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KRI IRIAN 201

I really hope that this beast goes head to head against Dutch carrier group, sadly the dutch quickly evacuated their carrier from West Papua.

 

[striver44]

 

[NKRI]

I really hope that this beast goes head to head against Dutch carrier group, sadly the dutch quickly evacuated their carrier from West Papua.

with this too
Whiskey Class

Tu-16

 

[Nike]

US supports Indonesia`s maritime policy
Kamis, 26 Januari 2017 22:05 WIB - 0 Views

Jakarta (ANTARA News) - The government of the United States supports Indonesias maritime policy, US Ambassador to Indonesia Joseph R. Donovan Jr. has said.

"We discussed strategic relations between the US and Indonesia in an attempt to support Indonesias maritime policy," Joseph R. Donovan Jr. stated after a meeting with Coordinating Minister for Maritime Affairs, Luhut Binsar Panjaitan, here on Thursday.

The meeting discussed issuesrelated to fisheries, maritime and other domains.

However, the US Ambassador did not discuss any specific investment in Indonesia.

"We discussed trade and investment. I see that there is a close relationship between Indonesia and the United States in the field of aviation and power generation," he noted.

The ambassador expected that the cooperation between the two countries, especially when it comes to their strategic partnership, could be further strengthened and expanded.

On the occasion, the senior minister said the US government considers that the bilateral relations can be improved further. He added that the US assessed Indonesia as one of the largest economies in the world.

Indonesia is also considered as the largest Muslim country in the world.

"The US has interests in the South China Sea. The US has an interest in protecting us as a partner. On the other hand, China is also our good partner. But we cannot be dictated by any country, including China and the US," he affirmed.

President Joko Widodo (Jokowi), who is determined to develop Indonesia into a global maritime axis, believed that the clusters of islands and the vast waters of Indonesia can be used as one of the main axis for advancing the country.

The head of state also emphasized that the nation needs to promote its maritime identity and culture in line with its vision to become the global maritime axis.

The government, therefore, has identified the maritime sector as one of the key sectors for development.

"We have so far ignored these sectors and never gave them enough attention while the fact is that two thirds of the Indonesian territory comprises waters and it is a huge potential," he explained.

He said one way to boost the countrys economic growth was to undertake infrastructure development to ensure smooth distribution of goods by land and sea.

"We wish to start paying attention to it, develop the physical infrastructure and build shipyards since inter-connectivity among the islands is very important in addition to maritime education," he underlined.

Indonesia is one of the worlds largest maritime countries, with an estimated 5.8 million square kilometers of sea territory, while its land territory covers only 1.9 million square kilometers.

Its coastline is about 92 thousand kilometers long, making it the second-longest after Canada.

The country is the largest archipelagic nation in the world, as around 70 percent of its total territory is water, and it has 17,480 islands.(*)
Editor: Heru

COPYRIGHT © ANTARA 2017

 

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I really hope that this beast goes head to head against Dutch carrier group, sadly the dutch quickly evacuated their carrier from West Papua.

Luckily for us, it didn't happened. The sverdlov class are actually obsolete. The rusian are actually going to scrapped it if we didn't buy it. With the advent of carrier and naval air power era. A conventional/battleship era warship with its big turret and big guns like the sverdlov (kri irian) becomes irrelevant

Most people believe KRI IRIAN is feared by the dutch because it was the biggest ship in our inventory, and the soekarno government often use it as a propaganda material for the masses. Thus creating the myths that KRI Irian was so terrible and feared by the dutch and our neighbors. In reality the dutch navy, as well as the british fleet consider the Whiskey and the Badgers as the most potential threats in our inventory far more than a single sverdlov.

 

[Su-35SM3 Flanker-N]

I really hope that this beast goes head to head against Dutch carrier group, sadly the dutch quickly evacuated their carrier from West Papua.

It's a good thing, that didn't happen. KRI Irian is actually an obsolete warship in 1960's. Just a light cruiser with WW2 technology. Soviet Navy at the time used Kynda class cruiser as their most advanced warship.

