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6 January 2014
“The government has to move ahead with the project instead of just asking questions to experts,” said an official at the Defense Acquisition Program Administration, continuing, “We can say that it is ready because the fighters can be developed based on the FA-50 light fighter jet.”

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I hope in 2024 we can start mass produce it in PT DI inshaALLAH, 2030 is too long.....

Wait, what? So it won't be the twin engine variant but the single engine 501 or something?
 
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So, how Indonesian people fill about that? Do they sometimes feel that Indonesia should take over East Malaysia and Brunei and take care of that situation in order to stop China from going further?
There are some hot spots in our border with Malaysia but we does not have territorial ambition.
Brunei always friendly towards Indonesia and talking about China intrusion in SEA, i agree with @madokafc we want status quo between two superpower in this region. This situation would benefit us in a long term.
 
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@nufix your German speaking language needed here, especially for the bolded parts taking note here

Lieferungen an diese Abnehmer sind nicht prinzipiell untersagt, aber an eine Vielzahl von Bedingungen geknüpft. Nach den "Politischen Grundsätzen der Bundesregierung" muss insbesondere die Menschenrechtslage in den fraglichen Staaten berücksichtigt werden und eine missbräuchliche Verwendung der Waffen möglichst ausgeschlossen sein. 2013 fielen die Abwägungen des Bundessicherheitsrates vor allem für Algerien, Katar, Saudi-Arabien und Indonesien günstig aus. Auf diese vier Staaten entfiel ein Großteil der Ausfuhrgenehmigungen für Drittländer. Insbesondere die Teile für Kampfflugzeuge, Luftaufklärung, Hubschrauber, Panzer und Panzerhaubitzen, die in das autoritäre Königreich Saudi-Arabien gingen, dürften Gabriel Bauchschmerzen bereiten. Aber auch die Kampfpanzer, Schützenpanzer, Panzerhaubitzen und U-Boot-Teile für Indonesien oder die Panzerteile für Katar passen nicht zum restriktiven Exportversprechen der Sozialdemokraten. Neben den Werten der erteilten Ausfuhrgenehmigungen werden bei Kriegswaffen auch die tatsächlichen Ausfuhren erfasst. Deren Gesamtwert ging um 13 Millionen Euro zurück, von 946 Millionen Euro im Jahr 2012 auf 933 Millionen Euro 2013.

Rüstungsgüter: Deutsche Waffen in aller Welt - Printarchiv - Politik (Print) - Berliner Morgenpost

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Tanks for the world

To "export world champion" is not quite enough. Nevertheless, the German armaments industry can be satisfied considering the good deals all over the world - the federal government is thanks.

by Anja Krüger

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The list is creepy: armored parts for Egypt, missiles for Pakistan, communication and navigation equipment for Thailand, howitzers for Indonesia, torpedoes and launching systems for India, weapon sights for Kazakhstan, parts for canon ammunition for Iraq, anti-tank weapons for Jordan, rifles and machine guns for Saudi Arabia, navigation equipment for Morocco, submarines for Colombia, smoke pots plants for Peru. And that's not all. In the year 2013 17 280 individual applications for the export of arms were approved by the German Government, 900 more than last year. This company rocket launchers, ammunition and other military goods worth 5.8 billion euros can export - 25 percent more than last year. The proceeds from the arms export report in 2013, has the Federal Minister Sigmar Gabriel (SPD), recently presented.

An arms exports, the smell of blood and death depends, especially if they go into crisis areas. Therefore, can be bad campaign operate by being defended. Whoever claims to want to limit it, has made it easier. That should also SPD chairman Gabriel be clear who has repeatedly called for stricter rules for the export of killing device before the parliamentary elections. Shortly after he took office as Minister, he reiterated this intention. Even after learning of the dramatic increase in the number of permits he told Bild am Sonntag, he "will ensure that Germany significantly more careful." Nothing but empty promises, however, notes the Left Party. »Public Gabriel always playing the critic of military exports, quite practically, he does exactly the opposite," the member of parliament Jan van Aken commented publicly Gabriel's announcement. Whether companies are allowed to perform military equipment decides the Federal Security Council. It consists of the Federal Chancellor Angela Merkel, Gabriel and six other ministers and the Chancellor's Office Minister. The CDU has in the organization currently has five votes, the SPD and the three CSU one. In the guidelines for the approval of the Federal Government has long been committed to a restrictive export policy for defense equipment. Consequences does not apparently. Germany, after the USA and Russia's third largest arms exporter in the world.

