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[Bhayangkara]

Well there was a news that the Army Chief want to add another batch of Leopard 2 MBTs.

Oh thanks, I have never heard that news actually. If it happens then it's a good news really..

 

[mandala]

Oh thanks, I have never heard that news actually. If it happens then it's a good news really..

Here is the news about Army Chief planning to buy additional Leopard 2 MBTs.

HUT TNI 2017 Pamerkan Helikopter Apache

Selasa, 11 April 2017 20:55 WIB
Pewarta: Abdul Kadir

Makassar (Antara Sulsel)- Kepala Staf TNI Angkatan Darat (KSAD) Jenderal TNI Mulyono mengatakan pihaknya berencana memamerkan helikopter Apache buatan Amerika Serikat pada perayaan Hari Ulang Tahun (HUT) TNI pada 5 Oktober 2017.

"Nanti pada 5 Oktober, kita sudah punya Helikopter Apache, dan kami juga akan membeli beberapa tambahan tank Leopard," ujar KSAD Jenderal TNI Mulyono saat menghadiri acara temu muka dengan jajaran Kodam VII/Wirabuana di Markas Batalyon Kavaleri-10/Mendagiri di Makassar, Sulawesi Selatan, Selasa.

http://www.antarasulsel.com/berita/81916/hut-tni-2017-pamerkan-helikopter-apache

 

[Bhayangkara]

Here is the news about Army Chief planning to buy additional Leopard 2 MBTs.

HUT TNI 2017 Pamerkan Helikopter Apache

Selasa, 11 April 2017 20:55 WIB
Pewarta: Abdul Kadir

Makassar (Antara Sulsel)- Kepala Staf TNI Angkatan Darat (KSAD) Jenderal TNI Mulyono mengatakan pihaknya berencana memamerkan helikopter Apache buatan Amerika Serikat pada perayaan Hari Ulang Tahun (HUT) TNI pada 5 Oktober 2017.

"Nanti pada 5 Oktober, kita sudah punya Helikopter Apache, dan kami juga akan membeli beberapa tambahan tank Leopard," ujar KSAD Jenderal TNI Mulyono saat menghadiri acara temu muka dengan jajaran Kodam VII/Wirabuana di Markas Batalyon Kavaleri-10/Mendagiri di Makassar, Sulawesi Selatan, Selasa.

http://www.antarasulsel.com/berita/81916/hut-tni-2017-pamerkan-helikopter-apache

Wow great! Hopefully it can be realized soon..

 

[pr1v4t33r]

 

[striver44]

It is rumoured that the next batch of skyshield will be mk3 mod

 

[pr1v4t33r]

It is rumoured that the next batch of skyshield will be mk3 mod

Oerlikon skyshield MK3 with integrated tracking sensor unit.

http://www.indomiliter.com/oerlikon...anon-skyshield-untuk-denhanud-paskhas-tni-au/

 

[Su-35SM3 Flanker-N]

Not sure whether we will get additional Leopard 2. It's more likely that we will get Harimau Hitam instead, it's nearly as expensive as MBT

 

[mandala]

Not sure whether we will get additional Leopard 2. It's more likely that we will get Harimau Hitam instead, it's nearly as expensive as MBT

If indeed the Army is looking for additional Leopard 2 then they should again look at the Dutch Leopard 2A6. IIRC only 20 units remain after Finland bought most of the Leopard 2A6. Other than the Dutch Leopards not much are in the market for second hand Leopard 2. Even Poland is also looking for additional second hand Leopard 2 MBTs.

 

[GraveDigger388]

If indeed the Army is looking for additional Leopard 2 then they should again look at the Dutch Leopard 2A6. IIRC only 20 units remain after Finland bought most of the Leopard 2A6. Other than the Dutch Leopards not much are in the market for second hand Leopard 2. Even Poland is also looking for additional second hand Leopard 2 MBTs.

Damn Germans.... Their stuff so good, even the secondhands got high demands..

