Indigenization will be critical to Pakistan’s next-generation fighter ....

[wiseone2]

No need. Once China has mastered all the technology needed (which they are very close to doing so), we'll get it from them. And nothing can change that.

chinese have never transferred their frontline aircraft to PAF. This is not a knock on China or Pakistan. No country transfers cutting edge technology.

The J-10 is not in PAF inventory. Spare me all the news about China offering the J-10.
Neither is the J-20 going to be in PAF.

You have JF-17 which will never be inducted in the PLAAF.

No need. Once China has mastered all the technology needed (which they are very close to doing so), we'll get it from them. And nothing can change that.

given a choice no front line air force in the world is buying chinese made aircraft

 

[Imtiaz_Sarwar]

Slow and steady wins the race. We are gradually making progress with JF-17 and if we continue one day we will reach 5th generation aircraft.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Any info about this one, J 18

Their is no J-18 but just a rumors

the best thing Pak can hope for is if China is willing to TOT technologies associated with the J-31, but if turkey has already requested pak to Join the TFX project i say F__k the J-31, the TFX will be a way better and trustworthy investment.

But bro TFX will be too late for PAF, currently it is in initial phase of development mass production will started at-least 2028 to 2030, and don't forget India will have FFGA in 2023 to 2025 so so PAF will be at risk for 5 years, i think we should stick J-31 that our bet

chinese have never transferred their frontline aircraft to PAF. This is not a knock on China or Pakistan. No country transfers cutting edge technology.

The J-10 is not in PAF inventory. Spare me all the news about China offering the J-10.
Neither is the J-20 going to be in PAF.

You have JF-17 which will never be inducted in the PLAAF.

i would like to say that you are than why USA sold F-35 at-least 9 countries and your RAFALE is highly degraded as compare to french RAFALE EU sold their EF-2000 was highly degraded system sold to suaidi arabia what a fool you are your idea is too old, you have no logic

 

[wiseone2]

Their is no J-18 but just a rumors


But bro TFX will be too late for PAF, currently it is in initial phase of development mass production will started at-least 2028 to 2030, and don't forget India will have FFGA in 2023 to 2025 so so PAF will be at risk for 5 years, i think we should stick J-31 that our bet


i would like to say that you are than why USA sold F-35 at-least 9 countries and your RAFALE is highly degraded as compare to french RAFALE EU sold their EF-2000 was highly degraded system what a fool you are your idea is too old, you have no logic

Degraded rafale can run circles around page aircraft

 

[Ultima Thule]

Degraded rafale can run circles around page aircraft

i just stating a fact, and trying not to insult RAFALE deal for India RAFALE deal for India is more advance than initial french RAFALE

 

[GreenFalcon]

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

TECHNOLOGY
NEW STEALTH NANO-PAINT TURNS ANY AIRCRAFT INTO A RADAR-EVADING STEALTH PLANE
By Clay Dillow July 14, 2010

Stealth Paint
New Israeli nanotech paint purportedly turns any airplane or missile into a stealth aircraft.

Some innovations in flight are huge; for instance, this week we've already seen concepts for a flying car and caught wind of the first fully-autonomous helicopter flight.

But other aviation innovations are as simple as a fresh coat of paint. An Israeli nanotech company is claiming that it has created a special paint that makes planes, missiles, drones, and other aircraft invisible to radar.

The company, called Nanoflight, says it has completed an initial test run and found that missiles painted with its proprietary nano-paint are very difficult to detect with radar. The paint doesn't make aircraft disappear completely from radar instruments, but it is disruptive enough that it is very hard for equipment to register their signatures as incoming war craft.

Radar works by sending out electromagnetic waves and seeing what comes back. If those waves strike a solid object -- like an incoming aircraft -- these waves are scattered. But some of them return to the radar receiver, and a regular, repetitive returning of those waves produces a positive ID of an object. The nano-paint simply absorbs these waves and dissipates them as heat that scatters into the atmosphere. The radar might still pick up a few returning waves, but the signal is weak and irregular and generally wouldn't register as an incoming object.


It's not perfect, but it's cheaper than buying a stealth aircraft and could produce a cost-effective means for entire fleets to add a layer or stealth to their tactical portfolios. Nanoflight officials also claims there are civilian uses for the stuff, like protecting buildings from radiation caused by nearby high-energy power lines.

[Ynet News]

http://www.popsci.com/technology/ar...urns-any-aircraft-radar-evading-stealth-plane

 

[Tank131]

Well the best way forward would not be to ignore the notion of 5th gen otherwise you will deal with the exact issue that PAF has been dealing with for the last 20 years, that is a qualitative gap. When India is inducting 4++ and 5th gen fighters, PAF will be flying with F-16 and JF-17. The best thing would be to develop JF-17 towards a lightweight 4++ gen fighter in the vein of Gripen NG and then go for an off the shelf solution for 5th Gen in small-moderate numbers (This would be J-31 or TFX) even potentially joining these programs as a partner (Probably in the 60-70 airframes number maximum).

