Indonesia may see more sharia-based laws

[Brainsucker]

Shariah law can be implemented in Indonesia without denying Pancasila and UUD 45. UUD 45 itself can be changed if majority of MPR member agree. Shariah law implemented in Aceh has so many flaw, I hope it can be fixed, for instant, we cannot force women to use hijab under Shariah law that I understand.

What a waste of time and energy. Why do we need to repair something that is not broken? Pancasila and UUD45 are fine as it is. We don't need different ideology to replace them. Specially when our forefathers have been in agreement to embrace Pancasila as our country way of life. Replacing them with different ideology means to destroy the soul of our country. Are you saying that we should destroy NKRI and replace it with another country?

What are you suggest? a new country called NII (Negara Islam Indonesia)?

Sorry dude, you should embrace Shariah Law in your heart. Do what the best for your spiritual and religious life. But, don't replace something that has been agreed by our fore fathers when this republic was born, in 1945.

 

[Indos]

What a waste of time and energy. Why do we need to repair something that is not broken? Pancasila and UUD45 are fine as it is. We don't need anything else to change, or even to replace them.

Pancasila and UUD 45 is fine, I am agree on it. I just say that shariah law can be used to replace dutch law. We dont need to replace Pancasila and UUD 45 for shariah law implementation. In my opinion there will be more shariah based law in Indonesia in the coming future. MUI (Indonesian Ulama council) for instant will ask government to use shariah law punishment for thief and corruptor after presidential election.

The implementation should not follow what Saudi/Iran/Aceh do but what has been applied in Madinah time during prophet Muhammad time where freedom of expression and religion are really respected.

Sounds good,doesn't work

C'mon dude aceh is really one big example of sharia law failure ,it only affect poor citizen and those who in power and rich are untouch,it's one of the poorest and intolerance province in indonesia

And the fact you support shariah law really a big disappointment
I mean there are reason why our founding father reject shariah law because it can destroy our unity

Piagam Jakarta (Jakarta Charter) is not my intention bro. Piagam Jakarta said that there should be obligation for Muslim to follow Shariah law. It is false since it violate freedom of expression. Women should wear hijab and people go to mosque because they are afraid of God not because government ask them to do so. The real Shariah law should only regulate any conduct that harm other people and society like homicide, stealing, corruption, etc and not personal thing. The punishment is more just and effective.

We are using Dutch law currently and it is not perfect. Like it or not, there are many Muslim who want to see the implementation of shariah law but as I said it should be reformed first, not like the one implemented by Saudi/Iran/Aceh but the one implemented during prophet Muhammad time. Personal thing and freedom of expression should be respected.

 

[Brainsucker]

Pancasila and UUD 45 is fine, I am agree on it. I just say that shariah law can be used to replace dutch law. We dont need to replace Pancasila and UUD 45 for shariah law implementation. In my opinion there will be more shariah based law in Indonesia in the coming future. MUI (Indonesian Ulama council) for instant will ask government to use shariah law punishment for thief and corruptor after presidential election.

The implementation should not follow what Saudi/Iran/Aceh do but what has been applied in Madinah time during prophet Muhammad time where freedom of expression and religion are really respected.

What Aceh failed is not the content of Sharia Law, but the implementation. What the Dutch Law lack is also not the content but the implementation. So basically, whatever the law you're using, if you can't implement it as it is, it won't work. You can create many kind of Law. Even the most perfect law in this world. But if there are still bad implementation of the law, it won't work.

What Indonesia needs is not a replacement of the law. But more of Enforcing the current Law. When the law work as it intended, social justice for all Indonesian will be reached.

Piagam Jakarta (Jakarta Charter) is not my intention bro. Piagam Jakarta said that there should be obligation for Muslim to follow Shariah law. It is false since it violate freedom of expression. Women should wear hijab and people go to mosque because they are afraid of God not because government ask them to do so. The real Shariah law should only regulate any conduct that harm other people and society like homicide, stealing, corruption, etc and not personal thing. The punishment is more just and effective.

We are using Dutch law currently and it is not perfect. Like it or not, there are many Muslim who want to see the implementation of shariah law but as I said it should be reformed first, not like the one implemented by Saudi/Iran/Aceh but the one implemented during prophet Muhammad time. Personal thing and freedom of expression should be respected.

You're forgetting something here. It was not Piagam Jakarta that our Forefather agreed upon in 1945, but Pancasila. They revised Piagam Jakarta, and change it into the current Pancasila. So it is the current Pancasila that is legaly accepted in our country, not Piagam Jakarta.

