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[QUOTE="anas_nurhafidz, post: 8036132, member: 164882"kez, many said that AK lack accuraty. But in the right hands AK is very accurate.

Like their style...these guys are complete idio*s.[/QUOTE]
Pernah liat di youtube latihan dopper TNI yg siswanya kena tembak
Apa ga bisa ya dopper pk rubber bullet?

 

[Nike]

That's reality check. Yup, we 're still in Endonesaah...



That's training for noob. Indonesian level.

[QUOTE="anas_nurhafidz, post: 8036132, member: 164882"kez, many said that AK lack accuraty. But in the right hands AK is very accurate.

Like their style...these guys are complete idio*s.

Pernah liat di youtube latihan dopper TNI yg siswanya kena tembak
Apa ga bisa ya dopper pk rubber bullet?[/QUOTE]


maybe Indonesia is one of the very few democratic countries who still had somewhat harsh and brutal military training for their soldiers on par with other communist and fascist countries in the past

 

[pr1v4t33r]

Barang anyar, langsung uji coba buat pengamanan tahun baru.
Tahap awal, polisi dapat 30+ unit disebar diseluruh Indonesia.

maybe Indonesia is one of the very few democratic countries who still had somewhat harsh and brutal military training for their soldiers on par with other communist and fascist countries in the past

Glad to hear that..

 

[Nike]

President Jokowi departs for Papua
Selasa, 29 Desember 2015 20:02 WIB | 230 Views

Jakarta (ANTARA News) - President Joko Widodo (Jokowi) accompanied by First Lady Iriana departed for the easternmost Indonesian province of Papua on Tuesday for a working visit that will last until early next year.

The president and his entourage departed from the Halim Perdanakusuma Airbase in East Jakarta onboard the presidential aircraft RI at 3:15 p.m. local time on Tuesday.

He is scheduled to arrive at Mopah Airport in Merauke, Papua, at 7 p.m. Eastern Indonesian Time on the same day.

Earlier, National Police Chief General Badrodin Haiti had made assurance that the presidents visit to Papua will be secured following last Sundays attack on the Sinak police precinct in Puncak Jaya district, which left three police officers dead and two others injured.

The president and his entourage will visit several cities in Papua and West Papua provinces.

A member of the presidential communications team Ari Dwipayana quoted the National Police chief as saying that the attack had nothing to do with the presidents planned visit to Papua.

On Tuesday, the chief of the Papua provincial police led the evacuation of the police officers shot during the incident, Haiti revealed.

The bodies of the police officers have arrived in the Papua provincial capital of Jayapura.

He remarked that the attack, which occurred during Christmas, was a rare incident.

The military and police officers are on the lookout for the perpetrators of the attack on the police precinct.(*)

President Jokowi departs for Papua - ANTARA News

 

[Jakartans@PkDef]

Pernah liat di youtube latihan dopper TNI yg siswanya kena tembak
Apa ga bisa ya dopper pk rubber bullet?

maybe Indonesia is one of the very few democratic countries who still had somewhat harsh and brutal military training for their soldiers on par with other communist and fascist countries in the past[/QUOTE]
Some source said that doper training was originated Royal Netherlands East Indies Army (KNIL). CMIIW Dooper door kogels or baptism by bullets ...

Barang anyar, langsung uji coba buat pengamanan tahun baru.
Tahap awal, polisi dapat 30+ unit disebar diseluruh Indonesia.

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Glad to hear that..

Borju hahahahaha

 

[Indos]

I dont think getting shot like that as something macho though, and by the way the shooter handle the gun, if I am a commander, I will punish him.

The important thing to make a soldier a true warrior is to get the reason to do the combat and to be soldier. A motivated soldiers is something that is so important in military training result.

Religion is very important for this one. So thats why Brimob use that as well, religious soldiers are very dangerous in a war because they are not afraid of death anymore, but in the same time know the limit that make them keep staying to be a real warrior in any situation and not become the opposite.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

I dont think getting shot like that as something macho though, and by the way the shooter handle the gun, if I am a commander, I will punish him. The important thing to make a soldier a true warrior is to get the reason to do the combat and to be soldier. A motivated soldiers is something that is so important in military training result.

Only the warrior know and understand the way of warrior brah...

 

[Indos]

Only the warrior know the way of warrior brah...

Warrior is a mentality though. We can see many war in history and learn from great warriors. Even our prophet is a great warrior at war.

 

[Nike]

I dont think getting shot like that as something macho though, and by the way the shooter handle the gun, if I am a commander, I will punish him.

The important thing to make a soldier a true warrior is to get the reason to do the combat and to be soldier. A motivated soldiers is something that is so important in military training result.