Union leaders want to keep it that way. "The German industry worldwide with the best defensesystems," the former Federal Transport Minister Peter Ramsauer says (CSU), then chairman of the Bundestag Committee on Economic Affairs. He prefers to use the word "Defence systems" for "military equipment" or even "weapons" has just to clear one side and aggressive sound. "If we do nothing more can be exported, the products are purchased elsewhere. We put a lot at stake, "Ramsauer fears.

The arms industry threatened preventive and pretended as if Gabriel's announcement already been verwirklich - which can be no question. "I am concerned about the increasingly restrictive arms export policy in Germany. This could lead to additional layoffs in Germany, about our current reduction plans beyond, "said Thomas Enders, CEO of Airbus group, the end of May the news agencyReuters. The company wants to reduce in his armor division in Europe 5800 posts of which 2600 in Bavaria. In the arms production work in Germany a total of about 80 000 employees. "At some point we might want to consider to include complete sites or product lines or to relocate from Germany and beyond," Enders announced.

But the industry includes sites is unlikely. Because the business is gorgeous, and at least the federal government and its social democratic economic ministers will not ensure that this will change. In just the first four months of 2014, the Social Democrat Gabriel arms exports has agreed with a value of more than 1.2 billion euros. Although this is slightly less than in the same period last year. Increased significantly, but supplies of military equipment in so-called third countries which are not EU or NATO members such as Saudi Arabia and Algeria. This is the result of changing market conditions. Demand in EU and NATO countries decreases and the defense industry is going to develop or expand new markets.

»Germany also exports under the aegis of a social democratic economy minister to death all over the world. Sigmar Gabriel is a hypocrite ", commented the chairman of the Left Party, Katja Kipping, development. The Greens also give outraged. "The announcement by Federal Minister Gabriel restrictive arms export policy so far remains a mere old wives' tale," said its chairman Peter Simone. Gabriel, however, denies that the permits from the first months of 2014 are under its responsibility. He could make the decisions of the previous government not reversed, he claims. This does not agree, say members of the opposition. The War Weapons Control Act expressly provides that permits may be revoked at any time, argued about the disarmament expert of the Left Party, van Aken. "Mr. Gabriel could do so, however, he had not dared," he says. "My impression of the SPD and Mr. Gabriel is: Whenever a television camera is somewhere in the vicinity, he is a total critic of all arms exports. As soon as the camera off, he waves all arms exports by, after Saudi Arabia, also to human rights abusers. "Greens hold Gabriel Justifying the permits also absurd. »Also final approvals issued can be revoked and contracts you can cancel if you want to do that," says the member of parliamentAgnieszka Brugger. But would not the minister obviously. The Federal Government wants everything to remain as it is, and this also allows proclaim publicly. "From a U-turn can not with certainty of the question," recently said the government spokesman Steffen Seibert.

Thereby a drastic change occurs in another part would be necessary. The federal government not only approved arms exports. It also protects. The means for this are the Hermes guarantees, an instrument used to hedge the foreign trade. From late 2009 until the end of January this year, 13 projects were protected with armor Hermes guarantees for a total value of 6.35 billion euros, was the response of the Federal Government to an inquiry of the Left Party. Bailed the federal government has, among other defense equipment to Turkey amounting to almost 2.5 billion euros and for deliveries to Abu Dhabi, Algeria, Libya and Pakistan. In 2012, the federal government vouched for submarines to Egypt worth 683 million euros.

