Indonesia explores possibility of obtaining US aid to finance base in South China Sea

[Nike]

LOL, indos brag too much like indians. perhaps you guys are the same people?

Natuna island is mainly Malay population. Why is it indo territory? Can any Malaysian answer this? @powastick

brag? u can say that, but the stark reality still remains. Just adding us to become ur enemies and ur country will be sealed off for good.

U should read a lot about Malay races history, Malay people hailing from two places, first Malays islands which came from Riau and Riau Islands area and Malay persekutuan which hailing from Malay peninsula. Natuna Islands is much populated by people who came from the Island and ethnic Chinese descent who had pledged their Nationality to Indonesia since War of Independence

 

[UKBengali]

brag? u can say that, but the stark reality still remains. Just adding us to become ur enemies and ur country will be sealed off for good.

U should read a lot about Malay races history, Malay people hailing from two places, first Malays islands which came from Riau and Riau Islands area and Malay persekutuan which hailing from Malay peninsula. Natuna Islands is much populated by people who came from the Island and ethnic Chinese descent who had pledged their Nationality to Indonesia since War of Independence

Yes, no-one can "seal off" a 1.3 billion+ developed nation. It will steam-roller anything and anyone before it.

Just think a little more before you write.

 

[UKBengali]

Huh.....I don't think being of Chinese descent means automatically being a Chinese ally.(if anything it's often the opposite). UKRAINE and Georgia for example can also be considered being of Russian descent(once even a part of Russia), but they are not exactly fond of Russia. So I don't believe being of similar descent automatically means you will be allies. Same as Taiwan not being a Chinese ally(instead a major U.S ally) despite being 100% of Chinese descent. Geo-politics doesn't works that way unfortunately.

Singapore shouldn't have let/invited U.S and U.K access to its naval base as our royal navy ships use Singapore changing base under the British led 5 Defence power agreement , while the US Navy uses Singapore's naval facilities for logistics and re-supply of its vast naval fleet in South Asia/Malacca Straits. Don't think it was a good move to antagonise China especially vis a vis the US, since U.K and China don't have much conflict of interests thus our presence won't cause any concern.But not so for the U.S who is a rival to China.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changi_Naval_Base

The U.S navy has already basically surrounded Asia Pacific and SEA with military bases and logistics supply bases(India will soon be another addition.) From Japan, to Taiwan, to Philippines, to Guam, to Singapore to Australia to South Korea , to maybe soon even Vietnam etc etc. They simply have too many allies in the region, adding Indonesia(SEA largest country and economic power) will be another nightmare for China's aspiration to break off the first and second island chain and gain some strategic space for its naval operations in its own Asian region and will ensure U.S continous naval domination of Asia. So I believe China should seek to pull Indonesia on its side at least to remain neutral. You can't be a rising power surrounded by Hostile countries. Complicate things alot.

300 million US has no chance against 1.3 billion Chinese in the long term.

It is like saying Holland can take on Germany.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

LOL, indos brag too much like indians.
Natuna island is mainly Malay population. Why is it indo territory?

What is this clown blabbering about. Go stick your nose on your own problems. What Indonesia do with Natuna is our own bussiness. China can watch and take note from afar!

 

[Nike]

Yes, no-one can "seal off" a 1.3 billion+ developed nation. It will steam-roller anything and anyone before it.

Just think a little more before you write.

the 1,3 billion people had India, Vietnam, Japan already on their bookmark, they should avoid to taking a quarter billion people on their new list.

Indonesia is no yes man like poor BD

 

[Nike]

y change the topic away from me being a false flagger?

ah cute of u, why not u prove otherwise?

300 million US has no chance against 1.3 billion Chinese in the long term.

It is like saying Holland can take on Germany.

meh, in the past China being stream rolled by people who had less man power than her

 

[UKBengali]

the 1,3 billion people had India, Vietnam, Japan already on their bookmark, they should avoid to taking a quarter billion people on their new list.

Indonesia is no yes man like poor BD

Let us go through your list:

Japan - 1/10 the the population of China and does not have access to the best weapons.
India - poor country that has to import nearly all it's weapons
Vietnam - poor country that cannot afford to import weapons that it needs

Indonesians are not exactly known for their military prowess.

I am sure that the Chinese are shaking in their boots at the countries lining up against them.

meh, in the past China being stream rolled by people who had less man power than her

That is when China was at it's weakest, It is now much stronger and will get even stronger in future.
Your multi-ethnic state is too fragile to even think about foreign adventures as you need you worry about
more of your country going independent like East Timor.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Indonesia is nothing without the Chinese, if you are not an ethnic Chinese yourself, u will NEVER understand the cultural and genetic loyalty of the Overseas Chinese.

meh, who cares!

Anyway, back to topic. Natuna will have its military infrastructure and facilities upgraded and will be ready by 2018.

 

[Jlaw]

brag? u can say that, but the stark reality still remains. Just adding us to become ur enemies and ur country will be sealed off for good.

