Indonesia Defence Forum

[kooppyyy]

Its not just that, let me introduce to one of F-35 advanced feature ALIS (Autonomic Logistics Information System). You can check it out here
https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/products/autonomic-logistics-information-system-alis.html

It sounds good for maintenance purposes right? But hold on a sec check out the bold word;
" ALIS integrates a broad range of capabilities including operations, maintenance, prognostics, supply chain, customer support services, training and technical data. A single, secure information environment provides users with up-to-date information on any of these areas using web-enabled applications on a distributed network "

ALIS is pretty broken atm, most still rely on GD's GTIMS. Beside it's due to be replaced by ODIN in 2022.

There are some rumour that this sytems also store any mission information systems operated by any F-35 fighter who conected to ALIS. We know that F-35 featured great camera systems right? So any mission, any where in the world can be logged and see by the US? Another hegemony program by US? No formal confirmation information about this feature but surely something that we must be aware of.

AFAIK, that's not how it works. It's smiliar with Tesla's car cloud software that provide over-the-air updaets, remote diagnostics, and support that connects directly to Tesla's service centre. The software in the car registers the input from the driver using the steering wheel, gas pedal, and all the rest and then tells the other digital controllers of the various parts to record the state of your car. While the car software has GPS application on it, however It won't let the service centre know that you've been visiting that Thai adult massage parlour on Friday evening. As with it ALIS won't directly upload a specifics country's F-35 information into the cloud, instead each country has a central point of entry, that is available to be share with LM. This is my understanding of the system.

 

[Nike]

Asien-Deal: So will Tanner Eurofighter loswerden

Zum ersten Mal nimmt Verteidigungsministerin Klaudia Tanner (ÖVP) zu dem Kaufinteresse Indonesiens an unseren 15 Eurofightern offiziell Stellung - ...

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Austria Defense minister ready to talk with Indonesia

09/06/2020 2:24 PM
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Asia Deal: This is how Tanner wants to get rid of Eurofighter

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  Mail to Indonesia: Will our 15 jets soon be flying over Southeast Asia?
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For the first time, Defense Minister Klaudia Tanner (ÖVP) has officially commented on Indonesia's interest in buying our 15 Eurofighters - and wants to enter into specific sales negotiations with her counterpart Prabowo Subianto. In the background, however, the General Staff is examining how the surprise deal with Indonesia could go ahead.
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What began two months ago with a mysterious letter from Indonesia is now developing into Austria's best chance to actually get rid of the unloved Eurofighters : Minister Klaudia Tanner has now replied to her Indonesian counterpart Prabowo Subianto for the first time and announced that she wants to enter into specific sales negotiations with him . At the same time, she ordered her General Staff to prepare everything for the recommended sale. In the direction of Indonesia it was said: "We are happy to accept your interest in purchasing the fifteen Austrian Eurofighters to modernize your air fleet."

 

[san.geuk]

how the MoD will convincing the DPR about this purchase? there's also "pengamat militer" who will question his step? making noise in media

 

[NEKONEKO]

KFX, F16, F35, SU 35, Typhoon.

Mumet.

Idk anymore and can't predict what will happen, drop SU35 and get Typhoon and get F16v?

 

[¿Por qué?]

there we go ....

Austria hopeful of Indonesia buying 15 Typhoon jet fighters

It was pointed out that buying Austrian Typhoons would violate Law No. 16/2012 on the defense industry.

www.thejakartapost.com

Austria hopeful of Indonesia buying 15 Typhoon jet fighters Novan Iman Santosa The Jakarta Post PREMIUM Jakarta / Mon, September 7, 2020 / 07:21 am New fighter: The first Austrian military fighter jet Eurofighter Typhoon lands at the military airport in the small Styrian village of Zeltweg on July 12, 2007.(Reuters/Leonhard Foeger)
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http://alert5.com/2020/09/07/austri...th-indonesia-for-the-sale-of-15-eurofighters/

Austria will enter negotiations with Indonesia for the sale of 15 Eurofighters
Posted on September 7, 2020
Austria’s Defense Minister Klaudia Tanner has officially responded to Indonesia’s request to buy 15 Eurofighters from her country.


Tanner said she had directed the General Staff to prepare for negotiations with Jakarta.
She said the “exit from the Eurofighter system” is the declared goal and the sale is in the best interest of taxpayers.
Two options are available for the sale to proceed. First, the Eurofighter consortium will have to issue a end user certificate to Indonesia and Austria will sell the jets directly to Indonesia. Alternatively, Airbus will buy back the planes, upgrade them and sell them to the South East Asian nation instead.

Nice

 

[kooppyyy]

how the MoD will convincing the DPR about this purchase? there's also "pengamat militer" who will question his step? making noise in media

My best bet is they will lean on the point that the refurbishment and upgrades of those jets will be done by DI? (If there rumour were true anyway)

 

[Chestnut]

the Eurofighter consortium will have to issue a end user certificate to Indonesia and Austria will sell the jets directly to Indonesia.

Keep in mind this means we would have to lobby all of the EF consortium countries in order to recieve the end-user certificate.

Spain wouldn't be much of a problem as they were the ones adamantly pushing for Airbus to allow EF manufacturing here and win the initial F-5 replacement competition. And I doubt Italy would object to an Indonesian EF purchase. But when it comes to Germany and the UK that might be a different story.

 

[umigami]

there we go ....