Dutch S-2 Tracker aboard Karel Doorman can be equipped with bombs and torpedoes for striking ships, although it's ASW aircrafts. WW2 has taught us that air power is essential for maritime domination, so it would be much better to use Tu-16 and Il-28T against Karel Doorman, obviously with enough escort. KS-1 and RAT-52 torpedo are more effective, than 6" guns with range at only 30km.

Komar class with Styx AShM may also be used to interdict Karel Doorman battlegroup, as they can infiltrate at night time among small islands.

 

[GraveDigger388]

Stealth Unmaned Surface Vehicle Pandawa-35 developed by naval engineering college STTAL

White Bonefish. Hehe...

 

[Jakartans@PkDef]

I really hope that this beast goes head to head against Dutch carrier group, sadly the dutch quickly evacuated their carrier from West Papua.

Could be disaster for us.
Sverdlov are known for the lack of air defense weapon, and Soviet cannot fully operate them as blue water power since the ships are heavily depends on protection from land-based air defense. Even at the time when we acquire RI Irian, Soviet already start scraping this class - it was built with WW2 tech.

Not to mention our capabilities to operate in terms of combined military ops during that time still questionable.
Yes we get lots of Migs and Naval weapon but in relative short periode, i dont think the Navy back then already have a combined ops doctrine. Remember during Arafura skirmish our Air Force cannot give protection to Yos Sudarso's squad.
Without interoperability, sending RI Irian can be disastrous, she can be sitting duck target for Dutch air fleet.

With our economy condition in that era i dont think we can mobilize our 'huge' military asset to mount an open / frontal conflict with the Dutch forces in Irian. Even if we managed to do that, we cant sustain it. Still lack of logistic hub, and combined operation capability.

All these goodies back in the 60's are part of the 'Mercu Suar' policy - something for psychological effect rather than real impact on the field.

 

[Nike]

Could be disaster for us.
Sverdlov are known for the lack of air defense weapon, and Soviet cannot fully operate them as blue water power since the ships are heavily depends on protection from land-based air defense. Even at the time when we acquire RI Irian, Soviet already start scraping this class - it was built with WW2 tech.

Not to mention our capabilities to operate in terms of combined military ops during that time still questionable.
Yes we get lots of Migs and Naval weapon but in relative short periode, i dont think the Navy back then already have a combined ops doctrine. Remember during Arafura skirmish our Air Force cannot give protection to Yos Sudarso's squad.
Without interoperability, sending RI Irian can be disastrous, she can be sitting duck target for Dutch air fleet.

With our economy condition in that era i dont think we can mobilize our 'huge' military asset to mount an open / frontal conflict with the Dutch forces in Irian. Even if we managed to do that, we cant sustain it. Still lack of logistic hub, and combined operation capability.

All these goodies back in the 60's are part of the 'Mercu Suar' policy - something for psychological effect rather than real impact on the field.

actually it was blessing for us the Dutch succumbs to International pressure instead trying to defend West Papua. When we look carefully our arsenal and military composition at the times we are still at infancy stages on how to conduct large scale military operation against near peer oposition. According to my opinions, the biggest weakness we had is the lack of infrastructure support and logistic hubs. Not to mention financial constraint and severe economic conditions we had at the time limiting our options to prolonged the open conflicts in foreign territory (remember Papua at the is as foreign as Australia to us regarding the vast differences with other Indonesia provinces).

 

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The threat of "full scale war" over Netherlands New Guinea with USSR backup after Dutch destruction in WW2 was the key for our big win in diplomatic war over papua. Without that push, USA will never agree to pressure Dutch to surrender. Soekarno was a genius!

 

[GraveDigger388]

actually it was blessing for us the Dutch succumbs to International pressure instead trying to defend West Papua. When we look carefully our arsenal and military composition at the times we are still at infancy stages on how to conduct large scale military operation against near peer oposition. According to my opinions, the biggest weakness we had is the lack of infrastructure support and logistic hubs. Not to mention financial constraint and severe economic conditions we had at the time limiting our options to prolonged the open conflicts in foreign territory (remember Papua at the is as foreign as Australia to us regarding the vast differences with other Indonesia provinces).

True that..
Not to mention inter-branch communication and interoperability issues.

 

[striver44]

credit to penkostrad

 

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"Black Panther" No.12 Squadron

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Entebbe Operation style - Paskhas, IAF. Image credit to Jeff Prananda.