Indonesia Defence Forum

[Kansel]

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2735176483476015&id=100009510715537

 

[Nike]

Ok, I understand your concern. But, you just pointing finger at the US that they "need enemy" is really bother me. You're seems really cynical to US.

he failed to see other thing in the US and only thinking about US economy being driven by their military industrial complexes, when one talking about their Financial institution and the largesse of their manufacturing industry (in which still among the largest in the world only after China) along with their services industry (in which complex IT industry like the Giant Amazon, Google, Facebook and other had value comparable or larger compared to small countries with dozens or even hundred millions population). And even above that, not a single arms industry in the US made it among the largest company in revenue in 2019-2020 fiscal year

 

[NEKONEKO]

Air Force forms cyberunit to anticipate cyberwarfare, attacks

The Indonesian Air Force established a cyberunit to anticipate future threats of cyberwarfare, specifically attacks against the force’s infrastructure.

Air Force chief of staff Air Chief Marshal Fadjar Prasetyo inaugurated the unit in a ceremony Wednesday. The cyberunit was established under the force’s security and encryption agency.

Fadjar said the unit would be tasked with preventing and respond to cyberattacks committed against the Air Force’s infrastructure, which was usually carried out by exploiting various security holes.

“The increasingly unpredictable forms and threats of warfare are challenge for militaries around the world, including the Indonesian Air Force. We hope the cyberunit can address this problem,” Fadjar said during the inauguration ceremony as reported in a statement.

The Air Force had expressed interest in heightening awareness and intensifying security against cyberattacks and cyberwars, when then-chief of staff Air Chief Marshal Yuyu Sutisna conveyed the importance of cybersecurity in 2018.

The Indonesian Military had also established a cyberunit in 2017. Then-commander Gen. (ret) Gatot Nurmantyo said the unit was tasked with protecting strategic military data, information and resources from being stolen as well as to improve the force’s cyberdefense capacity.

Air Force forms cyberunit to anticipate cyberwarfare, attacks

The unit will be tasked with preventing and responding to cyberattacks against the Air Force’s infrastructure.

www.thejakartapost.com

 

[mandala]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1306144574503399424

 

[Cromwell]

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2735176483476015&id=100009510715537

80% local contents ( TKDN ) ??? That's unrealistic number our local defence industries aren't in capacity to fully absorb transfer of technology. Even Anoa APC & Makassar Class LPD local contents are below 50%

 

[san.geuk]

if the supplier come from local industry then the local content only need 25%, well somebody know how to make money from this, import the component part by part then assembly in local company, name it like local sound like 'kucing-garong' for example and publish it as a Karya anak bangsa, locally made

 

[Nike]

if the supplier come from local industry then the local content only need 25%, well somebody know how to make money from this, import the component part by part then assembly in local company, name it like local sound like 'kucing-garong' for example and publish it as a Karya anak bangsa, locally made

Honesty is rare item in Indonesia

 

[Ravager]

Honesty is rare item in Indonesia

How come ?? I thought honesty was a premium before this . I guess it wasn't that rare nowadays

 

[san.geuk]

our industries stakeholders only want profit for their company the inhan SoE not exceptional by pursuing short term benefit we lack in commitment in defence industry , thats why there's a lot of prototype but rare in mass production, from the start we build our industry we doctrined that good business is to gain profits, more profits=better performance, the CEO performance value by profit not by inovation, that's why we f**kup today

wants more local content but we don't have skills and tools we need

 

[Nike]

our industries stakeholders only want profit for their company the inhan SoE not exceptional by pursuing short term benefit we lack in commitment in defence industry , thats why there's a lot of prototype but rare in mass production, from the start we build our industry we doctrined that good business is to gain profits, more profits=better performance, the CEO performance value by profit not by inovation, that's why we f**kup today

wants more local content but we don't have skills and tools we need

Companies should pursue profit first everything later you know. To gain that you should have advantage or edge compared to your competitor. US during before the great merger era in 1990-2000, had many efficient and cost effective companies in which can delivered new products within short term along with cost effective research. The likes of Mc Donnel, Douglas aircraft, North America, Northrop Grumman, Lockheed, Vought , Skunks work and so on. With many competition, US aircraft technical and technology advantage is being leapt and bound compared to their allies and Rival of Soviet Union. Now largely, their fighter industry is quite degraded with only Boeing and Lockheed Martin rivalries in which bound to oligopoly games. This, in Indonesia the situation is more dire, with only SOE playing the games without incentive for competition.

