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Daewoo Shipbuilding wins sub maintenance deal from Indonesia

Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering Co., a major shipyard in South Korea, said Thursday that it has clinched a 30 billion-won ($26.7 million) deal from Indonesia's Navy to provide maintenance and upgrade services for one of its submarines. Under the deal, Daewoo Shipbuilding will work with Indonesia's largest shipyard, PT. PAL, on the maintenance of a submarine operated by the Indonesia's Navy by 2020.

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20170831000665

 

[Su-35SM3 Flanker-N]

I don't think we need to add more subs for the moment...Those three CBGs are enough.
TNI-AL has serious weaknesses in terms of air defense. Even if Bung Karno and PKR have all been equipped with VL MICA, it is far from adequate. You don't need to use Harpoon or Kh-31P, just send in light attack aircraft with AGM-65 or helicopters with Sea Skua, our ships can't fire back.They will be massacred....

I don't understand why everyone including those higher ups is so preoccupied with subs. Since Taranto, Pearl Harbor and attack on Force Z, it is already clear that naval warfare is determined by air power. Even the weak Argentinian Air Force with very limited stockpile of Exocet managed to incur huge losses on Royal Navy.

 

[barjo]

Chang Bogo is not a big risk, the SoKor have produced 9 of them for their own navy. Even if Chang Bogo is not based on U209, let's say 100% korean design, they already have made a substantial unit of that sub. All flaws in that sub must have been fixed.

KFX/IFX is a risk, but still not a big risk because we co-develop it. We follow and are involved every development. Just like that we co-develop CN-235. Any flaws that might appear can be detected by us before production begins.

As for A26, we did not co-develop it. In order to get TOT of A26, we first have to buy it and be the launch customer. If there are at least 5 units of A26 already been used by any navy, then I support the purchase and TOT of A26.

But for now, I'm sticking with chang bogo or kilo.

remember collins class, we might consider that before doing something with SAAB

 

[barjo]

I don't think we need to add more subs for the moment...Those three CBGs are enough.
TNI-AL has serious weaknesses in terms of air defense. Even if Bung Karno and PKR have all been equipped with VL MICA, it is far from adequate. You don't need to use Harpoon or Kh-31P, just send in light attack aircraft with AGM-65 or helicopters with Sea Skua, our ships can't fire back.They will be massacred....

I don't understand why everyone including those higher ups is so preoccupied with subs. Since Taranto, Pearl Harbor and attack on Force Z, it is already clear that naval warfare is determined by air power. Even the weak Argentinian Air Force with very limited stockpile of Exocet managed to incur huge losses on Royal Navy.

kriegsmarine has different experience bro, they cut all anything afloat at atlantic, they play on small pown atlantik with many channel like us not big as pasific which sub will need port to supply, and dificullt with hunting, many botle neck at atlantik like brit channel or greenland pass, like us with malaka or any channel in java lombok and maluku, its good place for submarine to hunt their prey, archipelago its a heaven for sub, with swallow waters distrub the sonar, and channel is a botle neck easy to choke

 

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Russian Helicopters" Successfully Completed the Repair of Two Indonesian Mi-35P

31 Agustus 2017


Mi-35P of the Indonesian Army (photo : VPK)

MOSCOW (Itar-Tass) - RIA Novosti. Holding "Russian Helicopters" handed over two Indonesia combat helicopters Mi-35P after major repairs, told reporters on Wednesday the press service of the company.

The contract for the overhaul of these machines was signed in September 2016.

"Specialists from Indonesia visited the JSC "150 ARZ" holding company "Russian Helicopters" for the acceptance of two Mi-35P helicopters .The representatives of the Indonesian delegation inspected the flight tests, inspected the helicopters and signed the necessary documents," the report said.

The first combat helicopters Mi-35P to Indonesia were delivered in September 2003. As part of the intergovernmental agreement, in September 2007, Indonesia ordered three more Mi-35P helicopters that were delivered in September 2010. The official ceremony of their transfer to the Indonesian Army took place at Pondok Cabe Army Ground Base in Jakarta on October 20 of the same year.

The updated version differs from the standard Mi-35 by the presence of a bow moving cannon with a twin 23mm cannon, multifunctional indicators, including the pilot's windshield. In addition, the helicopter is equipped with a gyrostabilized optoelectronic system, a video registration system, modern communications and navigation complexes, and a digital autopilot.

The Mi-35P helicopter was built on the basis of the Mi-24P, the main period of its release fell on 1981-1989. In total, Mi-24P/Mi-35P helicopters were used by about 70 countries. Helicopters of this class continue to carry combat duty in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation abroad - in Syria, Tajikistan and Transnistria (Moldova).

(RIA Novosti)

 

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Indonesian Army establishes new strategic reserve command division
Ridzwan Rahmat - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
31 August 2017
The Indonesian Army’s (Tentara Nasional Indonesia – Angkatan Darat: TNI-AD’s) Strategic Reserve Command (KOSTRAD) is currently in the process of forming up a new rapid strike composite division consisting of 1,200 personnel.

The organisation, which has been named the ‘Cakra Battalion’, will be the KOSTRAD’s third operational division after Division I and Division II. It will be based in Lebak, Banten and will initially consist of one company each from the infantry, armoured cavalry, field artillery, army engineering, and army airborne formations.