U should read a lot about Malay races history, Malay people hailing from two places, first Malays islands which came from Riau and Riau Islands area and Malay persekutuan which hailing from Malay peninsula. Natuna Islands is much populated by people who came from the Island and ethnic Chinese descent who had pledged their Nationality to Indonesia since War of Independence

LOL, vietnam and PH did the same thing trying to mess with the dragon. Eventually they realized it's a bad mistake. Luckily for VN, they are more civilized than some people due to Confucian value so they rather work with the dragon.

 

[Nike]

Since this is getting addictive(simply becos it's so darn EASY to find large Chinese Indonesian conglomerates) and i have nothing better to do at home now after getting back from work:

Gudang Garam :

Surya Wonowidjojo
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Surya Wonowidjojo (15 August 1923 – 29 August 1985) was an Indonesian businessman.

Wonowidjojo, sometimes spelt Wonowidjoyo, was a Chinese Indonesian (Hokchia totok) born Tjoa Ing Hwie or Tjoa Jien Hwie (traditional Chinese: 蔡雲輝; simplified Chinese: 蔡云辉; pinyin: Cài Yúnhuī;[1] Hokkien:Chhoà Ûn-hui) in Yinxi (音西), Fuqing in Fujian Province, China.[1] He was the founder of Gudang Garam, a major Indonesian kretek (clove cigarette) manufacturer, and father of billionaire Rachman Halim.[1]

Wonowidjojo's family first migrated to Sampang, Madura when Surya was four years old. When his father died, he moved to Kediri, East Java where he worked for his uncle who was a kretek manufacturer.[1]

Wonowidjojo founded Gudang Garam in Kediri in 1958 and headed the company until handing control to his son in 1984.[1]

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that's how dumbfounded-ly -refuted people react when presented with massive evidence contrary to his own contradicting arguements.

http://www.forbes.com/profile/hartono/?list=asia-families

Robert Budi Hartono
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This is a Chinese Indonesian name; the family name is Hartono.

This article contains Chinese text.Without proper rendering support, you may see question marks, boxes, or other symbols instead ofChinese characters.
Robert Budi Hartono
黃惠忠[1]
Born 1940
Semarang, Central Java
Residence Kudus, Indonesia
Ethnicity Han Chinese
Citizenship Indonesian
Alma mater Diponegoro University
Occupation Owner, Djarum
Net worth US$8.5 billion (June 2015)[2]
Children 3
Robert Budi Hartono
(Chinese Indonesian name)
Traditional Chinese 黃惠忠
Simplified Chinese 黄惠忠
Hanyu Pinyin Huáng Huìzhōng
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Robert Budi Hartono (traditional Chinese: 黃惠忠; simplified Chinese: 黄惠忠; pinyin: Huáng Huìzhōng; Hokkien: Oei Hwie Tjong;[1] born in 1940) is a Chinese Indonesian tobacco billionaire with a 2015 net worth of US$9.1 billion.[2] He owns and runs the privately held Djarum, the world's third largest maker of clove cigarettes. Djarum has reportedly recently grabbed shares from the number two cigarette firm, Sampoerna. Budi Hartono also has a stake with his brother, Michael Bambang Hartono in one of Indonesia's biggest banks, Bank Central Asia, formerly controlled by billionaire Liem Sioe Liong. In 2009, Budi Hartono's net worth reportedly reached US$4.7 billion and he was nominated as the richest Indonesian while Liem Sioe Liong was in 3rd place.



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dont u see the big bold parts they chose Indonesian name over their Chinese names, they chose to staying in Indonesia even after 98 debacle and retain their Indonesia Nationality? they are Indonesia

LOL, vietnam and PH did the same thing trying to mess with the dragon. Eventually they realized it's a bad mistake. Luckily for VN, they are more civilized than some people due to Confucian value so they rather work with the dragon.

work like what happened in your brief war, and oil rig disputes

 

[pr1v4t33r]

lol, no need to argue with false flagger

By the end of the day, Indonesian will act to serve its national interest first.

Let's back to the topic in hand. Natuna will be upgraded and it's completely smart to have US support in the process.

 

[flamer84]

300 million US has no chance against 1.3 billion Chinese in the long term.

It is like saying Holland can take on Germany.

You fail at understanding what a superpower is.First,and this is a golden rule,no trouble in your neighborhood! The US might have 300 million citizens but in its backyard,it's unchallenged,sleeping well at night with the likes of Canada,Mexico,leaving it to project power throughout the world.It has 2 obedient neighbours while the ones you're rooting for (China and Russia) are struggling in their own backyard.It's hard to be superpower worldwide when you're struggling at your own borders.Understand the game.

 

[GerhardA]

300 million US has no chance against 1.3 billion Chinese in the long term.

It is like saying Holland can take on Germany.

Dumbest statement ever. You really think 1.3 billion chinese stand a chance against half of the world? You're nuts.