As for thinking beyond the 5th Gen, best bet would be focusing on advanced stealth UCAVs. With this you could have remotely piloted aircraft with better performance, range/fuel capacity and payload when you get rid of the systems and space meant for the pilot, capable of a2a, a2g, antiship operations. This may be something to collaborate on with China, Turkey and +/- Russia. It sounds like science fiction, but it would be the next logical step as far as "6th Gen" is concerned.

 

[wiseone2]

i just stating a fact, and trying not to insult RAFALE deal for India RAFALE deal for India is more advance than initial french RAFALE

you are right French Rafales are more advanced than Indian Rafales. I am sure there was a few things French will withhold from india

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Well the best way forward would not be to ignore the notion of 5th gen otherwise you will deal with the exact issue that PAF has been dealing with for the last 20 years, that is a qualitative gap. When India is inducting 4++ and 5th gen fighters, PAF will be flying with F-16 and JF-17. The best thing would be to develop JF-17 towards a lightweight 4++ gen fighter in the vein of Gripen NG and then go for an off the shelf solution for 5th Gen in small-moderate numbers (This would be J-31 or TFX) even potentially joining these programs as a partner (Probably in the 60-70 airframes number maximum).

As for thinking beyond the 5th Gen, best bet would be focusing on advanced stealth UCAVs. With this you could have remotely piloted aircraft with better performance, range/fuel capacity and payload when you get rid of the systems and space meant for the pilot, capable of a2a, a2g, antiship operations. This may be something to collaborate on with China, Turkey and +/- Russia. It sounds like science fiction, but it would be the next logical step as far as "6th Gen" is concerned.

I also think the PAF will just procure several next-gen fighter squadrons off-the-shelf. But unlike the F-16, I imagine would see some investment in building a domestic base for long-term support and upgrades (akin to the Mirages). We would not be able to produce new fighters (though maybe some parts via offsets), but we would be able to independently maintain, equip and upgrade our fleet. For now, I'd steer domestic R&D to subsystems (e.g. radar, ECM/EW, etc) and stuff such as seekers.

 

[Zain Malik]

If blk III is AESA then this will be the airframe otherwise blk 4 will be sure to be seemed like this one....

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

chinese have never transferred their frontline aircraft to PAF. This is not a knock on China or Pakistan. No country transfers cutting edge technology.

The J-10 is not in PAF inventory. Spare me all the news about China offering the J-10.
Neither is the J-20 going to be in PAF.

You have JF-17 which will never be inducted in the PLAAF.


given a choice no front line air force in the world is buying chinese made aircraft

Really??????..........

chinese have never transferred their frontline aircraft to PAF. This is not a knock on China or Pakistan. No country transfers cutting edge technology.

The J-10 is not in PAF inventory. Spare me all the news about China offering the J-10.
Neither is the J-20 going to be in PAF.

You have JF-17 which will never be inducted in the PLAAF.


given a choice no front line air force in the world is buying chinese made aircraft

First time for everything. The Chinese already transferred their frontline technology of another field to Pakistan, I'm sure they'll do it with their fighter jets soon enough. They do after all want to protect their investment and strategic interests in Pakistan.

 

[wiseone2]

Really??????..........

First time for everything. The Chinese already transferred their frontline technology of another field to Pakistan, I'm sure they'll do it with their fighter jets soon enough. They do after all want to protect their investment and strategic interests in Pakistan.

I am still waiting for PAF to induct J-10s or J-20s. I am waiting for PLAAF to induct JF-17s. The PLAAF operates several hundred J-7s which could be replaced by JF-17s

 

[Ultima Thule]

I am still waiting for PAF to induct J-10s or J-20s. I am waiting for PLAAF to induct JF-17s. The PLAAF operates several hundred J-7s which could be replaced by JF-17s

sir both JF-17 and J-10 have a almost same capability difference is that JF-17 is a light weight whereas J-10 is a medium weight fighter, that why both air forces don't buys opposite jet, J-10 is replacing several hundred J-7 not JF-17 and as for J-20 it is ban for export just like F-22

 

[wiseone2]

sir both JF-17 and J-10 have a almost same capability difference is that JF-17 is a light weight whereas J-10 is a medium weight fighter, that why both air forces don't buys opposite jet, J-10 is replacing several hundred J-7 not JF-17 and as for J-20 it is ban for export just like F-22

how can they have the same capability when one is light weight and the other is medium weight ?