Indonesia gets US nod for F-15 and F-18 fighter jet purchases

[White and Green with M/S]

Yeah me, did you ever start a thread on Xinjiang?

And why don't you ever starts a thread on Kashmir issue, and lots members already started lot of threads on Xinjiang issue, so why me

 

[Place Of Space]

No we have access to open media, you have access to the great firewall, there's a difference.

use your feet, eyes, fuking indiot, live there one year, 10 year...

 

[striver44]

use your feet, eyes, fuking indiot, live there one year, 10 year...

There's a chance I could be another Michael Kovrig, no thanks.

China has a hostage diplomacy, I've read somewhere

And why don't you ever starts a thread on Kashmir issue, and lots members already started lot of threads on Xinjiang issue, so why me

Yes could you tell me what happens to them? Banned like @fisher1 ?

 

[White and Green with M/S]

There's a chance I could be another Michael Kovrig, no thanks.

China has a hostage diplomacy, I've read somewhere

Yes could you tell me what happens to them? Banned like @fisher1 ?

This is PAKISTANI DEFENSE FORUM dude, lots of people started on threads on Kashmir issue and they are still unbanned, go get the hike

 

[Place Of Space]

There's a chance I could be another Michael Kovrig, no thanks.

China has a hostage diplomacy, I've read somewhere

Yes could you tell me what happens to them? Banned like @fisher1 ?

you read a lot, you lack actual experiences

 

[antonius123]

what's to know? x band is 8 to 12 ghz, you need x band to target track.
Yes AESA radar is capable of frequency agility, but the range of frequencies and power is dictated by number of T/R modules, power and size of the antenna. Remember I said size is important, the small antenna on the PL 15 plus the power and compute resource in a small frame is the limiting factor. This is why the S 400 is far more lethal than the R-77, larger antenna means more real estate for a larger electronic brian.

In most cases jamming mid course updates is usually more than enough to defeat the missile. In all this you have to remember that missile launch (plume) and missile exhaust can be tracked by both radar and IR sensor, the greater this distance the easier it is to defeat the missile.

Still there are billion frequency there in the narrow band to be jammed, so since when jamming multi frequency in a band could be effective? also energy supplied to the jammer will not be sufficient either. Your huge jammer still can't even defeat signal from small antena if you can't determine frequency to be jammed.

You could argue that the lock on jam makes all this redundant, once again at greater distance the jamming platform has plenty of time to employ a variety of tactics to defeat the missile.

This is only your wishful thinking. If it is easy to jamm an AESA, then nobody will pursue AESA development.

Of course there is variety of tactic to defeat a missile, and I didn't said PL15 is undefeatable. I am showing you the edge of PL15 that your AMRAAM doesn't have.

 

[Microsoft]

Ironically, our rearmament program was expedited to deal with Chinese intrusion in our EEZ.

We're not planning to challenge any of our immediate ASEAN or Pacific neighbours, we're only trying to keep up with the times in terms of military capability.

Could start an arms race though. Are any Indonesian neighbors insecure?

 

[dbc]

Of course there is variety of tactic to defeat a missile, and I didn't said PL15 is undefeatable. I am showing you the edge of PL15 that your AMRAAM doesn't have.

AMRAAM is acknowledged as being one of the smartest AAM in operation. Of course, many countries operate this missile and have used it in anger and tested it extensively against maneuvering fighter targets F-4 Phantom and F-16 (google OF-16).
So we know a lot about the AMRAAM.

May be the PL15 is better or may be its not - only the PLAAF know. Longer range in my opinion is not really an advantage against agile fighters. Against lumbering bombers, AWACS etc.. yes, against these type of targets longer reach matters.

 

[dbc]

Still there are billion frequency

No its not...billions. The sweet spot for target tracking is X band anything higher and the range suffers anything lower and the refresh rate suffers.

 

[antonius123]

AMRAAM is acknowledged as being one of the smartest AAM in operation. Of course, many countries operate this missile and have used it in anger and tested it extensively against maneuvering fighter targets F-4 Phantom and F-16 (google OF-16).
So we know a lot about the AMRAAM.

May be the PL15 is better or may be its not - only the PLAAF know. Longer range in my opinion is not really an advantage against agile fighters. Against lumbering bombers, AWACS etc.. yes, against these type of targets longer reach matters.

China has good reputation on her missile technology and accuracy, Turkey has proved it by selecting HQ-9 over S-300 and US' PAC in technical stage due to it's accuracy. So do not assume that AMRAAM is the best in term of accuracy and agility.

Longer missile is not necessarily less agile, it depend on the control surface it has and if it has TVC it will be much improved in agility. Meteor is also longer missile but has very high "no escape zone".

No its not...billions. The sweet spot for target tracking is X band anything higher and the range suffers anything lower and the refresh rate suffers.

8 - 13 giga heartz. Giga means billion.

So there are 5 billions frequency in X band.

 

[dbc]

China has good reputation on her missile technology and accuracy, Turkey has proved it by selecting HQ-9 over S-300 and US' PAC in technical stage due to it's accuracy. So do not assume that AMRAAM is the best in term of accuracy and agility.

Longer missile is not necessarily less agile, it depend on the control surface it has and if it has TVC it will be much improved in agility. Meteor is also longer missile but has very high "no escape zone".


8 - 13 giga heartz. Giga means billion.

So there are 5 billions frequency in X band.

AMRAAM is the most proven AAM and it has evolved over many decades. Like I said earlier, may be PL 15 is superior - but we can't be sure because there isn't any data - not in the public domain, nor from being used in battle or from independent verification. I thought Turkey went for S400, does that imply HQ-9 isn't as good as S400. Turkey wanted full transfer of technology, something the US wasn't prepared to give. Don't draw conclusion from weapons purchase, political considerations often drive the choice of a weapons system purchase.

Giga Hz means a billion wave oscillations per second - it certainly does not imply there are 5 billion frequencies in the X band.

 

[antonius123]

AMRAAM is the most proven AAM and it has evolved over many decades. Like I said earlier, may be PL 15 is superior - but we can't be sure because there isn't any data - not in the public domain, nor from being used in battle or from independent verification. I thought Turkey went for S400, does that imply HQ-9 isn't as good as S400. Turkey wanted full transfer of technology, something the US wasn't prepared to give. Don't draw conclusion from weapons purchase, political considerations often drive the choice of a weapons system purchase.

We can assume S400 is better than HQ-9, but the reason Turkey go for S-400 is because US pressured Turkey to drop deal with China and go for PAC; then later on Turkey get dissappointed because no transfer of technology included in the deal, therefore finally she went for S-400.

I was saying US PAC compared with China's HQ-9. Turkey went for HQ-9 not because of commercial but technical consideration based on rigid test.

Giga Hz means a billion wave oscillations per second - it certainly does not imply there are 5 billion frequencies in the X band.

1 Hz difference is already different frequency, so the consequence of Gigaheartz band is giga frequency with difference 1 Hz each.

 

[striver44]

Could start an arms race though. Are any Indonesian neighbors insecure?

Relax, ASEAN generally trust us. So do Australia these days.

 

[Mista]

It is most urgent for us now to have weaponry that can balance [the power] against red dot countries near us

Wait wut?

 

[striver44]

Wait wut?

oh, I just figure that out.