Also in other ways the government helps the manufacturers of military equipment. The Chancellor took alone since December 2009 on trips to Turkey and on the visit in the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, India, Singapore, Kenya, Angola, Nigeria and Canada, representatives of the defense industry. 58 appointments, the Federal Ministry of Economics since the end of 2009 with people from the industry, seven of them since Gabriel's office. 99 Dates granted the Department of Defense, 22 the Foreign Office - informal meetings between lobbyists and government representatives as well as self-aligned by the arms industry events not counted.

jungle-world.com - Archiv - 25/2014 - Inland - Die deutschen Rüstungsexporte boomen

Panzerhaubitzen, that's SPH in German words right? soon we will welcoming Pzh 2000 right?
 
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@nufix your German speaking language needed here, especially for the bolded parts taking note here

Lieferungen an diese Abnehmer sind nicht prinzipiell untersagt, aber an eine Vielzahl von Bedingungen geknüpft. Nach den "Politischen Grundsätzen der Bundesregierung" muss insbesondere die Menschenrechtslage in den fraglichen Staaten berücksichtigt werden und eine missbräuchliche Verwendung der Waffen möglichst ausgeschlossen sein. 2013 fielen die Abwägungen des Bundessicherheitsrates vor allem für Algerien, Katar, Saudi-Arabien und Indonesien günstig aus. Auf diese vier Staaten entfiel ein Großteil der Ausfuhrgenehmigungen für Drittländer. Insbesondere die Teile für Kampfflugzeuge, Luftaufklärung, Hubschrauber, Panzer und Panzerhaubitzen, die in das autoritäre Königreich Saudi-Arabien gingen, dürften Gabriel Bauchschmerzen bereiten. Aber auch die Kampfpanzer, Schützenpanzer, Panzerhaubitzen und U-Boot-Teile für Indonesien oder die Panzerteile für Katar passen nicht zum restriktiven Exportversprechen der Sozialdemokraten. Neben den Werten der erteilten Ausfuhrgenehmigungen werden bei Kriegswaffen auch die tatsächlichen Ausfuhren erfasst. Deren Gesamtwert ging um 13 Millionen Euro zurück, von 946 Millionen Euro im Jahr 2012 auf 933 Millionen Euro 2013.


Panzerhaubitzen, that's SPH in German words right? soon we will welcoming Pzh 2000 right?

Point of this article is critic against the government party.

Anyway, the sentence you bold is not complete, that list goes for Saudi Arabia. The list that goes to our country comes in the next sentence. I think it's a typo, since there are no news about Indonesia wanting to buy PzH 2000 (we already bought Caesar for SPH). But it's possible, since Indonesia was deemed the biggest arm importer for Germany in 2013.

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Point of this article is critic against the government party.

Anyway, the sentence you bold is not complete, that list goes for Saudi Arabia. The list that goes to our country comes in the next sentence. I think it's a typo, since there are no news about Indonesia wanting to buy PzH 2000 (we already bought Caesar for SPH). But it's possible, since Indonesia was deemed the biggest arm importer for Germany in 2013.

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Don't know about Pzh-2000 but what i know is from my friend, the Army seem want to induct tracked SPH and has sent a team to South Korea to looking and knowing much better about K-9 Thunder. What made them interested in K-9 is the real combat experience the K-9 had when K-9 able to shut off North Korean artillery battery units including the famous Koksan gun in duel artillery several years ago. Pzh is a good platform too, but they never going duel against another artillery units like K-9.
 
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Don't know about Pzh-2000 but what i know is from my friend, the Army seem want to induct tracked SPH and has sent a team to South Korea to looking and knowing much better about K-9 Thunder. What made them interested in K-9 is the real combat experience the K-9 had when K-9 able to shut off North Korean artillery battery units including the famous Koksan gun in duel artillery several years ago. Pzh is a good platform too, but they never going duel against another artillery units like K-9.

SK artillery precission was supported by matured intelligence gathering on the field and advanced surveillance system. With the absence of these two, any artillery will all be the same. I say we buy surveillance system first for our existing artillery regiments before adding more pieces.
 
