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Indo-Pak 'Berlin Wall' must be brought down

"Pessimism is just one example of narrow-minded thinking"

Listen Mr. great historian your ability to match points to your argument shows how low, stuck up, and selfish you get, to get what you want. :no:

TALKING ABOUT BARABARI. HOW ABOUT SHEDDING SOME LIGHT ON YOUR BIGOTRY.

:rofl: are you talking about yourself?

isn't it true that whenever talking about anything in pakistan print media or electronic always tries to play the ISI card or the LeT card!

which form of indian media has ever said good things about pakistan or pakistanis??

if it is anything about pakistani cricket it has to do with match fixing( even shoaib's wedding was a part of match fixing)!!

you can't look at pakistan as equals then what talk do you want to have?

let me guess nothing to do with kashmir because it is part of india :blah:

the problem is indians are the one who are bigots! :coffee:
 
:rofl: are you talking about yourself?

isn't it true that whenever talking about anything in pakistan print media or electronic always tries to play the ISI card or the LeT card!

which form of indian media has ever said good things about pakistan or pakistanis??

if it is anything about pakistani cricket it has to do with match fixing( even shoaib's wedding was a part of match fixing)!!

you can't look at pakistan as equals then what talk do you want to have?

let me guess nothing to do with kashmir because it is part of india :blah:

the problem is indians are the one who are bigots! :coffee:

Wow, all i read in your postss is just what is printed in almost every thread. Good thinking MR. great Historian, and nice try with derailing this thread.

PS. as long as you are going to keep this discussions to :argh:me, me, me ,me. It ain't going anywhere, so continue on your:blah::blah::blah::blah:
 
I wish we have a 'Berlin Wall' in reality, lots of problems will automatically get solved.

:rofl: smart one!!! i guess alot of people won't pick this one up!!! this is one of those so called "subliminal" messages! :no:

but i guess india has built a barbed wire fence along the LoC just like israel did against Palestinians and yet no success! :hitwall:
 
yep lets make it one country and call it Islamic Republic of Pakistan with our constitution and laws to run the entire country.
 
There needs to be a big wall(wherever possible) to separate India Border from Pakistan(and possibly Bangladesh) .Land Mines needs to be Planted all over this Border so that Terrorists can Reach Hell Faster even before Confronting Indian Army :)

Fencing is Not Enough.A High Concrete Wall Will Work Miracles for India.This Can Ease Patrolling of Our Borders.India must take this as a priority.

How I Dream a Tectonic Movement Make 100s of Kms Gap Between India's West Border.We Can Sleep Well without Worry for Terrorist Infiltrating.
 
There needs to be a big wall(wherever possible) to separate India Border from Pakistan(and possibly Bangladesh) .Land Mines needs to be Planted all over this Border so that Terrorists can Reach Hell Faster even before Confronting Indian Army :)

Fencing is Not Enough.A High Concrete Wall Will Work Miracles for India.This Can Ease Patrolling of Our Borders.India must take this as a priority.

How I Dream a Tectonic Movement Make 100s of Kms Gap Between India's West Border.We Can Sleep Well without Worry for Terrorist Infiltrating.
In that case we may have to build longer range nuclear missles:toast_sign:
 
@ ice_man:blah::blah:
You should start indulging in these fantacies of your beloved boy Hamid.

“We will plant Pakistan’s flag on Delhi’s Red Fort”

Zaid Hamid has rock star status in Pakistan. He is fawned upon, venerated and even worshipped as the messiah who will lead Pakistan from the depths of hell. But music is not his forte. Wild and absurd conspiracy theories, real and imagined wrongs done to Pakistan and the Muslim world, and a rabid dislike nay hatred of all things Indian, American and Jewish are his calling cards.

His ultimate and stated goal: "To plant the flag of Pakistan on the Red Fort in Delhi" and to 'ensure that Pakistan inherits its rightful place at the helm of the Islamic world". Gems like these are strewn across the cyber world.

In TV studios, in public meetings, public blogs on the Web, and more recently in a series of lectures across Pakistan's universities titled "Wake Up Pakistan", quoting poet philosopher Allama Iqbal, Quaid-e-Azam Jinnah and Quranic texts, Hamid is one of a growing band of conspiracy theorists and demagogues in Pakistan. The list includes Farhat Hashmi, Aamir Liaqat, Ahmed Quraishi, Munawar Hussain, among others.

