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Distribution plan for the upcoming Leopard Tanks into Army cavalry battalions

Total : 103 units

1st Cavalry Battalion 'Badak Ceta Sakti', Cijantung - Jakarta (Kostrad's 1st Division)
- Leopard 2A4 : 13 units
- Leopard 2 RI : 28 units

8th Cavalary Battalion 'Narasinga Wiratama', Beji - Pasuruan (Kostrad's 2nd Division)
- Leopard 2A4 : 28 units
- Leopard 2 RI : 13 units

Army Cavalry Training Center (Pusdikav), Padalarang, West Java
- Leopard 2A4 : 1 unit
- Leopard 2 RI : 3 units

CAMB Cavalry Company, Sentul - West Java
- Leopard 2 RI : 13 units

Cavalry Company of Combat Training Center, Baturaja
- Leopard 2 RI : 4 units

My question is, since each of the 1st and 8th Cavalry battalion will receive 41 Leopard tanks in their inventory which is a full tank battalion strength, what will happen to the current mix of Scorpion and Alvis Stormer APC in their inventory now?
Are we going to have new cavalry battalion as a new home for these active armored vehicles?
Or maybe we can use it (along with the new Marder IFV) to raise a new mechanized infantry battalion.
Anyone here have information or opinions about this?



Hmm, these young cadets may spend their days learning about naval strategy and preparing themselves to command a warship but they speak like a diplomat :)
Man you need to go for more Tanks and also Anti Tank vehicles
 
By putting our MBT in the border permanently, it can be look like we are in par with them or we are their potential enemy.....which is not a good policy politically, what we need is just to let our MBT practice there to prepare if something goes wrong in the future.
I agree with @Indos here, deploying our MBT in Malaysian border permanently will only shows that we are provoked by them.
Malaysian army have no capability of mounting 'all-out' invasion style war against us. Maximum threat is recon intrusion operation or taking over some islands and claiming more territorial waters. Best preparation is to maintain the presence of our land forces supported by sufficient artillery firepower and rapid mobile air units so our forces are able to be deployed in every hot spot faster. In other side, we must fortifying our Marine Corps position in remoted islands and maintain high alert level by patrolling the conflicted water with bigger ship not just some Somalian-Pirates style speed boats :P
 
Man you need to go for more Tanks and also Anti Tank vehicles

Dear @Zarvan , armed force development must go along with the nation's economy. and its not just about numbers since we must also calculating the efficiency of the procurement plan from budgetary view with the threat analysis. This must be done so we can build our defense without crippling our economy. Maintaining some levels of living standards for the people is also important to maintain the security of the country.
Pakistan must keep its army in such level of strength because having military threat across the border (India) and also you have to deal with lawless warlords & Talibans intrusion in western part of your country.
Indonesia is different thing. If we use the same military policy of Pakistan in building our armed forces, there will be unnecessary consequences such as creating threats to our smaller and peaceful neighbors, damaging the growth of our economy because huge amount of money will go to military procurement programs.
Developing living standard of our people is the main priority of Indonesian government right now. Leaving the people in poor condition will create internal threats and insurgencies which will grow into another military threat.

Building a huge military like Pakistan have its own consequences.
But its a MUST when dealing with the same level of external threat.
Your country are facing the 2nd largest population in the world living next door, while our country is the largest population in our region and we dont have any territorial ambition or a life-threatening situation here.
Thats why our military development program is to meet the Minimum Essential Force (read : the maximum military posture we can attain without leaving our people in poor condition to be ruled by some lawless warlords just becuase our public services cannot give them minimum standard of health, education and basic facilities).

Thats why in your point of view, our military development is just a piecemeal because you compare it with your situation.
While among the more peaceful South East Asian Nation in our region here, this 'piecemeal' development is already make them to raise their eye-brows suspecting us for having some kind of military or territorial ambition.
 
^^Couldn't agree more, with almost 1/3 of our GDP go to the infrastructure projects and the other 2/3 go to education and new social and health schemes, military is almost the last thing in our mind. The last time we had battleship, multiple destroyers and a dozen submarines force, our country was left in a devastated economic situation.
 
Dear @Zarvan , armed force development must go along with the nation's economy. and its not just about numbers since we must also calculating the efficiency of the procurement plan from budgetary view with the threat analysis. This must be done so we can build our defense without crippling our economy. Maintaining some levels of living standards for the people is also important to maintain the security of the country.
Pakistan must keep its army in such level of strength because having military threat across the border (India) and also you have to deal with lawless warlords & Talibans intrusion in western part of your country.
Indonesia is different thing. If we use the same military policy of Pakistan in building our armed forces, there will be unnecessary consequences such as creating threats to our smaller and peaceful neighbors, damaging the growth of our economy because huge amount of money will go to military procurement programs.
Developing living standard of our people is the main priority of Indonesian government right now. Leaving the people in poor condition will create internal threats and insurgencies which will grow into another military threat.

