Indonesia chooses Chinese railway system————NHK 9/29

[Dungeness]

Indonesia chooses Chinese railway system
Asia
Sep. 29, 2015 - Updated 01:38 UTC-7


Indonesia has conveyed to Japan it will adopt China's high-speed railway system over Japan's. Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga has expressed grave regret over the decision.

Japan and China have been in fierce competition to win the contract for a railway linking Indonesia's capital Jakarta and the city of Bandung, about 140 kilometers away.

On Tuesday, Suga met in Tokyo with the head of Indonesia's National Development Planning Board, Sofyan Djalil, who is visiting Japan as a special envoy for President Joko Widodo.

Sofyan explained that his government earlier this month rejected offers from both Japan and China due to their huge costs.
He said that China later made a new offer to build a railway system without any financial burden on Indonesia. He added the Indonesian government would like to welcome the Chinese proposal.

Suga replied it is regrettable that Japan's proposal was not chosen, because he is confident it was the most feasible one.

Suga noted Indonesia had promised equal opportunity in presenting offers. He said that Japan finds it hard to understand why that policy was suddenly overturned in China's favor.


Indonesia has conveyed to Japan it will adopt China's high-speed railway system over Japan's. Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga has expressed grave regret over the decision.

Japan and China have been in fierce competition to win the contract for a railway linking Indonesia's capital Jakarta and the city of Bandung, about 140 kilometers away.

On Tuesday, Suga met in Tokyo with the head of Indonesia's National Development Planning Board, Sofyan Djalil, who is visiting Japan as a special envoy for President Joko Widodo.

Sofyan explained that his government earlier this month rejected offers from both Japan and China due to their huge costs.
He said that China later made a new offer to build a railway system without any financial burden on Indonesia. He added the Indonesian government would like to welcome the Chinese proposal.

Suga replied it is regrettable that Japan's proposal was not chosen, because he is confident it was the most feasible one.

Suga noted Indonesia had promised equal opportunity in presenting offers. He said that Japan finds it hard to understand why that policy was suddenly overturned in China's favor.

Indonesia chooses Chinese railway system - News - NHK WORLD - English

 

[Sanchez]

No matter how China fights Japan Indonesia gets the best deal...It basically means that China will build the friendly rail system "free" and get the investment back a bit by bit...

 

[HongWu002]

That was the easy part...

Japan is unable to build their Olympic stadium on time. They exported HSR to Taiwan and it became economically unprofitable.

 

[cirr]

Birmingham and Beijing plan joint high speed rail research

29 Sep 2015



INTERNATIONAL: Plans for a joint international high speed railway research laboratory have been announced by the UK’s University of Birmingham and China’s Beijing Jiaotong University, which signed a research co-operation agreement on September 17.

The laboratory would be run jointly by the Birmingham Centre for Railway Research & Education and the State Key Lab of Rail Traffic Control & Safety, and is expected to form part of a wider UK-China high speed rail research platform bringing together experienced researchers from other institutions.

‘The UK has a long history of research into railway technologies’, said Hairong Dong, Professor in Railway System Control and Deputy Director of the International Office at BJTU. ‘China has achieved rapid development over the last decade in the areas of high speed rail and developed leading railway technology. The set-up of the joint high speed railway research centre will help to enhance the global leadership of the two countries in the area of high speed rail.’

The two universities have already undertaken academic exchanges through joint research projects funded by the two governments and the rail industry. A Sino-UK Higher Education Research Partnership for PhD studies supports the exchange of six researchers and six students working on technologies to improve capacity and reduce energy consumption on metros. In May, the University of Birmingham signed a research and education co-operation agreement with the rolling stock manufacturer CSR Sifang.

Birmingham and Beijing plan joint high speed rail research - Railway Gazette

 

[badguy2000]

CHinese one has better costperformance. period.

 

[Beast]

What happen to Indonesia troll who brag about low quality Chinese HSR and brag about how superior japanese HSR is? Are they insulting Indonesia government is also low quality?

 

[AndrewJin]

No matter China wins or not, good for us.
Even China loses, it means Japan will have to receive a very low-margin project, from which they cannot make money.
It will totally drag Japan's already shrinking economy down to a new low level.
China's strategy is clear, where Japan's team is, there is China's team.

A photographer takes pictures during the exhibition of China high-speed trains in Jakarta, Indonesia

 

[Aepsilons]

Congratulations to Indonesia!!!!

And to Team China, Great Job! This is healthy competition , where China and Japan compete for projects, the region benefits.

I say: A OK!!!!!!!!

What happen to Indonesia troll who brag about low quality Chinese HSR and brag about how superior japanese HSR is? Are they insulting Indonesia government is also low quality?

Oh him? He used to be pro Japan now he's anti Japan. Beats me.

 

[cnleio]

Congratulations to Indonesia!!!!