Austria hopeful of Indonesia buying 15 Typhoon jet fighters

It was pointed out that buying Austrian Typhoons would violate Law No. 16/2012 on the defense industry.

www.thejakartapost.com

Austria hopeful of Indonesia buying 15 Typhoon jet fighters Novan Iman Santosa The Jakarta Post PREMIUM Jakarta / Mon, September 7, 2020 / 07:21 am New fighter: The first Austrian military fighter jet Eurofighter Typhoon lands at the military airport in the small Styrian village of Zeltweg on July 12, 2007.(Reuters/Leonhard Foeger)
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http://alert5.com/2020/09/07/austri...th-indonesia-for-the-sale-of-15-eurofighters/

Austria will enter negotiations with Indonesia for the sale of 15 Eurofighters
Posted on September 7, 2020
Austria’s Defense Minister Klaudia Tanner has officially responded to Indonesia’s request to buy 15 Eurofighters from her country.


Tanner said she had directed the General Staff to prepare for negotiations with Jakarta.
She said the “exit from the Eurofighter system” is the declared goal and the sale is in the best interest of taxpayers.
Two options are available for the sale to proceed. First, the Eurofighter consortium will have to issue a end user certificate to Indonesia and Austria will sell the jets directly to Indonesia. Alternatively, Airbus will buy back the planes, upgrade them and sell them to the South East Asian nation instead.

In a week
First viper order got shrink and shrink and shrink because "GA DA DUIT, RESESI BOS!", though they'll mix it with falcon EDA.
and Sudently rumor said "forget about Vipers, Lightning ALL THE WAY!!!"
And now THIS...

gile beneeer.....

 

[Alex898]

ahhh finally a premium class fighter. I just hope they upgraded it first. if we dont get the F35, at least buy more of this typhoon in the future.

 

[foodsoldier]

Considering the escalation in SCS, Typhoon is a must have interim heavy fighter. It's like buying insurance, you'll never now whether you'll need it or not.

But anyway, if the price is around 750 million Euro (including upgrade and offset), it is damn cheap and we should go for it without hesitation.

 

[¿Por qué?]

Considering the escalation in SCS, Typhoon is a must have interim heavy fighter. It's like buying insurance, you'll never now whether you'll need it or not.

But anyway, if the price is around 750 million Euro (including upgrade and offset), it is damn cheap and we should go for it without hesitation.

May I know where do you get this €750 million info from?

ahhh finally a premium class fighter. I just hope they upgraded it first. if we dont get the F35, at least buy more of this typhoon in the future.

Yes, indeed.

If this deal goes through, then suddenly Germany, Spain, Italy, and UK have the potential "penadah" for their old Typhoon.

There are more than 60 old Typhoon for sale soon. The Germans themselves have around 35 that they want to replace. We can easily build so many squadrons of Eurofighters acting as the sole "penadah" for this jet

As long as the price is right.

 

[Cromwell]

Back in 2012 Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron endorsed the sales up to 24 Eurofighter to Indonesia, idk whether current Conservative lead Government under Prime Minister Borris Johnson will continue the policies of his predecessor yet we should remember we're having problems when Labour is in power not Conservative the same way Democrats to Republican in US. It depends on lobbies on UK but idk about strict Germany, they're less compromising. I blame the whole situation to previous Minister of Defence as he refused to sign any major arms contract leading to this Interim Programme. This thing is really complicated, not only we ought to secure licences from European Consortium nations but also the amount of price for us to have Airbus upgrade them before sold to us, not to mention the cost on introducing new infrastructure on this, the training cost, and this fighter notoriously known costly to operate & maintenance. When nations are simplifying their military forces, we diversify things yet in small number, perfect recipee for logistic disaster, idk what irrational thoughts leading to some people overjoy about this, i'm not

 

[Cromwell]

Another thing these whole 15 units Austrian EF Tranche 1 Block 5 are single seater, no double seater for training role like F-16 BM & F-16 D, we will have more trouble on this part should the plan goes ahead, i just wish another interest groups in House of Representatives roast Minister of Defence in Q&A section thus obstructing this

 

[san.geuk]

Back in 2012 Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron endorsed the sales up to 24 Eurofighter to Indonesia, idk whether current Conservative lead Government under Prime Minister Borris Johnson will continue the policies of his predecessor yet we should remember we're having problems when Labour is in power not Conservative the same way Democrats to Republican in US. It depends on lobbies on UK but idk about strict Germany, they're less compromising. I blame the whole situation to previous Minister of Defence as he refused to sign any major arms contract leading to this Interim Programme. This thing is really complicated, not only we ought to secure licences from European Consortium nations but also the amount of price for us to have Airbus upgrade them before sold to us, not to mention the cost on introducing new infrastructure on this, the training cost, and this fighter notoriously known costly to operate & maintenance. When nations are simplifying their military forces, we diversify things yet in small number, perfect recipee for logistic disaster, idk what irrational thoughts leading to some people overjoy about this, i'm not

well at least something has positive feedback, better than nothing altought is not ideal in my opinion, afaik typhoon can use same arsenal like us made fighter and PT DI will have potential to involves in upgrades project, when kfx still in long way and uncertain, rafale and seagle to pricey, shornet should be consideration to pick

 

[¿Por qué?]

Tanggung! While we're at it, ask France if they'd sell some of their used Armee de l'Air Rafale to us like they do Greece.