Building a huge military like Pakistan have its own consequences.
But its a MUST when dealing with the same level of external threat.
Your country are facing the 2nd largest population in the world living next door, while our country is the largest population in our region and we dont have any territorial ambition or a life-threatening situation here.
Thats why our military development program is to meet the Minimum Essential Force (read : the maximum military posture we can attain without leaving our people in poor condition to be ruled by some lawless warlords just becuase our public services cannot give them minimum standard of health, education and basic facilities).

Thats why in your point of view, our military development is just a piecemeal because you compare it with your situation.
While among the more peaceful South East Asian Nation in our region here, this 'piecemeal' development is already make them to raise their eye-brows suspecting us for having some kind of military or territorial ambition.
Sorry Sir our economy is far worse than you you have been better than for really long time Sir but don't know why you didn't focused on your forces much hope what is happening to Ukraine wakes your politicians up
 
Sorry Sir our economy is far worse than you you have been better than for really long time Sir but don't know why you didn't focused on your forces much hope what is happening to Ukraine wakes your politicians up
First, the reason our economy is better than yours is that we didnt involve in nuclear race or any prolonged war which required constant flow of huge money to the military. If our relationship with Australia is as bad as yours with India, our economy level and military policy would be the same.
If you talk about why we didnt focused on our military forces development while we have better economy and more money to spend compares to your position, i have a story to explain that. I call it "A Series of Unfortunate Events"

Lets go back to the sixties : Everything is bad. We are still very young country facing disintegration situation which required a strong military force and strong idealism and NATIONAL ISSUE to enforce the nationalism, to keep our country from falling apart.
Thats when our 1st president Soekarno declare the confrontation with Malaysia, get into shopping spree for advanced military hardware from USSR and completely neglecting the economy development.
Back then, we have the strongest Air Force and submarine squadron in Southern Hemisphere.
But we pay that short decades of having glorious and luxurios weapons with huge amount of crippling economy situation that goes into the 70's era.

In the 70's, Soekarno regime falls, but Unfortunately it leaves our Army embargoed by the Russian while suffering economy crisis. For the rest of the 70's, our armed forces lives under the mercy of our new 'big brother' -> USA. Most of our main weapons are supplied or donated by US & Western Ally.

In the 80's our economy bounced back from crisis and we live in the era of 'good life' with better education, welfare program and achieve the independency of sustainable food supply.
But Unfortunately, we cannot use our money to develop the armed force because we are very much under US control.
We cannot choose what better for our military, we buy only what we are allowed us to by.

Entering the 90's, the Cold War ends, Capitalism has defeat Communism -- the new war begins : The War for Resources.
US pulled out from Subic & Clark in Philippine and USSR leave its Camh Ran base in Vietnam.
And Unfortunately, along with the end of communist expansion threat, US didnt see Indonesia as important military partner anymore and start pressing our military with "Human Right Issue"
The Army got embargoed by US and its Western partner while Russia still struggle with economy crisis after the fall of communism and disintegration of Soviet Republic.
This leave our Army once again suffered from the lacks of spare parts, this time of US-Western Weapons they are feeding us since the 70's.
By the end of the 90's we start planing to Re-Developing of our military forces since we are free to choose the source of our military hardwares.
But Unfortunately, in 1997 Asia suffers the monetary crisis up until the first part of the 2000's

In mid 2000's with the economic situation are going up again so our government re-started the strategic plans to developing our Military Forces. Learning from the "Series of Unfortunate Events", we come to conclusion that Building Military Posture must not neglecting the economy. And now we just started with the Minimum Essential Forces Strategic Program.

We should never let this new trend of "Ukrainian Lesson' to become justification for us to build an Armed Force with hundreds of Sukhoi jets and thousand of Main Battle tanks but sacrificing the economy and leaving our people to live in poverty.
We have learned our own lesson of doing it in the 60's.
 
Sorry Sir our economy is far worse than you you have been better than for really long time Sir but don't know why you didn't focused on your forces much hope what is happening to Ukraine wakes your politicians up


What @Jakartans@PkDef said is right, the truth... If we allocate too much money into military, just buy up everything and don't care about everything else, it'll make hundred millions people in the country suffer and that could spring dangerous internal threat that lead to disintegration. Having a great military without unity among people is useless.