 

[Var Dracon]

Update of Petir V-101 missile program... The shape of the body is changed, it can reach 500 km/h speed with locally made engine... As for the aircraft-like wing is not yet removed, because it's still a prototype. The guidance is using GPS with multiple 3D waypoints, cruise altitude is 20 m. No dedicated launcher has been made, so the test is still using catapult launcher.
The test took place at 28 Oct 2017 in Lumajang.

The old version :

 

[Bhayangkara]

read them carefully... moron. postponed not canceled!

I've been predicted if those moron doesn't have enough brains even just to understood such a simple word.

If indeed the Army is looking for additional Leopard 2 then they should again look at the Dutch Leopard 2A6. IIRC only 20 units remain after Finland bought most of the Leopard 2A6. Other than the Dutch Leopards not much are in the market for second hand Leopard 2. Even Poland is also looking for additional second hand Leopard 2 MBTs.

It seems all the remaining Dutch MBT's had been supplied to fill the unified German/Dutch army panzer battalion. So I think it's indeed a bit difficult now to get a secondhands Leopard-2 unless from the Germany's stock itself.

 

[mandala]

I've been predicted if those moron doesn't have enough brains even just to understood such a simple word.


It seems all the remaining Dutch MBT's had been supplied to fill the unified German/Dutch army panzer battalion. So I think it's indeed a bit difficult now to get a secondhands Leopard-2 unless from the Germany's stock itself.

Sorry its actually 15 units remaining Dutch Leopard 2A6 MBTs and not 20 units. My mistake. The Dutch is looking for a buyer for the remaining 15 units.

Via google translate:

Dutch Leopards for sale

OPUBLIKOWANO: PONIEDZIAŁEK, 16 LUTEGO 2015, 17:08

Dutch authorities intend to sell the remaining 15 Leopard 2 tanks, which are available to the Ministry of Defence.

http://www.defence24.pl/news_holenderskie-leopardy-na-sprzedaz

 

[striver44]

Sorry its actually 15 units remaining Dutch Leopard 2A6 MBTs and not 20 units. My mistake. The Dutch is looking for a buyer for the remaining 15 units.

Via google translate:

Dutch Leopards for sale

OPUBLIKOWANO: PONIEDZIAŁEK, 16 LUTEGO 2015, 17:08

Dutch authorities intend to sell the remaining 15 Leopard 2 tanks, which are available to the Ministry of Defence.

http://www.defence24.pl/news_holenderskie-leopardy-na-sprzedaz

Nahhhh......they'll reject those sales for some alleged indonesian human right "violation"

 

[mandala]

Nahhhh......they'll reject those sales for some alleged indonesian human right "violation"

It was the majority Green Party in the Dutch Parliament that reject the sale of the Leopard 2A6s to Indonesia back then. Now its a different government. Different government different policy.

Btw IIRC it was actually Indonesia that eventually cancelled the deal with the Dutch and looks towards to Germany for the Leopard 2s deal.

 

[katarabhumi]

Maybe its just a closing ceremony for the previous contract (IMO).

Btw, I just found this news recently..


Indonesia factor may postpone KF-X project
cetusnews.com | 2017-11-01T08:19:03.909Z

By Kim Hyo-jin

Indonesia has failed to pay its annual share of expenses for a joint project with South Korea to develop high-tech fighter jets, an opposition lawmaker claimed Wednesday.

The claim prompted concerns the project, dubbed KF-X, could be suspended.

Rep. Kim Jong-dae of the Justice Party, a member of the National Assembly Defense Committee, said Indonesia's state-run defense firm PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PTDI), a participant in the project, has yet to pay this year's remaining allotted 138.9 billion won ($124.5 million) to Seoul as of the end of October, based on a document from the Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA).

"If Indonesia does not pay in time, the Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) has to shoulder the burden of 40 percent of the development costs," Kim said. "Coupled with the current issue of the company being financially strapped, the KF-X project could easily be put in danger."

KAI is the nation's sole aircraft manufacturer that signed the KF-X contract with DAPA.

Seoul launched the KF-X project in 2015 to build its own 4.5-generation fighters to replace the Air Force's aging fleet of F-4s and F-5s by 2026.

PTDI signed an agreement with KAI in January 2016 to foot 20 percent of the cost in the development of the program, while KAI pays 20 percent and the South Korean government pays the remaining 60 percent of the 7.5 trillion won for the program.