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SK artillery precission was supported by matured intelligence gathering on the field and advanced surveillance system. With the absence of these two, any artillery will all be the same. I say we buy surveillance system first for our existing artillery regiments before adding more pieces.

agree, but they will sell it as a package, same with CAESAR and Astros they include radar and counter fire radar system as a package.
 
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TNI to Get First Delivery of Leopard Tanks
By Markus Junianto Sihaloho on 08:15 am Jun 23, 2014
Category Featured, News
Tags: Indonesian Military TNI, Leopard tanks, national defense

Indonesian military officers look at a German tank, the 62 ton-MBT Leopard Evolution, during the 2012 Indodefense expo in Jakarta on Nov. 8, 2012. Indonesia is set to receive its first order of military vehicles from Germany. (AFP Photo/Bay Ismoyo)

Jakarta. Indonesia is preparing to receive the first batch of armored vehicles it procured from Germany — from an order of 164 units — as the archipelagic nation strives to meet its minimum essential force requirement amid rising tensions in the region.

A total of 52 combat vehicles, consisting of 26 Leopard main battle tanks and 26 medium-sized Marder infantry fighting vehicles, will be shipped from the city of Unterluss following a brief ceremony early this week, which will be attended by Sjafrie Sjamsoeddin, Indonesia’s deputy defense minister, and Gen. Pramono Edhie Wibowo, retired Army chief of staff.

Pramono said he initiated the deal to purchase the 164 German combat vehicles — inked last year — before retiring.

“We will be in Unterluss to oversee the final preparations — including technical inspections and testing — involved in shipping the Leopard tanks to Indonesia,” Pramono said in a statement on Sunday before departing for Germany.

The former general declined to give the exact expected delivery date for the first batch of combat vehicles, but mentioned they would be arrive in time to be displayed in Jakarta for the Indonesian Military’s (TNI) anniversary on Oct. 5.

The purchase is part of the government’s larger plan to modernize Indonesia’s aging military equipment and weaponry — an overhaul that was last carried out over 30 years ago.

“Indonesia has fallen behind in terms of armory, even compared to several of our Asean neighbors,” Pramono said, referring to the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, of which Indonesia is a leading member. “We have been relying on light tanks, such as Scorpions and AMX-13, which are getting on in years.”

Germany had given defense firm Rheinmetall the green light in 2012 to export 104 Leopard 2 tanks, 50 Marder 1A2 infantry fighting vehicles and 10 other military carriers — including armored recovery vehicles, mobile bridges and military engineering vehicles — to Indonesia, German news portal Spiegel Online reported.

According to Indonesian officials, the initial agreement for 130 tanks was valued at $280 million, while Rheinmentall’s press released placed the figure at 216 million euro, or $293.7 million. The deal includes training sessions, logistical support services and an initial supply of practice and service ammunition.

The deliveries are scheduled to be concluded between 2014 and 2016.

President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono launched strategic plans in 2010 to help Indonesia meet its minimum essential force (MEF) — an effort to revamp the country’s aging weaponry and military equipment. Under the program, the country’s military procurement plans are divided into three phases — the first stretching from 2010 to 2014 — until the MEF is reached, which is targeted for 2024.

The archipelago’s domestic defense industry will also be fostered to grow under the program.

The Ministry of Defense has been among the largest recipients of government funds over the past several years. In addition to the annual budget, which amounted to Rp 86 trillion ($7 billion) this year, the government has also allocated some Rp 156 trillion toward modernizing military equipment throughout 2014.

Nevertheless, Indonesia only spent 0.8 percent of its gross domestic product on defense in 2012. Though the figure adds up to a substantial amount of money in real terms, the spending still pales in comparison to those of Indonesia’s regional peers.

The ideal budget, according to Sjafrie, would be 1 percent to 2 percent of GDP, which is the amount being spent by many of the world’s developing nations.

The deputy defense minster said he hopes Indonesia is able to reach that level of spending by 2024.