Cakra Battalion will be headed by a colonel and reports directly to KOSTRAD Chief of Staff, Lieutenant General Edy Rahmayadi.

 

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[striver44]

I don't think we need to add more subs for the moment...Those three CBGs are enough.
TNI-AL has serious weaknesses in terms of air defense. Even if Bung Karno and PKR have all been equipped with VL MICA, it is far from adequate. You don't need to use Harpoon or Kh-31P, just send in light attack aircraft with AGM-65 or helicopters with Sea Skua, our ships can't fire back.They will be massacred....

I don't understand why everyone including those higher ups is so preoccupied with subs. Since Taranto, Pearl Harbor and attack on Force Z, it is already clear that naval warfare is determined by air power. Even the weak Argentinian Air Force with very limited stockpile of Exocet managed to incur huge losses on Royal Navy.

Submarines give us the largest chance to fight back when our surface fleet are outclassed and outnumbered by significantly larger foes.......they run silent, they dive deep and they strike hard......the enemy will find it more pleasant to destroy a large surface force than to seek submarines hiding deep underwater......it causes huge psychological problems to the enemy also (a single submarine attack on ARA general belgrano (cruiser) seal the fate of the argentinian navy for the rest of the war).....one more thing during the falklands conflict the argentianan submarine (ARA SAN LUIS, If im not mistaken)actually manage to perform an attack on the british fleet (HMS Brilliant and HMS Yarmouth )but failed to sink the targets because of technical problems with the gyro systems.......

 

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FROM INDONESIA
SYARAT KAPAL SELAM MASUK DALAM KATEGORI CANGGIH
31 AUGUST 2017 DIANEKO_LC 4 COMMENTS
Sebagai negara kepulauan, Indonesia seharusnya memiliki armada kapal selam. Namun, hingga saat ini hanya tiga unit saja yang bertugas mengawal perairan Indonesia, yakni KRI Cakra, Nenggala dan Nagapasa.

Nama terakhir merupakan kapal selam terbaru yang dibangun bersama antara Korea Selatan-Indonesia. Meski begitu, bagi sebuah negara besar seperti Indonesia, memiliki kapal selam adalah keharusan.

Akan tetapi, teknologi tempur bawah air ini sangatlah kompleks. Dikatakan demikian, karena harus memenuhi persyaratan sebagai kapal selam canggih namun aman bagi personel.

Menurut Kepala Pusat Teknologi Saab Kockhums, Roger Berg, ada sejumlah syarat mutlak bahwa kapal selam dikatakan canggih.

“Yang pasti mampu menghadapi tekanan dan menggunakan energi yang ramah lingkungan,” kata Berg kepada VIVA.co.id, Selasa, 29 Agustus 2017.

Cocok untuk Indonesia

Pertama, teknologinya harus anti-radar dan mampu menyerap suara (stealth and signature technology). Kedua, mampu menyelam lama di laut, baik itu mingguan hingga bulanan (long endurence) di samudera.

Ketiga, sistem komunikasi dan persenjataan yang terintegrasi (systems integration). Keempat, mampu menjalankan misi khusus seperti mata-mata (spying) dan pengawasan (surveillance) tanpa terdeteksi lawan.

Kelima, kapal selam harus aman, nyaman dan sehat (survivability). Hal ini mengingat seluruh awak/personel bekerja berbulan-bulan di dalam kapal selam, sehingga mampu bekerja optimal dalam menjalankan misi.

Pada kesempatan yang sama, Chief EngineerBadan Pengkajian dan Penerapan Teknologi, Mohamad Dahsyat, kapal selam A26 Kelas Gotland milik Swedia sangat cocok dipakai di Indonesia.

Ia berkata demikian, lantaran kapal selam buatan Saab AB itu memiliki teknologi Stirling, yakni menggunakan oksigen cair dan bahan bakar simpanan untuk menghasilkan energi di dalam air.

Teknologi ini membuat A26 mampu bergerak dalam air tanpa muncul ke permukaan hingga 18 hari. “Dari sisi teknologi sangat cocok, baik digunakan di laut dangkal maupun dalam,” kata Dahsyat.

Photo : A 26 (SAAB)

Sumber : Viva

 

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KRI Bima Suci, Vigo, 24 Agustus

 

[Star Bugs]

remember collins class, we might consider that before doing something with SAAB

That's true. And don't forget the Greek Navy were regretful being the launch customer of U214.

 

[Nike]

remember collins class, we might consider that before doing something with SAAB

Collin class is assembled in Australia, much like Canberra class and Hobart class, they all plagued with problems.

 

[kaka404]

remember collins class, we might consider that before doing something with SAAB

That's true. And don't forget the Greek Navy were regretful being the launch customer of U214.

Collin class is assembled in Australia, much like Canberra class and Hobart class, they all plagued with problems.

remember archer or soryuu?.... :p actually.. what are we playing here. sometimes things work sometimes it doesn't...
as madoka write once

Hope we stick with Nagapasa class to be built at PT PAL facilities and at the same time ordering foreign design to increasing our exposure towards new technologies

let stick to that one first while studying/researching/improving using design of others..
yes a26 doesn't exist yet.. but that doesn't mean ptpal shouldn't take that chance to work together with saab... if they think this cooperation will create a better result, then why not take it.