Come on bro, we don't need Sharia Law. But we need to imitate how the Prophet faithful to the law, and how he implement the law when he ruled his country. It is the spirit of Prophet Muhammad that we have to learn, and implemented, and not the law. Because the law is created according to the era. But the spirit on how the Prophet rule his country, how he enforced the law, and how he brought social justice to all his people is that we have to learn and practiced.

 

[Nike]

just who will implemented the Sharia? Mullah? Ulama? They tend to act above the law and abusing their power calling themselves as holy people, just look at latest trend when people starting to shout slogan tolak kriminalisasi ulama, it is very worrying and will cause clash and even civil war in future.

Uh well i will look what @Indos said and typing here and consult them with my police colleagues to see if it can be categoryzed as Makar or not. Promoting something beside Pancasila and trying to change UUD 1945, I am very serious about it

 

[gambit]

just who will implemented the Sharia? Mullah? Ulama? They tend to act above the law and abusing their power calling themselves as holy people,...

This is a constant problem with theocracies, so constant that the idea that theocrats will see themselves as above the laws is practically inevitable.

I do not want to be pessimistic but it looks like your country is going to be such a theocracy.

 

[Nike]

This is a constant problem with theocracies, so constant that the idea that theocrats will see themselves as above the laws is practically inevitable.

I do not want to be pessimistic but it looks like your country is going to be such a theocracy.

We still got TNI and Polri along with other paramilitary units to serve guards against such possibilities. Sometimes bloodbath is necessary to purify the soul of a Nation

There is bigger chance our country will break up first than become a big theocracy country like Iran or Saudi.

But **** for Christ sake i will blame OP once again in this current era and tech why we are talking about Sharia anymore?

First, you've got democracy who let you practicing your faith unimpended regardless of your sect or your taklim school, if we got Sharia which school this Nation will follow? NU? muhammadiyah? Wahabbi? Sufi? Lol just to pick the school of though alone will kill many people and spend so much energy

Second, this Country must compete rationally and efficient against the likes of Vietnam, China, South Korea Japan and so on so we can advance and give prosperity to our people, why we must bother to spent time and resources to endless debate about Sharia, only jobless talking about heaven rules on earth

Third, our democracy system is working well. Unlike many pseudo and parodi system on other countries. Our economy is growing well, our people mostly well fed and get educated much better than their parents era, our industry is growing well, our law is working and even our police working hard to hold our moralities high up.

 

[T-123456]

I do not want to be pessimistic but it looks like your country is going to be such a theocracy.

Not possible in Indonesia,to big and no homogeneous population.

There is bigger chance our country will break up first than become a big theocracy country like Iran or Saudi.

Yes that could happen but only as an ultimate solution.

 

[T-123456]

Shariah law can be implemented in Indonesia without denying Pancasila and UUD 45. UUD 45 itself can be changed if majority of MPR member agree (and some of them have been changed).

Shariah law implemented in Aceh (and Saudi/Iran etc) has so many flaw, I hope it can be fixed, for instant, we cannot force women to use hijab or people cannot be forced to close their shop during Jumat prayer etc under Shariah law that I understand. There should be freedom of expression as well just like happening in Madinah during prophet Muhammad period.

Bro,your culture is different from that of Iran or KSA,why would you want to change it?
You are an example for many Muslimm countries,why would you want to mess that up?
Why go backward instead of forward?

 

[313ghazi]

Bro,your culture is different from that of Iran or KSA,why would you want to change it?
You are an example for many Muslimm countries,why would you want to mess that up?
Why go backward instead of forward?

Shariah is not new to Indonesia. Indonesia has been Muslim for nearly as long as there has been Islam. The colonialists ended shariah in Indonesia by force, just as they did across the Muslim world.

Your own people only truly saw greatness when they established shariah.

 

[T-123456]

Your own people only truly saw greatness when they established shariah.

In those days 600 years ago,all Muslims lived under sharia law.
While the rest of the world evolved in the next centuries,my people sticked to the same and lost almost everything.
If not for ATATÜRK a secularist,my country wouldnt exist.
We live now,not centuries back,time to wake up and see that it doesnt work in modern times.

 

[313ghazi]

In those days 600 years ago,all Muslims lived under sharia law.
While the rest of the world evolved in the next centuries,my people sticked to the same and lost almost everything.
If not for ATATÜRK a secularist,my country wouldnt exist.
We live now,not centuries back,time to wake up and see that it doesnt work in modern times.

Thinking objectively, where has it been implemented properly in modern times for us to make that judgement?

The entire problem is people either think the implementation of Shariah must either be a carbon copy of a few hundred years ago or not at all.

Democracy is not implemented as it was by the Greeks or the Romans. It has evolved as society has evolved, yet the principles are the same.

Shariah must be re-implemented in a similar way. The haram and halal has not changed, it is the same. Ie the principle is the same. The implementation must be built around the current environment.