Religion is very important for this one. So thats why Brimob use that as well, religious soldiers are very dangerous in a war because they are not afraid of death anymore, but in the same time know the limit that make them keep staying to be a real warrior in any situation and not become the opposite.

hmm, actually this is not about Machoisme but it must be has something to do with culture and tradition in Indonesian Military. The similar brutal and harsh training is must be endured by soldiers from Countries who had violent tradition in their long history. You can said, JSDF albeit soft appearance is actually one of them along with PLA, Russian Armed Forces, Ukraine, Thailand, Philippine and so on.

 

[Indos]

hmm, actually this is not about Machoisme but it must be has something to do with culture and tradition in Indonesian Military. The similar brutal and harsh training is must be endured by soldiers from Countries who had violent tradition in their long history. You can said, JSDF albeit soft appearance is actually one of them along with PLA, Russian Armed Forces, Ukraine, Thailand, Philippine and so on.

This is what I want to bring to this discussion that brutality in training not necessarily become the major factor to make a good soldiers during the real war. There should be some like study to check this out, not just following the old culture.

Even the Muslim soldiers during the early Islam is not people like brutal Viking but still can defeat Byzantium because each of the soldiers know exactly why they do the war.

 

[Nike]

Visit of Brunei Army Chief of Staff to PT PINDAD facility

Testing P-1 Pindad

testing PM-2 Pindad SMG

Posed with Anoa APC

Kunjungan Kasad Brunei, Memperkuat Hubungan Indonesia – Brunei


Yang Mulia Brigadier Jeneral Pengiran Dato Seri Pahlawan Aminan bin Pengiran Haji Mahmud, Pemerintah Tentera Darat Diraja Brunei Darussalam (Kasad Brunei), mengunjungi PT Pindad (Persero) pada Rabu, 23 Desember 2015. Rombongan diterima oleh Direktur Utama PT Pindad (Persero), Silmy Karim di Auditorium Gedung Direktorat PT Pindad, Bandung. Kunjungan ini yang merupakan bagian dari rangkaian acara Senior Interaction Program (SIP) Tentera Darat Diraja Brunei di wilayah Komando Daerah Militer (Kodam) III/Siliwangi, turut dihadiri oleh Panglima Daerah Militer (Pangdam) III Siliwangi, Mayor Jenderal TNI Hadi Prasojo.

PT. Pindad (Persero) - Kunjungan Kasad Brunei, Memperkuat Hubungan Indonesia – Brunei

This is what I want to bring to this discussion that brutality in training not necessarily become the major factor to make a good soldiers during the real war. There should be some like study to check this out, not just following the old culture.

Even the Muslim soldiers during the early Islam is not people like brutal Viking but still can defeat Byzantium because each of the soldiers know exactly why they do the war.

Brutal training method for voluntary force is good to make cohesion between ranks and file and instill discipline among them, the weakest one usually simply just resigned and quit. You can see why most of modern Middle Eastern Army is not in shape to conduct a simple task in battle, and they can't take too much blood in their formation. Their training is lack, their cohesion is zero and their army is only good to manning some garrison behind the lines.

compared to Asian standard.......meh

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no-lah, the early Caliphate soldiers is trained folks, mostly gaining their experiences in raiding and battles between Kabilah/Clan, and they are quite brutal in battle (as mostly had been doing one or two battle before joining the ranks of Muslim Army) as the usual tradition Bedouin Arabs, Khalid insisted to not to bring prisoner of war so he is simply ordered his army to slaughter their army when the battle is going on.

 

[pr1v4t33r]

This is what I want to bring to this discussion that brutality in training not necessarily become the major factor to make a good soldiers during the real war. There should be some like study to check this out, not just following the old culture.

That's not brutality. That's controlled exercise, carefully planned and executed to prepare soldiers to become the elite forces that can handle pressure and stress under the most critical situation. Children playing with real gun shooting at their friends, that's brutality.

Borju hahahahaha

Budget gede, tanpa perlu beli alutsista mahal model TNI, akhirnya beli barang-barang mewah.

 

[Nike]

That's not brutality. That's controlled exercise, carefully planned and executed to prepare soldiers to become the elite forces that can handle pressure and stress under the most critical situation. Children playing with real gun shooting at their friends, that's brutality.

maybe harsh training method is a more proper word

 

[yugocrosrb95]

You guys still using old-school pistols?

No polymer at all?

Why not buy HS 2000, same quality and performance for less cash and even license it for production...

 

[pr1v4t33r]

You guys still using old-school pistols? No polymer at all? Why not buy HS 2000, same quality and performance for less cash and even license it for production...

We can produce that ourselves. PINDAD G2 Elite & Combat

PINDAD PS-01 Assault Pistol (Robocop pistol )