Indonesia looks to win exports in Bangladesh

[Bilal9]

Bangladeshi private yards are not totally inexperienced in terms of builds. So level of ToT probably doesn't need to be that deep.

Some recent builds by Western Marine for example.....

This is from one of our three naval yards....

 

[pr1v4t33r]

I wish Indonesia participated in our Frigate program, it would save so much of our money. As far as unofficial source, chinese Type54B frigate version is leading with $400million price tag. By the end of April, it be will finalizedView attachment 455950

Frigate is a different story. What really count are the weapon system, radars and electronics. You would want to get the best, and they are all expensive. For OPV, primary consideration is the hull while those expensive equipments are secondary, so we can reduce the price.

Bangladeshi private yards are not totally inexperienced in terms of builds. So level of ToT probably doesn't need to be that deep. This is from one of our three naval yards....

Looks good. Maybe BD don't need ToT afterall. Just buy the license to build them yourself in BD shipyard if you plan to have those OPV in large number.

 

[Bilal9]

I wish Indonesia participated in our Frigate program, it would save so much of our money.
As far as unofficial source, chinese Type54B frigate version is leading with $400million price tag.
By the end of April, it be will finalized
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The Indonesian frigate program itself is from a modified Damen design. So Damen's IP and cost will be incurred nonetheless if we choose Indonesian frigate design (Sigma Frigate 10514) which - if you look at the design is smaller than what we have planned (3500~4000 tons).

Also - China itself has deeply entrenched and economical backward linkages (as @Bilal Khan (Quwa) bhai had stated recently) which will be critical for Frigate design, signals suite and weapons suite integration etc. etc.

For the OPV program, as @pr1v4t33r stated, Indonesia owns the IP but to source marine grade ship plate, some radar components and basic weapons, we still have to source those from China as we are standardized on Chinese weapons unlike Indonesia. Anyway I think our two govts. will be able to work something out.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

The Indonesian frigate program itself is from a modified Damen design. So Damen's IP and cost will be incurred nonetheless if we choose Indonesian frigate design (Sigma Frigate 10514) which - if you look at the design is smaller than what we have planned (3500~4000 tons).

SIGMA program is the first step we take to acquire the know how to build proper frigate and get ToT on modern naval shipbuilding in general which is quite a success. From this program we are able to design and build various naval vessels like missile boat and OPV ourself.

The next step for Indonesia is to design and build heavy frigate, quite similar to your frigate program. Our target is Iver Huitfeldt class frigate or something equal. Our budget for 2 units is $USD 750 million.

 

[UKBengali]

I wish Indonesia participated in our Frigate program, it would save so much of our money.
As far as unofficial source, chinese Type54B frigate version is leading with $400million price tag.
By the end of April, it be will finalized
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I want to know if the Type-054B has the standard VLS cells from Type-052D and Type-055 destroyers. If it does then the whole array of medium-range SAM(HQ-16X), long-range SAM(HQ-9X), anti-ship cruise missile, land-attack cruise missiles and anti-sub torpedoes will be available to this ship.

 

[bdslph]

Just waiting until this product grab the most market share in Bd and South Asia as in US, Europe, Middle east and Africa. One of the most recognized Indonesian product on earth maybe....

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at last long waiting Indonesia produces good products
we should buy and also do TOT with them

ABOUT THE NOODLES Filipinos love its and as well me too every day no indomei not a good day to start hahahahah sadly other flavor not available only spicy and non spicy

 

[TopCat]

Deal including ToT usually cost significantly higher though..

Actually we have OPV built in BD with TOT from China costs us significantly lower.
The whole reason we are building them here is to reduce the cost instead of building them in China.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Actually we have OPV built in BD with TOT from China costs us significantly lower. The whole reason we are building them here is to reduce the cost instead of building them in China.

Durjoy class? or Padma class?
Any number to share?

 

[bluesky]

You keep saying it, but it never happens lol. Export is staying at 6 billion USD from India to BD and BD is stagnant at around 600 million dollar level in reverse....for last 3 years. A nice factor of 10.

This is only because India restricts our exports. India knows that its shoddy/raddi goods cannot compete with the international quality BD goods even in its own market. Open the market and see the result. India is not following the free and fair trade policy vis-a-vis Bangladesh. Lol------

 

[Bilal9]

I want to know if the Type-054B has the standard VLS cells from Type-052D and Type-055 destroyers. If it does then the whole array of medium-range SAM(HQ-16X), long-range SAM(HQ-9X), anti-ship cruise missile, land-attack cruise missiles and anti-sub torpedoes will be available to this ship.

You are right as you confirmed in that other thread. But 054B will displace 5000 tonnes. If we are fixated on that - that would be great news. But what I've read - they may be planning on a platform a step smaller (about 3500+ tonnes)?

