 German built U-206 Cakra Class launched 1977 and commissioned 1981. The 3 U-209 discussed above built and/or developed in South Korea likely to be commissioned by 2015-2018

• Malaysia, 2 French built Scorpene, KD Tunku Abdul Rahman Class commissioned in 2009

• Singapore, 4 Swedish built Challenger Class commissioned 1999-2001 and 2 Swedish built AIP Archer Class commissioned in 2011

• Vietnam, 4 to 6 Russia built Kilo Subs to be commissioned 2015-2019.

Big headache and nightmare for vietnam and phillipines, congratulations! :wave::wave::wave:

Your comment is old trick track of capitalism just copied by Chinese.
It's good news.
 
Who are the enemies of Indonesia? I have some great friends from that country.
we are zero enemy, thousands friend, lol :cheesy:
but we always keeping eyes on australia, especially after what they did in late 90's, we never trust them anymore
 
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