After dedicating more than $15 billion to building the country’s defenses system since 2010, Indonesia has managed to reach 40 percent of its MEF — well above phase one’s goal of 30 percent, Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro said.

Achieving these goals, he added, are crucial for tackling security challenges of the 21st century, with the global security focus shifting from the Middle East to the Asia-Pacific region, where disputes over resource-rich areas have continued to escalate, involving major players such as China, Vietnam and the Philippines.

TNI to Get First Delivery of Leopard Tanks | The Jakarta Globe
 
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Sjafrie: Indonesia Akan Jadi Pusat Produksi Suku Cadang Leopard di Asia
(Sjafrie: Indonesia will be Leopard spare parts production center in Asia)

Selasa, 24 Juni 2014 15:11 WIB
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TRIBUNNEWS.COM, JERMAN - Roll out and hand over batch pertama tank Leopard dilakukan, Selasa (24/6/2014), di fasilitas pabrik pembuatan tank Leopard yang dimiliki Rheinmettal Landsysteme GmbH.

Pada upacara roll out dan handover ini diluncurkan secara simbolis 1 unit Leopard main battle tank (mbt) dan 1 unit marder yang dilakukan oleh Harald Westermann, Managing Director Rheinmettal Landsysteme GmbH, kepada Wamenhan, Letjen (Purn) TNI Sjafrie Sjamsoeddin.

"Revitalisasi dan modernisasi alutsista militer Indonesia adalah dalam rangka menjalankan tugas negara menjaga kedaulatan dan keutuhan wilayah NKRI," ujar Sjafrie dalam keterangannya.

Dikatakan menjaga kedaulatan dan keutuhan wilayah suatu negara adalah sebuah hasil kerja militer dan non militer. "Kehadiran main battle tank Leopard di wilayah Indonesia ini adalah bagian penting dalam menjalankan tugas ini," kata Sjafrie.

Sjafrie juga menyampaikan bahwa apa yang dilakukan hari ini merupakan catatan sejarah tersendiri dalam hubungan bilateral Indonesia-Jerman.

"Pembelian unit tank Leopard diikuti oleh Nota Kesepahaman antara Rheinmettal dengan PT PINDAD (Persero) untuk Indonesia dapat memproduksi beberapa suku cadang tank Leopard," ungkap Sjafrie.

Ditegaskan kerjasama antara Pemerintah Jerman dan Indonesia ini diikuti oleh alih teknologi yang menguntungkan industri persenjataan, amunisi dan kendaraan alat tempur dalam negeri.

"Pindad akan kami jadikan pusat produksi dan distribusi suku cadang tank Leopard untuk wilayah Asia," ujar Sjafrie.

Dalam kesempatan yang sama Sudirman Said, Presiden Direktur PT PINDAD (Persero) menyatakan bahwa MoU sedang dipersiapkan antara kedua belah pihak. "Target kami MoU bisa ditandatangani kedua belah pihak di akhir Juli 2014," kata Sudirman.

Dalam pidato sambutanya Sjafrie juga mengapresiasi inisiatif yang telah dilakukan mantan KSAD, Jendral (Purn) Pramono Edhie Wibowo. "Pak Edhie selaku KSAD TNI saat itu mengajukan peremajaan alutsista dan mengusulkan pembelian main battle tank yang sebelumnya tidak dimiliki Indonesia," tutur Sjafrie.

Rencananya 26 main battle tank dan 26 marder Leopard akan tiba di Indonesia di September 2014. Total pengiriman 164 unit tank Leopard akan selesai hingga 2016.

Sjafrie: Indonesia Akan Jadi Pusat Produksi Suku Cadang Leopard di Asia - Tribunnews.com
 
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This pic.. Is it from the same site at DRU Lampung?... I don't think it's an LST.. looks like an LPD, or is it a passenger ship?

what are the military guys inspecting then if it is a passenger ship? But probably you are right, PT DRU is not a specialized military dock and there are too many windows for a military ship.
 
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