And to Team China, Great Job! This is healthy competition , where China and Japan compete for projects, the region benefits.

I say: A OK!!!!!!!!

China government provide more low-interest loans than Japan to Indonesia, even loan whole project building from China national banks ... such billions of loans for building indonesia high-speed railway system, only return after it running many years , a pyrrhic victory !

high-speed railway building in Indonesia has the risk, but China need the 1st step to export high-speed railway to developing nations, Indonesia is 1st one and 1st advertising effect for China high-speed railway system.

 

[Aepsilons]

China government provide more low-interest loans than Japan to Indonesia, even loan whole project building from China national banks ... such billions of loans for building indonesia high-speed railway system, only return after it running many years , a pyrrhic victory !

high-speed railway building in Indonesia has the risk, but China need the 1st step to export high-speed railway to developing nations, Indonesia is 1st one and 1st advertising effect for China high-speed railway system.

I suppose China had the better offer in this case, and that should be encouraged. We , as general observers, have to appreciate really how the two competiting contractors from Japan and China helped , in the end, the Indonesian side to benefit the best deal. You know what i mean? In the end Indonesia benefits, and also China and Japan develop a competitive culture.

While we should consider this victory on the Chinese HSR apparatus, we should also understand that Indonesia has also awarded Japan plenty of infrastructure projects which are not limited to but include high way constructions, port project, coal power plant projects, LNG projects, sewage clean up processes, education, as well as marketing and E-commerce production equipment. So we should consider Indonesia as a 'cake graph' , in that both China and Japan benefits from in competitive acquisition of contracts.

This is a win win situation for both Japan , China, and our Indonesian friends. More to come ! More to get !

 

[cnleio]

I suppose China had the better offer in this case, and that should be encouraged. We , as general observers, have to appreciate really how the two competiting contractors from Japan and China helped , in the end, the Indonesian side to benefit the best deal. You know what i mean? In the end Indonesia benefits, and also China and Japan develop a competitive culture.

While we should consider this victory on the Chinese HSR apparatus, we should also understand that Indonesia has also awarded Japan plenty of infrastructure projects which are not limited to but include high way constructions, port project, coal power plant projects, LNG projects, sewage clean up processes, education, as well as marketing and E-commerce production equipment. So we should consider Indonesia as a 'cake graph' , in that both China and Japan benefits from in competitive acquisition of contracts.

This is a win win situation for both Japan , China, and our Indonesian friends. More to come ! More to get !

Win-win relationships is good ... of course Indonesia get the best benefit, China get advertising effect for CRH export.

 

[Aepsilons]

Win-win relationships is good ... of course Indonesia get the best benefit, China get advertising effect for CRH export.

Indeed, i suppose what is lucrative about the Chinese HSR is the low interest long term loans. That's what it has going for it, and will definitely be a source of strength when selling this system abroad. Meta-analytically speaking, and through Kaizen, the Japanese side need to 'tweak' some areas that may not have been attractive to our Indonesian partners. This is no biggy since this is just one HSR project , Indonesia is a massive market and their HSR paradigm has just begun. There are many areas of the country. I suppose Japan even more incentive and pressure to "get in the game" with our very competitive Chinese peers.

This is a qualitative redesign issue, and just like what QA Engineers (industrial engineering) love to say:
"refine, modify, adjust, implement!" lol!

Let's keep up the great job, China and Japan ! Truly East Asia shines....

 

[ahtan_china]

Indeed, i suppose what is lucrative about the Chinese HSR is the low interest long term loans. That's what it has going for it, and will definitely be a source of strength when selling this system abroad. Meta-analytically speaking, and through Kaizen, the Japanese side need to 'tweak' some areas that may not have been attractive to our Indonesian partners. This is no biggy since this is just one HSR project , Indonesia is a massive market and their HSR paradigm has just begun. There are many areas of the country. I suppose Japan even more incentive and pressure to "get in the game" with our very competitive Chinese peers.

This is a qualitative redesign issue, and just like what QA Engineers (industrial engineering) love to say:
"refine, modify, adjust, implement!" lol!

Let's keep up the great job, China and Japan ! Truly East Asia shines....

It seems 大东亚共荣圈。Do you remember this?

 

[Aepsilons]

It seems 大东亚共荣圈。Do you remember this?

Well I think it's an economic model which focuses on peaceful and total development not war related, so there's no comparison to the GEACPS.

In fact I should say that there is already the ASEAN + 5 (Japan, South Korea, China, Australia, New Zealand) framework that is operating real time.

 

[Dungeness]

No matter China wins or not, good for us.
Even China loses, it means Japan will have to receive a very low-margin project, from which they cannot make money.
It will totally drag Japan's already shrinking economy down to a new low level.
China's strategy is clear, where Japan's team is, there is China's team.

A photographer takes pictures during the exhibition of China high-speed trains in Jakarta, Indonesia
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