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whats your point? You just playing around with arguement, said from beginning that you want to say Gajah Mada is invidel or kaffeer? aint you, go away you need someone called phyciatris, you bark in wrong room, might be you will love Gaj Ahmad da more
do Indonesians consider gajah mada as hero or villain ?
your thread history say somethin that people like you easily identifiedHaha why sudden outburst i was just seeking some information about history , you need to calm down i have neither appreciation nor grudge with gajah mada,
I was playing a video game in which i played as gaja mada , he deceived 2 kings and kill prince and princess did suicide because of him and sent kingdom of Majapahit to chaos , so i was seeking information how do Indonesian people feel about him , i was surprised that people actually consider him as great ancestor , by bring in invidel and kaffeer debate you have already shown that you mind has been poisoned a lot .
Civilization V, right?Haha why sudden outburst i was just seeking some information about history , you need to calm down i have neither appreciation nor grudge with gajah mada,
I was playing a video game in which i played as gaja mada , he deceived 2 kings and kill prince and princess did suicide because of him and sent kingdom of Majapahit to chaos , so i was seeking information how do Indonesian people feel about him , i was surprised that people actually consider him as great ancestor , by bring in invidel and kaffeer debate you have already shown that you mind has been poisoned a lot .
http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se...ies-conclude-bilateral-mine-exercise-at-batamSingapore and Indonesia Navies conclude bilateral mine exercise at Batam
The exercise, which took place from Aug 22 to Aug 26, is the 17th in the series.
More than 300 personnel from the Republic of Singapore Navy (RSN) and the Indonesian Navy (TNI-AL) took part in this year's Joint Mining Exercise.
The exercise consisted of shore-based planning, simulation training and breakthrough operations.
The Navies made sure waters at the eastern entrance of the Singapore Strait were cleared of mines for the safe transit of international merchant shipping.
Also included in the exercise were live gunnery-firings and joint mine-countermeasure operations against nine simulated threats off the eastern coast of Bintan island.
The RSN participated in the exercise with two Bedok-class mine-countermeasure vessels - RSS Bedok and RSS Punggol - while the TNI-AL used two Pulau Rengat-classmine-countermeasure vessels - KRI Pulau Rengat and KRI Pulau Rupat - and a Kondor-class Minesweeper, KRI Pulau Rangsang.
The Navies conduct regular professional exchanges, exercises and visits.
They also collaborate through the bilateral socio-civic programme Indo-Sin Bhakti Sosial and the multilateral Malacca Straits Patrol.
The two countries are marking 50 years of diplomatic relations this year.
http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se...ies-conclude-bilateral-mine-exercise-at-batam
kri pulau rangsang... the oldest of the group
@StandForInsaf once again please keep in mind that his history is not as simple as you might have think... and from the look of your posts it might not even be what you know at all..
some event in his life is insufficiently studied for the lack of information of said timeline in history. the best example is the sunda vs majapahit event (i forgot the name). multiple side have multiple pov of what happen.
and as i've mention before, his effort to unite nusantara is what inspire others. his effort and sacrifice to unite nusantara is what drives the pre-independent national movement to seek unity..
this is simple explanation of 'Perang Bubat'Haha why sudden outburst i was just seeking some information about history , you need to calm down i have neither appreciation nor grudge with gajah mada,
I was playing a video game in which i played as gaja mada , he deceived 2 kings and kill prince and princess did suicide because of him and sent kingdom of Majapahit to chaos , so i was seeking information how do Indonesian people feel about him , i was surprised that people actually consider him as great ancestor , by bring in invidel and kaffeer debate you have already shown that you mind has been poisoned a lot .
ah yes perang bubat... all i remember was the "b..."this is simple explanation of 'Perang Bubat'
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The Battle of Bubat also known as Pasunda Bubat is the battle between the Sundanese royal family and Majapahitarmy that took place in Bubat square on the northern part of Trowulan (Majapahit capital city) in 1279 Saka or 1357 CE. The uneven battle and the demonstration of courage through fighting an impossible battle and facing a certain death is in some ways similar to the Battle of Thermopylae.
According to tradition, Dyah Pitaloka's death was mourned by Hayam Wuruk and the entire population of the Sunda kingdom who had lost most members of their royal family. Later king Hayam Wuruk married to Paduka Sori, his own cousin instead. Pitaloka's deed and her father's courage are revered as noble acts of honour, courage and dignity in Sundanese tradition. Her father, Prabu Maharaja Linggabuanawisesa was revered by the Sundanese as Prabu Wangi (Sundanese: king with pleasant fragrance) because of his heroic act to defend his honour against Majapahit. His descendants, the later kings of Sunda, were called Siliwangi (Sundanese: successor of Wangi).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bubat
yeah... nothing literature from paper and wood can preserve from tropical climate and specialty .......volcano, so we develop 'tutur' or oral history, its most difficult to prove or find a hard fact from the wetern method history studied, but we should admire how they preserve memory so long and passes down by song, pantun, etc. Its a technique that only several civilization masteredah yes perang bubat... all i remember was the "b..."
that event was very much under-studied...
so many pov on that subject..... some says that hayam wuruk was politically pressured to married her, some says it's his own will after seeing her picture... some argued that those from the sundanese kingdom also don't want this marriage and belief that this marriage was a diplomatic set-up.. some says that the entire war was due to a misunderstanding (because both side see one another stabbing each others back)..
some of the histories of past kingdoms in nusantara was swallowed by the earth literally. thats what happen if you build your kingdom next to a active volcanoes..