We see examples of it in the middle east but they are using it as a front to hide dictatorships behind. Indonesia and Malaysia have a more successful implementation. I consider the Pakistani system a failed attempt.

Shariah is not the sole domain of the mullah. It must be the domain of the legislator, the lawyer, the economist and other relevant experts to re-implement it.

 

[Viet]

Indonesia is not an Islamic country. Get your facts, right. And the person got punished is not even a Muslim.

Has Indonesia recently sentenced a Chinese descent major to jail for blasphemy? It seems the country is getting more radical with a nationalist religious populist government. Who knows it may rename to Islam Republic of Indonesia. But hey I think China is on the same path. You live in a country with increasing fanatic driven population.

 

[313ghazi]

There is so much anti Islam intolerance even with Muslims on this forum. The colonialists have brainwashed you about thier superiority. I suggest anyone suffering from this go live in a western society and become a success. Only then will you realise that you can be thier equal or even better.

A Muslim majority country is implementing more Islamic laws because the population is demanding thier elected leaders do so. This is democracy in action. Why does everyone else have a problem?

No Islamic law ever held society back. Not a single one.

 

[nufix]

Shariah law can be implemented in Indonesia without denying Pancasila and UUD 45. UUD 45 itself can be changed if majority of MPR member agree (and some of them have been changed).

Shariah law implemented in Aceh (and Saudi/Iran etc) has so many flaw, I hope it can be fixed, for instant, we cannot force women to use hijab or people cannot be forced to close their shop during Jumat prayer etc under Shariah law that I understand. There should be freedom of expression as well just like happening in Madinah during prophet Muhammad period.

What is up with you and shariah law? Why change something if it is not broken? Indonesia advanced at a quicker pace than other muslim nations because it is not based on a single religion. Why is it so hard for pro Shariah people to accept that fact? The only broken thing that you see is only because the current law is not (officially) based on shariah, the rest? Meh, you would not care.

There is so much anti Islam intolerance even with Muslims on this forum. The colonialists have brainwashed you about thier superiority. I suggest anyone suffering from this go live in a western society and become a success. Only then will you realise that you can be thier equal or even better.

A Muslim majority country is implementing more Islamic laws because the population is demanding thier elected leaders do so. This is democracy in action. Why does everyone else have a problem?

No Islamic law ever held society back. Not a single one.

It is a paradox. Islamists tend to hide behind democracy in order to grow big and when they are big, they will be the first to kill that democracy.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Stop acting like you know everything about our country,those people who want sharia law implemented are nothing than arab wannabe indonesian who certainly don't respect indonesian culture,do you know that some those of people are banning wayang,tearing down statue ,calling some traditional dance haram


No one forced you sister to wear bikini and suck cock
indonesian women are different they want to be independent and have basic right like man do,they can choose whatever they as long they don't breaking the law

But since pakistan are really conservative country,i can understand that the word "women right" are so strange for you

You were doing good, up until that last line. That just proved that your are an ignorant little child that doesn't know anything about the religion but came here to get his ignorance heard.

Why all pakistani want indonesia to be an islamic country?
It will only cause nothing than just suffering
Indonesia will be on civil war just fyi although non muslim in indonesia is minortiy ,their number is around 30 million and it's a BIG NUMBER

You know when we heard word about "pakistan" the first thing come to mind is terorism and an example of indonesia would look like if we are an islamic country
So no,thanks

And about prabowo wkwkw
Only idiot who think that he is devout muslim.his entire familly is christian,he still celebrate christmas.
His islam faith are really questionable

Sound more like an Indian then Indonesia, very intrigued.

In those days 600 years ago,all Muslims lived under sharia law.
While the rest of the world evolved in the next centuries,my people sticked to the same and lost almost everything.
If not for ATATÜRK a secularist,my country wouldnt exist.
We live now,not centuries back,time to wake up and see that it doesnt work in modern times.

For your information, the muslim world was far ahead in everything, from anyone on the planet. Thanks to the sultans and kings that became drunk on power and started doing nonsensical things, is when we declined.

You were doing good, up until that last line. That just proved that your are an ignorant little child that doesn't know anything about the religion but came here to get his ignorance heard.


Sound more like an Indian then Indonesia, very intrigued.


For your information, the muslim world was far ahead in everything, from anyone on the planet. Thanks to the sultans and kings that became drunk on power and started doing nonsensical things, is when we declined.

For all those idiots that think they know so much about Islam. I wonder if you know that shira is modifiable, it changes with time and the need of a civilization. Now I know some of you like to worship your white masters so I understand that you want to distance yourself from all that makes you what you are. If you like the leash so much I'm sure we can provide you with one too.