A leit motif of these band of 'broadcast jihadists' is a propensity to outsource the source of Pakistan's deep-set troubles and travails to a combination of Indian perfidy, American ambitions on Muslim lands (and oil), and Jewish designs in neutralising the 'only Muslim nuclear power in the world'. A deep-set feeling of victimhood and a strong desire to rollback and remedy the perceived 'historical wrongs' animate their discourse.

For them, 9/11 attack was a "Jewish conspiracy", 26/11 an "Indian drama" out to defame and defang Pakistan and its security establishment; a psycho war that the enemies have forged to paint Pakistan as 'Terrorism Central" with the ultimate aim of seizing its nuclear weapons and bring the "Islamic Republic" to its knees.

Sample this from Hamid: "(We are facing) persecution and threats at the hands of Zionist system, CIA, RAW, corrupt govt and political parties, terrorists of TTP, BLA and anti Pakistan separatists, sectarian religious extremists and secular liberal fascists!! We are honoured to have such galaxy of Kufr united against us. Alhamdulillah, we are hurting them and we shall live with dignity and die with honour and never betray Ummat-e-Rasul and Pakistan."

Or this from Ahmed Quraishi: "(Indians) forget that they people have by and large been the slaves of Pakistanis' ancestors who ruled the region for almost ten centuries, plus the almost two centuries that they spent under the British. Pakistan is a historical continuation and is no one's gift. But for the sake of argument, there would not be India today if not for the British, who made it possible by ending the reign of Muslim India, or Greater Pakistan. In contrast, Pakistan would still have existed, in some shape or form, as a continuation of a long history."

This is not to argue that conspiracy theorists and the rabid elements do not exist in other countries or societies. They undoubtedly do. The 'lunatic fringe' is no nation's or society's monopoly. But if they do exist, they do in the margins. But in Pakistan, it seems to have gone mainstream. Night in and night out, these evangelists are on TV spewing venom and their peculiar theories, to be lapped up by an increasingly receptive audience.

In fact, some of Pakistan's leading celebrities - Maria B (socialite and fashion designer) and Ali Azmat (lead vocalist of the iconic pop/rock band Junoon) have not only joined Hamid's "movement" but also are known to have underwritten his campaigns with funds. Even Imran Khan, the iconic cricketer but struggling politician, has not been immune to their charms of these conspiracy jihadists - appearing with them on TV shows and letting it be known that he was against the Pakistan army's actions in South Waziristan and instead advocating supping with the devil.

However, more disturbing is that other than the foreign elements, they have chosen to target 'democracy' as an ideal and as a system as one of the reasons for Pakistan's dithering on the verge of chaos. They are loath to make a demarcation between democracy as a tool and its practitioners.

Sample this from a prominent commentator: "Two Pakistani political parties, Mr Zardari's PPP and Mr Sharif's PML-N, both ironically created during the reigns of two different military rulers, are taking the nation for a ride in the name of democracy. Thanks to their non-performance in the past 19 months, Pakistan is staring at a huge national failure, from foreign policy to Gwadar. It is national decline... The worst part about our politicians is not their glaring ineptitude. It is the fact that their parties are so stifled there is no hope the ruling elite will expand its limited pool of talent to include a nation brimming with initiative and yearning for change".

A case of shooting the message as well as the messenger!

A 'pure' Islamic form of government, based on the Shariat, bolstered by the might of the 'magnificent' Pakistan army is touted as the panacea for all evils.

This is not to say that these conspiracy theorists have gone unchallenged. There is still enough courage and spirit in the Pakistan civil society and the media to take on these purveyors of hate and fear.

Human rights activist Asma Jehangir, columnists Ayaz Amir and Nadeem Paracha, among others, are increasingly and strenuously taking them on and pointing out the futility and absurdity of their so-called mission.

Writes Paracha, "TV personalities like Zaid Hamid and Aamir Liaquat, and politicians like Imran Khan and Munawar Hussan, are pegs of this new trend, mixing neo-traditionalist trappings of exhibitionistic piety, dress and claims with political discourses that may sound populist and radical, but in fact they are nothing more than the kind of reactionary and myopic mindset that sections of Pakistan's military establishment started being plagued with during the Afghan jihad under Zia and after. Today (Pakistani) society stands clearly polarised."