Civilization V, right?
or Age of Empire II : Rise of Rajas
Gajah Mada (Mid)
Haha why sudden outburst i was just seeking some information about history , you need to calm down i have neither appreciation nor grudge with gajah mada,
I was playing a video game in which i played as gaja mada , he deceived 2 kings and kill prince and princess did suicide because of him and sent kingdom of Majapahit to chaos , so i was seeking information how do Indonesian people feel about him , i was surprised that people actually consider him as great ancestor , by bring in invidel and kaffeer debate you have already shown that you mind has been poisoned a lot .
Ya rise of rajas it is. Gajah Mada is ultimate warrior but with evil methods.Civilization V, right?
or Age of Empire II : Rise of Rajas
Gajah Mada (Mid)
Poland Offer New Radar For Indonesia
Polandia Tawarkan Kerja Sama Industri Pertahanan
Kunjungan Kuasa Usaha Kedutaan Besar Polandia
Radar TRS-15C Polandia [M. Dura] ✬
Menteri Pertahanan Republik Indonesia Ryamizard Ryacudu menerima kunjungan kehormatan Charge d’Affaires (Kuasa Usaha) Kedutaan Besar Polandia untuk Indonesia Igor Kaczmarczyk, Selasa (25/8) di kantor Kementerian Pertahanan, Jakarta.
Kunjungan ini dimaksudkan untuk meningkatkan kerjasama kedua negara dalam bidang pertahanan khususnya industri pertahanan. “Tujuan kunjungan ini adalah untuk memperkuat kerjasama kedua negara dalam konteks pertahanan”, ungkap Kuasa Usaha Kedutaan Besar Polandia untuk Indonesia saat bertemu Menhan RI.
Lebih lanjut dikatakan Kuasa Usaha Kedutaan Besar Polandia bahwa hubungan kerja sama pertahanan Indonesia dan Polandia sudah terjalin sejak lama dan hingga kini berlangsung sangat erat. Diharapkan dimasa mendatang kerja sama tersebut terus meningkat khususnya di bidang kerja sama industri pertahanan.
Untuk itu, agar kerja sama kedua negara dapat berjalan secara konkrit dan operasional maka menurutnya kedua negara perlu membentuk working group atau kelompok kerja bersama guna membahas secara detail hal-hal kerjasama yang potensial dilakukan kedua negara.
Diantara potensi kerjasama industri pertahanan yang ada, Polandia menawarkan Indonesia untuk bekerjasama dalam pengembangan radar sistem dan kendaraan lapis baja ringan. “Industri pertahanan Polandia mampu membuat radar yang sanggat canggih, radar ini penting untuk mengamankan wiayah laut dan penting untuk sistem pertahanan udara”, jelasnya.
Dalam rangka menjajaki kerjasama tersebut, lebih lanjut Kuasa Usaha Kedutaan Besar Polandia untuk Indonesia mewakili Kemhan Polandia mengundang kepada Menhan RI atau perwakilan dari industri pertahanan Indonesia untuk dapat mengunjungi dan menyaksikan pameran industri pertahanan di Polandia yang akan diselenggarakan pada awal bulan September mendatang.
Menurutnya, moment tersebut sangat baik digunakan kedua negara menjajaki kerja sama industri pertahanan dalam rangka memperkuat komunikasi antara perusahaan industri pertahanan Polandia dengan industri pertahanan Indonesia seperti PT PAL, PT DI dan PT Pindad yang sebenarnya selama ini sudah dilaksanakan secara rutin. “Kunjungan tersebut nantinya diharapkan menjadi suatu dukungan politik untuk memperkuat kerja sama industri pertahanan antara kedua negara melalui joint venture”, jelasnya.
Sementara itu menanggapi hal tersebut, Menhan RI menyambut baik atas tawaran Polandia untuk memperkuat kerja sama di bidang pertahanan. Melalui kerjasama tersebut hubungan kerja sama pertahanan kedua negara sudah terjalin sangat baik dan diharapkan akan terus meningkat di masa mendatang. “Kerja sama di bidang industri pertahanan kedua negara sangat penting bagi peningkatan hubungan bilateral kedua negara”, ungkap Menhan RI. (BDI/SGY)
♞ Kemhan
Oh well that's quite a bit discovery .your thread history say somethin that people like you easily identified
Civilization V, right?
or Age of Empire II : Rise of Rajas
Gajah Mada (Mid)
this is simple explanation of 'Perang Bubat'
View attachment 420921
The Battle of Bubat also known as Pasunda Bubat is the battle between the Sundanese royal family and Majapahitarmy that took place in Bubat square on the northern part of Trowulan (Majapahit capital city) in 1279 Saka or 1357 CE. The uneven battle and the demonstration of courage through fighting an impossible battle and facing a certain death is in some ways similar to the Battle of Thermopylae.
According to tradition, Dyah Pitaloka's death was mourned by Hayam Wuruk and the entire population of the Sunda kingdom who had lost most members of their royal family. Later king Hayam Wuruk married to Paduka Sori, his own cousin instead. Pitaloka's deed and her father's courage are revered as noble acts of honour, courage and dignity in Sundanese tradition. Her father, Prabu Maharaja Linggabuanawisesa was revered by the Sundanese as Prabu Wangi (Sundanese: king with pleasant fragrance) because of his heroic act to defend his honour against Majapahit. His descendants, the later kings of Sunda, were called Siliwangi (Sundanese: successor of Wangi).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bubat
he did the conquest to NTT too, based on this movie.
So you have no appreciation, eh? Then What the hell are you even doing here?