Russia see the chance to invade Ukraine because there is internal discord in Ukraine.

The last time we in that situation, we lost East Timor and Sipadan-Ligitan islands. Our economy was badly hit by crisis, prices were sky rocketed high, sectarian conflicts erupted everywhere meanwhile politicians were busy fighting each other for power after Suharto.. and the greedy rats around us saw it all. They took the chance.

We can't let that happen again... Of course, having a large number of tanks, ships, air fighters is better but the most important thing is to have a balance economy and good internal condition.. we have to keep them at all cost.
 
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Indonesia to launch indigenous naval ship design centre
Jon Grevatt, Correspondent, Bangkok - IHS Jane's Defence Industry
24 April 2014
Key Points
  • Indonesia plans to establish an indigenous warship design agency later this year
  • The centre is expected to launch in 2015 under the MoD Defence Industrial Policy Committee
Indonesia plans to establish an agency later this year dedicated to indigenous warship design and development, informed sources in Jakarta confirmed to IHS Jane's on 24 April.

The Naval Design Centre will be set up by the Ministry of Defence's (MoD's) Defence Industrial Policy Committee (KKIP), which is responsible for the development of the local defence industrial base, in conjunction with Indonesia's state-owned naval shipbuilder PT PAL and the Institut Teknologi Sepuluh Nopember (ITS), a government-owned tertiary institution in Surabaya, East Java, that specialises in science, engineering, and technological research.

Indonesia to launch indigenous naval ship design centre - IHS Jane's 360
 
My question is, since each of the 1st and 8th Cavalry battalion will receive 41 Leopard tanks in their inventory which is a full tank battalion strength, what will happen to the current mix of Scorpion and Alvis Stormer APC in their inventory now?
Are we going to have new cavalry battalion as a new home for these active armored vehicles?
Or maybe we can use it (along with the new Marder IFV) to raise a new mechanized infantry battalion.
Anyone here have information or opinions about this?
I think i just found the answer to my own question

The answer is we will have both. One new Armored Cavalry Battalion and One new Mechanized Infantry Battalion.
According to this news : Prajurit TNI tak Bisa Didikte Negara Lain (i cannot post a link so please search this key words, its from pikiran rakyat news)
Here's the quote from the news :
...Menyinggung Batalyon Infanteri (Yonif) 413 Bremoro yang akan ditingkatkan menjadi batalyon infanteri mekanis dengan kelengkapan kendaraan lapis baja, Kasad menjelaskan, program itu terkait dengan pembelian alat utama sistem persenjataan (Alutsista) berupa tambahan 50 unit tank tempur Leopard.

So the 413th Infantry Battalion at Bremoro, Solo, Central Java will become 413th Mechanized Infantry Battalion with Alvis Stormer APC and one of the Cavalry Company in Kalimantan will be upgraded into Recon Cavalry Battalion using Scorpion tanks (Upgrading one Cavalry Company in Kalimantan is part of the Renstra 2015 - 2019)

It looks like we will have permanent armored battalion in Kalimantan, but not the Leopard but the Scorpion tanks to as Recon Armored Battalion.
 
Philippine Navy Chief of Staff visited PAL Indonesia's construction facility.

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  • Philippine Navy Chief of Staff, Rear Adm. Caesar C. Taccad visited PAL and welcomed by PAL Director Firmansyah Arifin.
  • This is the first visit from Philippine Navy Chief of Staff since PAL was awarded the contract for the construction of SSV (Strategic Sealift Vessel) for Philippine Navy.
  • The SSV project has now entered the stage of design development.
  • A change has been made from the initial design. Previously it can only accommodate 1 helicopter.. with newer design, it will accommodate 2 helicopters.
  • The SSV for P.Navy will be constructed in PAL's Graving Dock, Semarang which has 50.000 DWT building capacity.
  • The construction of the SSV will start this year simultaneously with Indonesia's PKR-105 project.

news in Indonesian :

KASAL Filipina Tinjau fasilitas PAL INDONESIA

Surabaya - Kunjungan Kepala Staff Angkatan Laut Filipina RADM Caesar C Taccad, AFP ini, merupakan kunjungan kerja yang istimewa, setelah PT PAL INDONESIA (PERSERO) mendapatkan kontrak pembangunan Kapal SSV untuk Angkatan laut Filipina dan setelah dilantik pada 20 januari lalu.