 

[Chestnut]

our industries stakeholders only want profit for their company the inhan SoE not exceptional by pursuing short term benefit we lack in commitment in defence industry , thats why there's a lot of prototype but rare in mass production, from the start we build our industry we doctrined that good business is to gain profits, more profits=better performance, the CEO performance value by profit not by inovation, that's why we f**kup today

wants more local content but we don't have skills and tools we need

The problem in Indonesia is not because of profit minded people. A business should always prioritize profits.

The problem in Indonesia is because there is no competition among local SOE's to incentivize innovation. Why should Pindad innovate when there is ZERO local competition to force them to do so? The military is pretty much forced to buy from them for almost everything so in turn it just causes innovation to stagnate.

Again, competition is good for business.

 

[Indos]

The problem in Indonesia is not because of profit minded people. A business should always prioritize profits.

The problem in Indonesia is because there is no competition among local SOE's to incentivize innovation. Why should Pindad innovate when there is ZERO local competition to force them to do so? The military is pretty much forced to buy from them for almost everything so in turn it just causes innovation to stagnate.

Again, competition is good for business.

Not exactly true, there is still competition going on from foreign defense industries at some extent at our domestic market. Our SOE defense industry also have plan to further penetrate international market and we can see it through some small success like LPD purchase by Philippine. With that kind of plan, it means they also have considered foreign defense companies as their serious competitor. A shift in mind set IMO will likely to happen inside any local industry who want to compete internationally, state owned defense companies is no exception. The winning record of our soldier using Pindad rifle and pistols in international military competition since 2010 should be seen as one of the example.

The core problem in lack of innovation IMO is more on our small R&D budget. Alman Helvast also stated the other problem like short term vision which is currently suffered by Jokowi administration, I think he refers to our government refusal to finance high tech industry program which has more than 4 years development period to reach the result.

On the other hand, US government poure huge R&D research budget for their private defense industries. US also has many long term defense project development. We can also see on South Korea success story. In Korea, their defense industry get huge support from government research agency like ADD which conduct many R&D research. South Korea is famous in setting aside good amount of money for their R&D budget and it has been regarded by economic expert as the main reason of why their industry products can compete internationally.

While in Indonesia even a crucial research on quantum radar that can revolutionize current radar is non existence, not because of we dont have skillfull human resources, but because there is not enough budget and lack of ambition and vision by the planner. This is told by my cousin who work as goverment research agency researcher with previous specialization in radar, currently he handles other research.

We also can compare the situation with Singapore where their defense industries are also dominated by large SOE which is ST Engineering but still can have good innovation level through acquisition of western defense companies, collaboration with western and Israel defense companies, and also sufficien R&D budget. Their products are quite competitive in international market, this is why ST Engineering has been included in 50 world biggest defense companies list

 

[Raduga]

according to one of the pussenkav researcher assesment , the most optimal cavalry cannon for AD medium tank and FSV is hitfact 105 and 120mm(interchangable) , but dont know how CMI and Cockerill won though ....

 

[Kansel]

Dittekindhan Ditjenpothan sesuai tupoksinya sebagai pembina Industri Pertahanan melaksanakan rapat Koordinasi Ofset Pengadaan Rudal Jarak Sedang Multi Fungsi Pengamanan Ibu Kota dan Dukungannya.

Kegiatan ini dipimpin oleh Dirtekindhan Ditjen Pothan Kemhan, Laksma TNI Sri Yanto, S.T., M.Si(Han) dan dihadiri oleh Kabid Matud Pusalpalhan Baranahan Kemhan, Kasubdit Dittekindhan, staf Dittekindhan, PTDI, PT Len dan PT Datareka Integrasia perwakilan dari Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace.

Dirtekindhan dalam sambutannya memberikan penekanan kepada Industri Pertahanan penerima Ofset agar mengirimkan personel yang sama dengan penerima Ofset sebelumnya agar ada keberlanjutan dari Transfer of Technology (ToT) sebelumnya.

Source. Dittekidhan

 

[Var Dracon]

according to one of the pussenkav researcher assesment , the most optimal cavalry cannon for AD medium tank and FSV is hitfact 105 and 120mm(interchangable) , but dont know how CMI and Cockerill won though ....
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I think Hitfact did not meet the final requirement/specifications of our medium tank. Surely Hitfact cannon is interchangeable with 120 mm, but with its puny 15 degree elevation and - 6 degree depression it would not be suitable for mountainous country like Indonesia. Cokerill 3000 turret with 42 degree elevation can be integrated with UAV, making it precise indirect fire weapon (though we may not have the UAV since this would mean increased cost).