Re: Indonesian large frigate plans, Iver Huitfeldt class ($325 million a copy as built in Denmark) has Mk. 41 VLS fitted as well (see below for VLS being lowered into second ship of that class), but being that Lockheed-Martin makes it, that may have strings attached so may be problematic for Bangladesh....

Durjoy class? or Padma class?
Any number to share?

Durjoy class is 650 tonne ASW LPC (2 built locally and 2 planned). Padma Class is 350 tonne IPV (lightly armed. 5 built locally and at least fifteen more planned, probably twenty more). None of these are OPV's.

However OPV's are being built in one of our naval yards (steel was cut, keel laid for first batch etc.). Being built in batches of two.

 

[Svantana]

Maybe Bangladesh Navy interested in LPD/LST procurement for military and humanitarian aid?

The Makassar class is a class of 4 Landing Platform Docks designed for the Indonesian Navy by Daesun Shipbuilding & Engineering Co. of South Korea and based on the earlier Tanjung Dalpele class. The US$150 million contract was signed in December 2004[3] and the first two units were built in Busan, South Korea. The remaining two were built at Indonesia's PT PAL shipyard in Surabaya with assistance from Daesun.

The Philippine Navy selected a variant of the Makassar class design from PT PAL, called the Tarlac-class for its Strategic Sealift Vessel (SSV) programme following competitive bidding in 2013, and the contract for two units was signed on 23 January 2014.The first unit was laid down at Surabaya on 22 January 2015.

KRI DR SOEHARSO (Daesun Korea)

KRI SURABAYA (Daesun Korea)

KRI BANDA ACEH (tot Korea-Indonesia) built in PT PAL Indonesia

Tarlac Class
BRP Tarlac (601) for Philippine Navy
Builders: PT PAL, Surabaya, Indonesia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makassar-class_landing_platform_dock


LANDING SHIP TANK (LST)
KRI TELUK BINTUNI

 

[Nilgiri]

This is only because India restricts our exports. India knows that its shoddy/raddi goods cannot compete with the international quality BD goods even in its own market. Open the market and see the result. India is not following the free and fair trade policy vis-a-vis Bangladesh. Lol------

BD makes nothing of value and we are not about to give you some LDC preferential tariff that you cling onto for every other market for your chaddi rona. Sod off.....and enjoy staying half as productive as us loser (and you ran away from the fact check lol):

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/gdp-...september-quarter.531069/page-4#post-10056012

Given Indonesia imports even less fraction (of what they export to you) from you lot, are you going to cry they are "restricting your exports" too? LOL @madokafc

 

[UKBengali]

BD makes nothing of value and we are not about to give you some LDC preferential tariff that you cling onto for every other market for your chaddi rona. Sod off.....and enjoy staying half as productive as us loser (and you ran away from the fact check lol):

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/gdp-...september-quarter.531069/page-4#post-10056012

Given Indonesia imports even less fraction (of what they export to you) from you lot, are you going to cry they are "restricting your exports" too? LOL @madokafc

Yeah right loser.

Why impose tariffs on BD goods if you think BD cannot compete?

Open you garments, pharmaceutical and electronics industries and see how much Indian consumers will benefit from lower prices with quality equal to or better than Indian companies.

 

[Nilgiri]

Why impose tariffs on BD goods if you think BD cannot compete?

This is a BD specific thing? What we have determined for RMG tarrif is our own business and it applies to all countries.

If BD wants to cry about it, go cry about it at WTO. Did you even file a complaint yet lol. Dat BD backbone.

I'm serious though, they actually have higher chance of listening to you in first place than all other fora you are crying at (like say with Rohingya). If you don't file, thats our fault suddenly? LOL.

Its ok maybe you will finally file something when we shove your illegals back to your squatter swamp nation....and can get smacked anyway by WTO lol.

Open you garments, pharmaceutical and electronics industries and see how much Indian consumers will benefit from lower prices with quality equal to or better than Indian companies.

First give us the amounts you are exporting of "pharma" and "electronics" in lower import tariff countries. In one year is it even a days export of say just ICT from India? I mean lets not compare apples and swamp-nuggets k?

Again you dont even register to begin with (please show me where you do if you can):

http://www.worldstopexports.com/drugs-medicine-exports-country/

http://www.worldstopexports.com/category/products/electronics/

....we are not dropping squat when they are not designed with zero-desh in mind in first place.

Now go ahead and focus on getting to 10k level output per worker....thanks.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Just waiting until this product grab the most market share in Bd and South Asia as in US, Europe, Middle east and Africa. One of the most recognized Indonesian product on earth maybe....

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Just waiting until this product grab the most market share in Bd and South Asia as in US, Europe, Middle east and Africa. One of the most recognized Indonesian product on earth maybe....

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Donna about others but these have cult status in Middle East, compared to cocola cooked noodles or maggi ones in bd, this is waaaayyyyy better.