Due to the form of agreement, the KAI faces a burden when payments from PTDI are delayed, Kim said.

KAI is reportedly in a liquidity crunch amid corruption allegations against its former management. According to a government audit, corporate bonds worth 600 billion won and 290 billion won in corporate paper are due by the end of this year. An internal report said KAI is 630 billion won short for its projected spending this year because of the shortage of cash and required payments on loans.

"The right timing of financing is critical in an R&D project that requires state-of-the-art technology. With no special measures for the delay in payment, the KF-X project could be suspended," the lawmaker said, calling for government action.

Starting April 2016, Indonesia agreed to pay 1 percent of the program costs annually, with its contribution to rise above 2 percent from 2017 onwards. Overall, the Southeast Asian country is supposed to pay 1.6 trillion won ($1.33 billion) into the KF-X program.

In 2017, the Indonesian government should pay 184 billion won but it only paid 45.2 billion won out of 92 billion won due in the first half of the year.

Kim accused DAPA of having downplayed concerns over the delayed payment.

He pointed out that the Indonesian government had officially disclosed its difficulty in paying 138.9 billion won in late September after it failed to include the money in its budget finalized in August.

But DAPA denied this, saying it was in close coordination with the Indonesian government for the payment due by October.

DAPA said the issue will be on the agenda for a summit between leaders of South Korea and Indonesia. President Moon Jae-in is scheduled to start an eight-day official trip to Southeast Asia, Nov. 8.

Source: http://www.cetusnews.com/news/Indonesia-factor-may-postpone-KF-X-project-.B1gY7-DRZ.html

Hopefully, there will be a quick solution for this..

Perhaps this has something to do with it..

Asked for additional budget for the development of fighter aircraft, finance minister sri mulyani complained minister of defence

Finance Minister Sri Mulyani and Head of National Development Planning Agency (Bappenas) Bambang Brodjonegoro attended a meeting with Commission I of the House of Representatives (DPR).
They discussed the additional budget of the Ministry of Defense (Kemenhan) in RAPBN 2018.

Kemenhan specifically requested an additional Rp 1.8 trillion for multi-year payments in order to develop KF-X / IF-X fighter planes with South Korea. The problem was that Kemenhan did not budget funds in order to pay the plane's plural year obligations in APBN 2016 and 2017.

Sri Mulyani show her complain to the Ministry of Defense because of this problem. "This will be a problem for us in terms of money and the process," said Sri Mulyani during a meeting at the Parliament Building, Jakarta, Thursday (19/10). The meeting was also attended by the Commander of Indonesian National Army (TNI), General Gatot Nurmantyo, and Secretary General of the Ministry of Defense, Admiral Madya Widodo.

Actually, Kemenhan has budgeted the payment of obligations this year has been done since 2012. But in the last two years, is no longer budgeted. On the other hand the Ministry of Finance has not received the document of the multi-year payment agreement.

Previously, the budget ceiling of the TNI in the draft State Budget (RAPBN) 2018 increased from Rp 105.7 trillion. Currently Kemenhan proposed additional budget next year to Rp 107.5 trillion

Sri Mulyani explained that she hoped that Kemenhan could be disciplined in terms of budgeting and routinely convey his payment obligations for his plural year to the MoF, "So in checking the financial note, we can remind Kemenhan," Sri said.

While Bambang Brodjonegoro is reluctant to speculate too far why the plane's years obligations are not included in the two national budgets. He speculates that this maybe because the budget is included in the State Treasurer (BUN) and is considered to be government to government (G to G) financing so that it escapes regular funding.

"So maybe the Kemenhan forgot," said Bambang.

The meeting between House of Representatives me with Sri Mulyani, Bambang Brodjonegoro has not been completed until night. Commission I has not approved the additional budget. Chairman of Commission I Abdul Kharis Almasyhari and Sri Mulyani agreed that the discourse of Rp 1.8 trillion needs to be discussed separately between Kemenhan and Commission l

http://katadata.co.id/berita/2017/1..._comment_id=1703519406384994_1704483439621924

Hope the next meeting between both presidents will sort it out through.

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