Selama di Indonesia, salah satunya mengunjungi PT PAL INDONESIA (PERSERO) untuk melihat dari dekat fasilitas yang dimiliki galangan terbesar di Indonesia ini. Diterima langsung oleh Direktur Utama PT PAL INDONESIA (PERSERO) Firmansyah Arifin, Direktur Desain dan Teknologi, Saiful Anwar, Direktur Produksi, Edi Widarto, beserta beberapa pejabat Teras yang terkait dengan pembangunan Proyek Kapal SSV Filipina.

Proyek Kapal jenis Landing Platform Dock (LPD) yang dipesan oleh Angkatan Laut Filipina, merupakan proyek istimewa yang diperoleh PT PAL INDONESIA (PERSERO). Proyek yang dinamakan Strategic Sealift Vessel Philipine (SSV Philipine), kini memasuki tahapan pengembangan desain.

Pemenangan Tender Internasional dengan persaingan yang cukup ketat bersama beberapa Industri Galangan Kapal di dunia, membuktikan bahwa PAL INDONESIA layak dan berkompeten. Kapal SSV ini merupakan pengembangan desain dan teknologi dari jenis LPD, meskipun ukuran kapal lebih kecil 2 meter.

Dalam diskusi di Ruang Rapat Utama lantai dasar gedung PIP, Direktur Utama mengungkapkan kegembiraannya terhadap kunjungan KASAL Filipina. “Kami berterimakasih atas kunjungannya, disela-sela jadwal yang terbatas. Kami menginformasikan, bahwa segala kebutuhan dan pemenuhan persiapan proyek SSV Filipina ini sangat diprioritaskan” tegasnya. Dirut juga menambahkan kami dengan penuh semangat dan kerja keras demi terwujudnya ekspor Kapal Perang pertama.

Selain itu, KASAL Filipina juga melakukan peninjauan lapangan ke bengkel kerja untuk melihat Fasilitas dan Sarana yang dimiliki PT PAL INDONESIA (PERSERO). Pertama mengunjungi workshop Divisi Desain, untuk melihat dari dekat perkembangan desain yang sedang dikerjakan karena adanya perubahan pada hangar dan anjungan helicopter.

Dimana sebelumnya pada awal desain, helicopter yang dapat menempati kapal tersebut hanya 1, kini berubah 2 unit. Selanjutnya melihat fasilitas Divisi Kapal Niaga, dimana kapal SSV ini akan di bangun di Graving Dock Semarang yang berkapasitas 50.000 DWT.

Pembangunan kapal ini akan berlangsung pada tahun ini, dan akan bersamaan dengan proyek PKR-105.


KASAL Filipina Tinjau fasilitas PAL INDONESIA | PT PAL Indonesia (Persero)
 
Indonesian Air Force 3rd Sq. F16s in Sultan Iskandar Muda Airbase, Blangbintang, Aceh Besar.
Image credit: SERAMBI INDONESIA / M ANSHAR
Still fly with empty wings :(
What the purpose of having modern fighter jet if only equipped with cannons ??
 
Chinese, Indonesian marines conduct light arms firing training

(Source: China Military Online) 2014-04-25

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The picture shows that the Indonesia special operation members are introducing the use of light arms to their Chinese counterparts. Six special operation members of the Indonesia Navy participating in the multi-national maritime joint exercise codenamed "Maritime Cooperation 2014" boarded the amphibious dock landing ship “Changbaishan” of the Navy of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLAN), and carried out exchanges on light arms fire with Chinese marines off the coast of Qingdao, east China's Shandong province, on the morning of April 23, 2014. (Chinamil.com.cn/Liao Zhiyong)




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The officers and men of the two sides are exchanging the methods to use light arms. Six special operation members of the Indonesia Navy participating in the multi-national maritime joint exercise codenamed "Maritime Cooperation 2014" boarded the amphibious dock landing ship “Changbaishan” of the Navy of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLAN), and carried out exchanges on light arms fire with the Chinese marines off the coast of Qingdao, east China's Shandong province, on the morning of April 23, 2014. (Chinamil.com.cn/Liao Zhiyong)



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The picture shows a scene of the officers and men of the two sides in light arms firing training. Six special operation members of the Indonesia Navy participating in the multi-national maritime joint exercise codenamed "Maritime Cooperation 2014" boarded the amphibious dock landing ship “Changbaishan” of the Navy of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLAN), and carried out exchanges on light arms fire with Chinese marines off the coast of Qingdao, east China's Shandong province, on the morning of April 23, 2014. (Chinamil.com.cn/Liao Zhiyong)

China Military Online English Edition
 
Still fly with empty wings :(
What the purpose of having modern fighter jet if only equipped with cannons ??

I get the info that many of F-16 weapons has already been taken, including AMRAAM for F-16 C/D. (One of the pilot has FB account, so I just ask him :D)
 
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