Pakistan and its society is once again at the crossroads!
?We will plant Pakistan?s flag on Delhi?s Red Fort? - 1 -  National News ? News ? MSN India
 
The Berlin Wall between indo-pak is not made of off brick & cement. The wall here is made of off "ego & hate".U can break the concrete wall with a hammer but how can u break a wall of hate & ego...the only way to break is to trust each other, but unfortunately it does not exist..:angel:
 
Instal satellite sensors on borders

Securing India’s perimeter from intrusions by terror elements is the thumb rule to keep citizens secure. The Centre’s own records show intrusions come down remarkably in sectors where land borders are fenced and lit- up. But there are gaping holes in our border that need plugging.

15,106 kms — is the length of the land border that India shares with six countries. Not even one- third of it, in fact just over 4,500 kms, is fenced till date. Less than half of the fenced border is flood- lit, making night intrusions a cakewalk in pitched darkness. India has opted not to fence its 1,800- km long border with Nepal and the 4,057 km border with China –— the contentious Line of Actual Control — lies unfenced too. Our borders with Bhutan and Myanmar also lie open exposing our north- eastern states. For India, plugging the border with Pakistan has clearly been the focal issue. India did fence and flood- lit 461 kms of Punjab’s border with Pakistan from 1988 to 1993. The 1,048 km Rajasthan- Pakistan border was fenced and flood- lit by 1999. “Due to this, terrorism and other anti- national acts from across the border have been checked,” says a latest Parliamentary Standing Committee report on Border Fencing.

But the challenges still remain on the contentious Line of Control in Jammu & Kashmir and the unfenced 93 km of Rann of Kutch in Gujarat. India caught 128 infiltrators from Pakistan in 2006 and as many in 2007. This year 123 Pakistani infiltrators have been caught till November and there were two instances of armed Pakistani men cutting the fence in the Jammu Sector.

“The infiltration in the Jammu region recently is worrisome as earlier intrusion was mostly from the LoC, despite the ceasefire since 2003,” says former BSF Deputy General, AK Mitra. It took ten years to fence the 186 km Jammu- Pakistan border, in which six BSF personnel died in heavy Pakistani shelling as our neighbour asserted that the boundary with J& K was disputed. A Parliamentary Panel now says the intruders were managing to enter India from this border now, taking advantage of the protective Bundh raised by BSF along the Jammu border to give security- cover to persons engaged in the fencing work earlier.

The Parliamentary Committee report submitted to Parliament this October further exposes how India cannot rest easy on the Pakistan Border. “Pakistan has constructed 97 Observation Towers and 162 barracks after declaration of ceasefire. India needed to upgrade its border surveillance,” the report said. It also stated that floodlight equipment on the Punjab- Pakistan border had become obsolete and cables damaged.

Infiltration and import of terrorism from Bangladesh remains another key security issue as the length of the Bangladesh border at 4,096 kms is even more than our borders with either Pakistan or China. Home Minister P Chidambaram conceded in Parliament that he was unhappy with the pace of the fencing work on the India- Bangladesh border. Hence, there is an urgent need to fence the Bangladesh- India border.

The figures justify this statement. In 2006, the number of infiltrators caught on the Indo- Bangladesh border was 5,130 which dropped to 4,206 in 2007 and this year 2,559 cases have been reported.

“We assume that as many people were caught, the same number could have succeeded in infiltrating into India. Fencing surely helps,” says Mitra.

Security experts say that hi- tech electronic surveillance system is the need of the hour. “Surveillance equipment like hand- held thermal imagers, battle field surveillance radars, and spotter scopes have been deployed on most borders to act as force multipliers,” says the Ministry of Home Affairs. But the real help could come from the Indian Space Research Organization, which can offer advanced satellite imagery that could detect infiltration on the sensitive Indo- Pak border.

India is the only country to have seven remote sensing satellites with high resolution imaging capability and satellitebased sensors should be positioned at the vital points along the border to keep a check on infiltration.

Courtesy: Mail Today

Also putting up a concret high will block visibility from ground.
 
nice one :lol:

get over the khand bharat mentality and Indians will not see such responses.

it is illusion of some people in pakistan that we Indian believe in "Akhand Bharat". This is not the reality. The RSS/BJP type of people are a minority and will always remain so.
 
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